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basil cole, and former new jersey general, -- warning for israel, american officials demand more protections for civilians. the idf continues its bombardment of gaza. we'll discuss what could be a turning point in the u.s. israeli relationship with former deputy national security adviser, ben rhodes. boiling point, vice president harris visited other global leaders gather to dubai for the start of the united nations climate change conference aimed at saving the planet. former epa administrator, gina mccarthy, live from dubai, will tell us if their efforts are too little, too late. and, this lol from snl. >> so i'm no longer congressman santos. i'm just a regular old, professor, major, general, reverend, astronauts santos. protector of the realm. princess of jim ovia. >> your highness. i'm jonathan capehart, this is the sunday show. >> to give you a sense of congress today and what it represents for the american people, and represents chaos. chaos. >> while those are true words expelled's and disgrace george santos is not going quietly into the night. the self proclaimed it girl, yeah, he used those words. became the six member of ngress in his 234 year history to be expelled by hi peers. that not surprising given that he was elected under false pretenses. he is currently facing 23 federal counts, including wire fraud, money laundering, and is the subject of a damning ethics report that accused him of stealing from his own campaign. nonetheless, republican leadership stood by their man as 311 members of congress, including more than 100 republicans, voted to send tampa came. no sooner had the locks been changed in his office door, santos went on a tweeting rampage, vowing to file ethics complaints with the office of congressional ethics against four of his former colleagues. colleague one out, quote, dirty, dishonourable swamp master. queen, please. joining me, now california congressman, robert garcia. he's also the president of the house freshman class and oversight committees. congressman. your reaction to the news that santos says he's going to file ethics complaint against those new york members of congress. >> look, i think georgia has much bigger problems than worrying about filing attics complaints. he has been expelled, but he is got major, serious issues ahead of him as a relaced of the federal counts, he should be focused on that. you know, stop focusing on spending other peoples money to get a fair game, oh and onlyfans, and by botox. those days are over. he made a joke of this whole process. i'm glad that he was expelled. the house actually, i'm proud of the house for doing the right thing. >> does he even have a lake to stand on to file an ethics complaint? he is no longer a member of congress. >> no, absolutely not. he, first of, all he left congress as he came. and basically he made this whole thing a joke. no one takes him seriously. he lied, cheated, stole his way through an election. he was elected as a complete fabrication and ally. he lied to the american public. he is facing very serious federal counts. the house finally did a bipartisan thing by coming together and expelling him. it is a rare moment, i, think of bipartisanship, but we came together and at the right thing. >> let's be clear about something, he stole from campaign donors, including a donor who was a member of congress. this guy, i, mean he puts the capital g angle. i'm going to switch gears and talk about the committee that you sit on, and that is the house oversight committee. sheriff james comer is using this to hunt for damaging dirt on the president, son hunter biden. like those treasure hunters use those pitiful wants to find whatever it is they're looking for on the beach. why did comer rejects hunter biden's offer to testify publicly before the committee, to answer all the questions they say they want answered. republicans, i mean. >> look, james comer has been a ridiculous and ineffective chair of the committee. the reason why he doesn't want hunter biden to actually go public is because he has no evidence. there's been zero evidence against the president from day one. every single witness that james comer is trying to bring before the committee has either fled the country, been a spy, hasn't showed up, has lied, or been discredited. there's actually zero evidence of any business deals with the president. james comer knows that. he wants to impeach the president for no reason whatsoever. so if hunter biden calls his bluff, he says, absolutely, i will testify. i will do it in public. now james comer refuses to do so. it's a sad day for the committee. james comer, honestly, is an embarrassment to our committee. but hunter biden should come in and adjustable and publicly. >> despite everything you just said, speaker johnson made it clear later in the week that, yeah, i think there are votes to officially start an impeachment inquiry against the presidents. what evidence, what evidence will republicans be voting on two base an affirmative vote to allow such a sham and a farce to proceed? >> there is no evidence. we've made that clear over and over. all the evidence that the republicans brought forward are essentially just woody giuliani conspiracy theories. this is a tinfoil hot committee of just a bunch of conspiracy theories with zero evidence. this is all about electing donald trump. they are obsessed with reelecting the earth or terry and leader of their party, who's going to be the nominee. they want to essentially damage the president's reelection challenges. we're not going to let them do. that we're going to call them, i'll continue to call out donald trump for all the lies he's cause. >> congressman, thank you very. much i want to bring in vases michael junior, democratic strategist and director of the public policy program at hunter college, former new jersey governor, christine todd whitman. thank you both very much for coming to the sunday show. governor, let me start with. you republicans are in disarray. is it ousting george santos with his many faults just low hanging fruit? >> no, i mean, it was pretty obvious he had to go. everything he said in his campaign prove to be false, or 99% of it. so he misled the voters. they didn't know what they were getting, and then he's behaved in a way that, well, it's hard to say anything is unbecoming of the congress these days because you have so many who act in really strange ways, but i think it was good that the republicans came together. republicans and the democrats came together and said enough is enough. they threw him out. >> basil, great, they got rid of george santos, can they do the budget next? do we view this as, you know, things are getting back to normal? or is it, they had to get rid of him because otherwise his chaos is a distraction from all the other chaos? >> both can be true, although i don't think the first one, is they don't know if we'll get back to normal. i think that there is a normal every, day but at least the if you're republican, you can say lucky or this destruction or move on to another way to stretch in america from things that are going on in this country. for democrats and republicans that want to see a deal on this budget get done, i think it's more, it's obviously important for both parties to do, this but republicans, why do you want to stretch this out until the primaries early next year? you've got iowa right before this deal could be expired, and you've got the new hampshire a few days after that. why drug out this conversation to hurt your own nominee, your own candidates? i don't understand, but there are a lot of other candidates i don't understand, they are strategically, it does not make sense. this is a good opportunity for there to be some democratic representation on long island now the sentence is gone. >> governor whitman, i'm wondering, given everything that we were just talking about swift congressman garcia, about the impending impeachment inquiry vote, i'm wondering, what do you make of speaker mike johnson saying that the votes are there? is this something that the house of representatives should be doing? do you, have you seen any evidence that what substantiate a formal impeachment inquiry of president biden? >> well, i certainly haven't seen anything, today but you know what, we have to live wars going on. we have four enemy countries with nuclear weapons company was happening in this country. we're heading towards a budget crisis. there are a lot of things that need to be worked on that are serious issues for the american people. i mean, we have homelessness, climate change, we have all sorts of things going on, and that's where congress should be focusing its intention, not something like this impeachment, which as we, know is going to drag on forever. there is been no credible evidence brought to the committee or the chairman. even the chairman is desperate to find anything, because all the witnesses that he thought were going to be the ones that were going, 20, this is a smoking, gun they're going to tell us everything, there was nobody there. his own, people the people he call, they didn't have any substantive evidence to say that this was worthy of this kind of consideration of an impeachment. it's a waste of the public's time, and doing damage to us as we hurdle forward through all these crises that we have that are been ignored. in favor of the political power grabs that are still going on. >> let me stick with you, governor whitmer, because you bring up an absolutely right, true, excellent point. all of the problems that you listed or things that washington should be working. on congress should be working on. and yet, the republican majority just seems hell-bent on not addressing them. i'm wondering, do you think, because they come from safe districts where a lot of their constituents send them to washington to burn the place down, that is actually what their end goal is? >> i think they're real end goal is staying in power, and that's what it's about. it's not about any policy, anything, it's about stain power, and part of that means, as a republican, in a red district, you've got to be really concerned about the far-right. that's the only way you're going to lose your seat. i mean 98% return right to congresswoman, congresses approval rating is around 25%, is that high. i mean, it speaks to the fact that we need real, fundamental change in our process, that's why the forward party which i'm co-chair with, is striving to give people back a voice, particularly in those districts where you don't have a choice. 70% of elected offices across the country, there are 5000 of them, 70% are single choices. the voters don't have a choice, there's only one candidate running, that's wrong. >> i see you're nodding in agreement, i'm going to give you a chance to respond, and in the closeout -- >> i think that's absolutely right, this incumbency, write the 98%, it's the disincentive in many cases to work across the aisle. this is disincentive to be showing leadership on some issues, but that's not true for everyone. congressman, you, know has identified this job, you have leaders that do really good work, become these policy political entrepreneurs that take a lot on the shoulders to push to good policy. but, as we said, before you have charlatans like george santos that are avatars parole that's wrong in congress. >> congressman, you're the only one on the show right now that actually goes to that building to work almost every day. y'all are out of session, allot am i right in thinking that the republican majority that's there today, republicans who aren't like the republicans i remember from the time when governor whitman was in office, are they there specifically, not only to hold power, but to wreck washington, to burn it down, metaphorically? >> that's exactly why they're there, the republican party, this party is the party of matt gaetz, lower boebert, and george santos. those of the folks that have been empowered by their leadership to drive the republican, and the far-right, maga agenda. maga extremists are who control washington d.c. the house of representatives right now. they have no interest in real governing, their interest and destroying social security, destroy medicare. now they want to go back to destroy obamacare, once again. they want to destroy or institutions, they have no interest in governing, and no interest in actually supporting the american people. this whole debate about the budget which is so important, there are real lives at stake. we're talking about millions of people that depend on the federal paycheck, dependent benefits for their families, depend on services for the federal government's. all that mike johnson the speaker, and his cast of clowns, characters want to do, is destroy the government, and reelect on to trump's president. that's what's gotta start. >> congressman garcia as always, thank you so much for coming to the sunday show. >> thank you. >> up next, new jersey governor, christine todd whitman, they'll stick around for our next conversation about the bigger issue here. that is the threat trump poses to democracy, and the key republican ringing the alarm bell. this, and much, mark coming up on the sunday show. this, and much, mark coming p on the sunday show on the sunday show >>my car insurance and i saved hundreds. with the money i saved, i started a dog walking business. oh. 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>> yes, it does, absolutely. we know trump supports, first of, all let me just, say i don't think there is a republican party, there is a cult around donald trump. they didn't adopt a platform in 2020, which meant that they didn't set out what they stood for, it was whatever donald trump tells us we should stand for today, that's what we'll stand for. it's not a party as we have known it's. that is, believe what he says. he says what he's going to do, believe him. he will terror down the very guardrails of our democracy, the things, the rule of, law the respect for the constitution. i, mean that's going to go with, him because he said he's going to do. it no one should question that. he means what he says. >> he means what he, says and i've made it a point to tell people, you know, he's telling us exactly what he will do if he's reelected in 2024, so given that, given the warnings from the likes of kagan, and liz cheney, if the election were held today, it would be a nail-biter. the question, is why? >> my over are keen answer to that one is that the country is not where we thought it was. right? there are a lot of people who felt, you, know even with some skepticism, that we were not, that we were in this post racial america after barack obama got elected, clearly not the, case clearly with his election when it was backlash, and the fact, is a lot of us expected the backlash to come, because anytime this progress, particularly people, color african americans, substantial backlash. we saw come in. if you remember 2016, donald trump was on those stages, going after reporters, calling them out by name, something we have not really seen before. we had seen the sort of elemental nihilism coming from donald trump way back when. when you put all that together now, it's a nail-biter because there are still people who believe in his ability to drain the swamp and connect ethnic nationalism with economic nationalism. the problem with that among so many problems was that, as liz cheney, said slow walking us to democracy. dictatorships,. ari dictatorship. on the democratic side, the challenge that people have is that even though joe biden is seen as the bi

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