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tonight on "the reidout" -- >> he was actually willing to do whatever it took to stay in power. and i think although i certainly regret my support for him, there's no question now that anyone could say we don't know what he'll do. you know, maybe we can trust he'll uphold the constitution. every day, he tells us what he'll do. >> liz cheney speaks of her regret for supporting trump for years. and warned about the consequences if trump returns to the white house. and there is a very interesting new filing from special counsel jack smith regarding trump's long history of lying about election fraud going all the way back to 2012. also tonight, one of trump's georgia codefendants, remember, the one who used to work for kanye, may have jeopardized her bond by appearing to threaten witness ruby freeman on instagram. but we begin tonight with making the case against donald trump. as more and more warnings about the dangers of a second trump presidency pile up, a new legal filing today in jack smith's election subversion case shows prosecutors hope to present a more sweeping range of evidence of trump's lies about election fraud than previously thought. in this new filing, federal prosecutors say the government will offer evidence reflecting the defendant's historical record of making such claims, for example, as early as november 2012. the defendant issued a public tweet making baseless claims that voting machines had switched votes from then candidate romney to then candidate obama. during the 2016 presidential campaign, the defendant claims repeatedly with no basis that there was widespread voter fraud, including through public statements and tweets. the defendant's false claims about the 2012 and 2016 elections are admissible, the office of jack smith says, because they demonstrate the defendant's common plan of falsely blaming fraud for election results he does not like. as well as his motive, intent, and plan to obstruct the certification of the 2020 election results and illegitimately retain power. the new filing also shows that prosecutors intend to tie trump to the violence on january 6th more deliberately than in the government's august indictment against trump. writing that evidence of the defendant's post conspiracy embrace of particularly violent and notorious rioters is admissible to establish the defendant's motive and intent on january 6th, that he sent supporters including groups like the proud boys, whom he knew were angry, and whom he now calls patriots, to the capitol to achieve the criminal objective of obstructing the congressional certification. the nine-page filing argues allowing certain evidence predating his alleged crime is relevant to illustrate motive and intent, and it comes as one of trump's congressional investigators turned chief critic in the republican party continues to sound the alarm about a potential second trump dictatorship. >> the challenge that we're facing now is clearly understanding and recognizing he means what he says. the people who invaded the capitol frankly on january 6th, you know, you can look at scores of those defendants who said we came because he told us to come. he told us to do this. he knows people will follow his instructions. and if he's elected again, those guardrails, those individuals, for example, who stopped him, won't be there. and think about what it means to have a president who won't enforce the rulings of the courts. >> it's insane. >> it will be the unraveling of our constitutional system. >> liz cheney told my friend and colleague nicolle wallace she would do whatever it takes to defeat donald trump but she's also not ruling out running for president herself. she told "the washington post" she's weighing a potential third party run, saying we face threats that could be existential to the united states, and we need a candidate who is going to be able to deal with and address and confront all of those challenges. according to cheney, a major threat is the trump enablers who control the house, including house speaker mike johnson, and the possibility that he and the rest of the maga loyalists in the house would try to subvert election results in january 2025 if trump is in fact the republican nominee. in the meantime, house republicans are doing their part to subvert the election in real time, moving forward with a vote to formalize an impeachment inquiry into president biden, still with no evidence. the house is expected to vote next week before leaving town for the holiday recess. over the weekend, house oversight chairman james comer expressed confidence that's what's left of the house republican moderates, whatever that means at this point, will get on board with a vote this time because of angry constituents at walmart over the thanksgiving holiday. he also continues to roll out increasingly mind-melting justifications for their evidence for impeachment, including what he called new evidence, claiming hunter biden was funneling money to his father, which friend of the show david corn pointed out was actually reported months ago and doesn't look anything like an impeachable offense. >> that's bull crap. look, if he wanted to send his money to his son for a truck, then send him money for his truck. but he got paid back from china. so it doesn't matter whether all this money we're showing going into joe biden's back pocket was aa loan or not, you can loan people money. if they pay you back, you benefitted directly. >> meanwhile, one donald trump superfan republican sycophant in the house, texas congressman troy nehls who you would be forgiven for not remembering led a push to nominate donald trump as house speaker, troy nehls went ahead and said the quiet part out loud about the real reason for the republican push for impeachment. he told usa today if trump is in fact the republican nominee, he wants to give trump, quote, a little bit of ammo to fire back and say that biden has also been impeached. joining me now is republican former congressman charlie dent of pennsylvania, and christina greer, associate professor of political science at fordham university and a public scholars fellow at the city college of new york. thank you both for being here. charlie dent, i do want to start with you. let's go back. i want to go back to this filing. it's very short. everyone should take a chance to read it. in it, what jack smith is laying out is that donald trump didn't just start being an election denier when he lost. he started back in 2012 when mitt romney lost. i want to play a little bit of donald trump in 2016, four years after that, and in 2020, doing what jack smith says he did, which is continuing to say he will only accept election results that favor him. >> win, lose, or draw in this election, will you commit here today for a peaceful transferral of power after the election? there has been rioting in louisville, rioting in many cities across this country, red and your so called red and blue states. will you commit to making sure there is a peaceful transferral of power after the election? >> we're going to have to see what happens. i have been complaining very strongly about the ballots and the ballots are a disaster. >> i want to ask you here on the stage tonight, do you make the same commitment that you will absolutely -- sir, that you will absolutely accept the result of this election? >> i will look at it at the time. >> this seems relevant because there is a trend that donald trump does not accept elections that don't go the way he wants them to. >> that's true. he may be the first candidate in american history to claim voter fraud when he won. so there's that point. but yeah, this filing by jack smith just rehashes all the greatest hits. refusal to commit to a peaceful transfer of power, falsely claiming fraud where there really wasn't any of any significance. so we have heard many times before, telling the proud boys to stand back and stand down, how he more or less instigated them and basically supported them in their attack on the capitol. i think this re-enforced jack smith's case. i wouldn't want to be donald trump and his lawyers now because it's a powerful argument. >> yis tina, the kind of does show you what bonds donald trump to his base. the reason that donald trump claimed fraud in 2016 is that he lost the popular vote. so he said, that couldn't have happened. there had to have been 3 million illegal aliens voting in california because there is an -- there is a disgruntalment among certain people in this country that demographically it's very difficult for republicans to win the national popular vote because the demographics don't work out for them that way and they're mad about it. >> right. this is why they love the electoral college still. but i think no one was more surprised that donald trump won than donald trump. that's why he was adamant during the debates that he would not necessarily support the rule of law during the 2016 election. and then when it actually did go his way through the electoral college, he oh, okay, as charlie said, on the one hand he's saying there's widespread election fraud, but he's also benefitting from it. this is persistent, consistent donald trump, the hero and victim of his own story, and sadly, we have far too many republicans, liz cheney, who went along and continue to still go along with too many of his antics and we're getting dangerously close to a november 2024 deadline where donald trump realistically could be the republican nominee, and win another term in the presidency, which bodes horribly for our democrat, republic, joy. >> charlie dent, what do you make of the fact liz cheney says he will do anything in her power to stop donald trump from winning, but she won't say she'll vote for joe biden. she's contemplating running herself. she's hedging on what she'll do to stop him. >> i think one of the challenges house republicans faced over the years, i was one of the few, i did not support donald trump in 2016, i voted for joe biden in 2020. i found too many of my former colleagues felt as i did but didn't want to say it publicly. they would rather stand behind closed doors and complain to each other. i'm glad liz is where she is. she has been very brave and heroic. it would be useful if she did try to run. if it's a binary choice, trump/biden, i would choose biden. it may not be a binary choice, and there are a lot of republicans who would like to vote for someone we're comfortable with. i understand the arguments against, but no labels is helping to develop a ballot access strategy that would allow an independent candidate to run. >> let me ask you this question. liz cheney said it in her interview with nicolle wallace. she said i supported the policies. whenever i hear someone say that, i would like to know what policies? which policies do republicans say they would vote for him to continue? >> other than the tax reform, i'm not sure. because i have often said, i did not support trump, i did not support a lot of his policies. i did not support his view on nato, i did not support his protectionist trade views. a long list of things he did that were really annoying to me as a matter of republican litmus test on trade, for example, and people just went along with this naked protectionism, subsidies for agriculture, all sorts of things he had endorsed that i thought were wrong-headed and flew in the face of republican principles. just his whole turning back on the international order that republican presidents, ronald reagan most notably, defended fiercely, and trump was just in the wrong place. >> it is interesting, i would love for somebody to tell me what policies they meant. then there's the authoritarianism. let's play a little bit of that. >> i am your warrior. i am your justice. and for those who have been wronged and betrayed, i am your retribution. >> we pledge to you that we will root out the communists, marxists, fascists and radical left thugs that live by vermin in the confines of our country. >> nobody has ever seen anything like we're wincing now. it's a sad thing for our country. it's poisoning the blood of our country. >> very simply, if you rob a store, you can fully expect to be shot as you are leaving that store. shot. >> i mean, christina, this is, you know, poisoning the blood stuff sounds like nazi talk to me, and on top of that, he's nursing these conspiracy theories that somehow the federal government really did january 6th. they're cheering on january 6th. what is he talking about? why as a political scientist, is that such a powerful argument for people or at least not an argument to vote against someone? >> yeah, joy. well, there are a few things going on here. one, we really never have seen a candidate like donald trump, someone who attacks his own party. he's just -- he is unlike other candidates in a lot of ways. two, we know that so many people in this country are ahistoric. the use of vermin when you're talking about in the blood, these are things that some of us who study history remember from the 1930s and '40s, and it's clear as day to us, but not to others. and then this third piece, joy, that's really troubling, is that when you think about white evangelicals, they actually do see donald trump as essentially their savior, and so when he starts using this religious type language that is kind of fire-and-brimstone, that's quite popular with republican primary voters. in the past, we have always seen voters go to the polls based on pocketbook issues. financially, how do you feel? charlie mentioned tax breaks. many democrats love those tax breaks as well. but we know that didn't trickle down to the vast majority of republicans who are his die-hard supporter. in many ways it's just white supremacy that is feeding this. lyndon baines johnson told us all about it when he talked about the white man's pockets as long as you can help them think they're better than the negro. donald trump has tapped into all of these things simultaneously, to say nothing, he's been in people's living rooms for about 25, 30 years as this successful person, which we all know he hasn't been. it's a perfect storm when also you have a feckless republican party who will say behind closed doors we don't like this, but won't stand up to donald trump when it matters. >> what do you make of the fact they're admitting on the republican side and trump is admitting the only reason they want to impeach biden is to make it even steven. >> they haven't done a good job making the impeachment argument. they made a good argument to impeach hunter biden but he's not a federal official. this is their problem. they were starting to move down that track, and then the speaker got removed from office, and they lost their momentum. so i think they want to have this arrow in their quiver. i'm not sure it helps so much. it might help biden a little bit. >> thank you very much. charlie and 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me for help. there's a woman sitting somewhere who knows that i'm going to [ bleep ] her whole life up when this is done. >> joining me now is katie phang, host of the katie phang show on msnbc. i think we're both smh'ing. this was her mugshot. the other thing she said in this live is that she practiced this, that this was purposeful. >> for two hours. >> she wanted to look like this. yeah. i'm just going to let you talk, katie, because i'm not a lawyer, but i know that was dumb to do an instagram live and basically threaten the witness maybe again. go ahead, talk. >> so when i was a prosecutor, i used to tell juries, i can't promise to give you a smart defendant, but i'm giving you a defendant. and that's trevian kutti. she's not a smart defendant. none of them can be smart if they drank the trump coolaid and helped a conspiracy to do what they did. but trevian kutti, you mentioned it in the setup, the one possible out she may have is that she didn't actually refer to ruby freeman by 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