fight ahead. another hour of "velshi" starts now. good morning. there have been many attempts to hold donald trump accountable for his actions over the years. he has been criminally indicted multiple times since leaving the white house in just the e past couple of years he has been found liable for sexually abusing and prodding writer e. jean carroll. now, he is the first former american president to be convicted of a felony. he will be sentenced on july 11th, just two weeks after his first presidential debate against joe biden and one week before the gop officially makes him its presidential nominee at the republican national convention in milwaukee. and his sentencing, he faces the possibility of being penalized with a fine, probation, or prison time. but none of the efforts to hold trump accountable so far have succeeded in humbling the present or changing his behavior or curbing his attacks on the rule of law. he is the same polarizing and boorish politician we have always known him to be and that has been on stark displacement the jury delivered its verdict in the first criminal trial. yesterday, he invited the media to the gilded atrium of trump tower where he delivered a long and rambling rant attacking the justice system that included some of his trademark sena phobic and anti-immigrant talking points. it was reminiscent of the very beginning of his political career but he wants his first presidential bid nine years ago this month from the lobby of m trump tower. trump had many republican critics back then but those critics have largely been silenced or pushed out by the ed gop or they have surrendered to his takeover of their party. that is perhaps the most significant factor to explain my efforts to hold the former president accountable have fallen short despite the r fact he continues to break every norm in american politics, and m it is happening again to a en terrifying degree as many republicans rally behind their impeached, indicted, presumptive republican nominee. trump's allies began rewriting the history and facts of the case, as well as pre-writing the outcome of an appeal that has not even been filed yet. florida senator marco rubio whor was once a prominent trump critic but now hopes to be his running mate despairs the case has, quote, a political show s, trial conducted by an openly pro-biden judge whose daughter makes money off the case. end quote. those are baseless allegations that have been spreading among the right but there is no evidence to suggest there was anything improper about this case. then on the other mphand, speak mike johnson, the top republican in congress, is already saying that president trump will rightfully appeal this absurd verdict and he will win. end quote. meanwhile, jim jordan, a close trump ally and a chairman of the house judiciary committee as well as the subcommittee on the weaponization of government is now seeking to investigate n the prosecutors. yesterday he sent a letter to manhattan district attorney alvin bragg who led this historic conviction and requested that bragg testify in front of the subcommittee. and it is not just republicans in congress who continue to throw trump a lifeline. he fund raised within minutes un of the jury delivering his verdict and according to the campaign it raised $52.8 million in the 24 hours since the conviction. also take into consideration the money that trump is raking in from wealthy donors were now returning from the fold. republicans have created a bubble that has largely protected the former president from suffering the consequences of his action and so far it has worked. there is a pivotal election five months and four days from today. one of the candidates will dbe convicted felon. but, at this point, it is still unclear how or if what happened this week will change the dynamics of the race. joining me now art david a. graham and susan, the co-author of "the divider" and, david, let me start with you. one the trial began people thought about this case like ith was the runt of the litter of the trump cases. it was not directly linked to the attempt to overturn the election. but that juries have returned a historic guilty verdict. what you think is going to happen as a result of that? >> welcome i think it is really striking how quickly the returned and how convincing the case they made was. i agree that this was maybe a lesser case and i found that the evidence was really overwhelming and the prosecution made a strong case. and i am curious to see how that gets out. i think simply the phrase that donald trump is a felon, having that in the news and around initially important and it is important for people to hear that and to think about what that means. >> susan, you singled out mike johnson's response to the verdict which you called absurd. we are trying to discuss the degree to which donald trump is the republican party and the republican party have been given many off ramps with donald trump and none of them are taking it. >> i think you have gotten right to the heart of the matter which is without the support of the republican party, donald trump for years but have just been an angry old man shouting at the television in between golf games. now, what we are seeing is an escalation. a further metallization in the lengths to which republican officials in the more wholly- owned trump era of the party are willing to go to trump. there was this sort of amazing, sort of under noted incident little more than a week ago in which speaker mike johnson's house of representatives, they literally prohibited jim mcgovern, the top democrat on the rules committee, from even mentioning the fact of donald trump's indictments and of the cases pending before them on the house on the grounds it was insulting to the personality of the presumptive nominee. that is right. just the facts of the case. and i looked this up. there is a crs report that shows this is extraordinarily basically unprecedented behavior and house of representatives. even before the conviction, they were saying it was out of order in mike johnson's congress even to mention the fact of the leader's indictments. >> david, you know, we are often trying to parse what effect this will have on the election and people's thinking but there was something that caught our eye in which you wrote this was the first experiment it united states has ever had in trying to try a former president for a crime though it will probably not be the last. you mean something interesting by that. tell me what you are thinking? >> i mean simply the fact of this trial is really a vote for democracy and for rule of law. even if trump had been found not guilty, we would have had to go through these rituals he found demeaning. i wish more people had seen. when i see these republicans being it a kangaroo court are saying it is all political prosecution, it tells me they did not sit and listen to the evidence and watch as trump's lawyers were unable to challenge stores, challenge evidence, to call their own witnesses. this is the way the thjustice system works in looking at it from that perspective, it was really an uplifting thing at thit an american. i am really sad to see all these misrepresentations. >> susan, there is an interesting point there. whether you read the indictments or the transcripts of the trials, it is important to know that the prosecution -- this is a criminal trial in the state of new york -- they had to prove their case beyond a reasonable doubt which is a higher bar than the civil courts they faced. yet the first response from everyone on trump's side of this thing is that it was illegitimate. not that they disagreed with the verdict, which is every american's right, and not that they do not think it does not deserve an appeal. but that the process was illegitimate. >> yeah. that is where i see the escalation. remember, it was only a few years ago that donald trump was running as the court of law and order candidate. on his 2016 chant of "lock her up" to hillary clinton. now, i see them willing to burn down the system itself in defense of donald trump. and that, i think, is something that takes us to a really "next level" scary place. and the response i thought when there was one republican who spoke out giving the old clichis. to david's points, let's respect the rule of law and the system here. this is how america works. kind of clichi hold stuff. the former governor of maryland was actually trashed and called out by his fellow republicans. utah senator mike lee basically said do not respect the verdict. do not respect the system. >> david, it is not just lawmakers. here's the interesting thing for people who have ran for office to help trump survive this politically. we have heard from a couple of wealthy donors and billionaires have come back into the trump fold. people who have been critical in the past. this is how he likes it. donald trump, he has not -- donors nor politicians have taken this opportunity to turn their back on him. >> that is right. they had a chance to be appalled by his behavior and they got used to it. and they like what they see on the policy side. he is promising them the right things. he is promising he is on their side. he is a pro-business candidate. he is willing to trade democracy. >> we appreciate it, david a. graham, and susan glasser , co- author of the book "trump the divider in the white house 2017 through 2021." justice samuel alito story about an insurrectionist flag seen flying outside his home is traveling on front of that but he will not recuse himself from a pair of january 6th related cases, and republicans are already urging the court to step in on donald trump's behalf. plus, what the republican response to donald trump's conviction tells us about the state of the party, politics, and in the fight to come. plus, the very latest on a potential new rounds of negotiation to end the war in gaza. 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return of some remains of dead hostages, the release of some palestinian prisoners, the withdrawal of forces from gaza, palestinians getting return to all parts of gaza, and an significant increase in humanitarian aid. they would also begin negotiating with what biden is calling a permanent end to hostilities. only once that is negotiated will phase two begin, but, importantly, as long as the negotiation continues, no longer how long the cease-fire will continue. then in phase two, the living hostages would be released as well as more prisoners in israel would withdraw its forces from gaza. phase three consists of gaza reconstruction and return of the remaining bodies of dead hostages. in a statement, prime minister netanyahu's office appeared to confirm the proposal did come from israel and in a statement, said that they view biden's speech positively. return to an independent journalist based in israel. i want to ask you something. i do not know how much it matters and it may not matter but there is a lot of discussion about whether this is really an israeli proposal or it is not because benjamin netanyahu has a remarkable ability to confuse things and has tweeted different responses to what biden said at the white house yesterday. >> that is right. so president biden, the president of the united states, announce what he called the israeli brand and they have responded with two vague and confusing reactions. but what i think is important for us is at no point did the israeli government deny that it had signed onto this plan and i think maybe that is what we should focus on, and that may be the political crisis with his more right-wing ministers that netanyahu will be starting to confront tonight. >> all of these things are negative. he is not sure that this one is dead on arrival. largely because, forget the semantics and the little bits of stuff that everyone is going to have to negotiate, but the u.s. seems to have applied pressure on both sides to say this looks very much like a deal proposed a month ago. but this may be the best deal everyone is going to get and they may have to put some sweat into it. what is your take on it? do you think it is real? >> i definitely think it is real. i cannot tell you it is going to work but there is a chance which is not something i thought before. and what is interesting is that president biden seems to be trying to put a coordinated pincer move, if i can say that, on netanyahu in respect that this comes in the same period of time that the more moderate members of netanyahu's government said they will block out his government next week if there is not a plan that netanyahu signed on to. and by saying that this is an israeli plan, biden seems to have handcuffed netanyahu, who is now stuck having to see either know it is not and see the white house release the documents which they have, or for netanyahu to say yes i signed onto this. and that could even have half his government fall apart. some of those they eternal war. or it could make them acknowledge they knew about this and were in on the deal. so we are at a really important juncture and i do not think either side will ignore. we have also seen hamas put out two somewhat contradictory and confusing responses. at the very least, everyone is kind of shocked by what happened. >> we know what is going on around the world. we know that the cia director our meeting. we know that blinken has been talking to american allies in arab countries around the world. what is going on inside israel? what is going on in the street? what are people on the street in israel actually thinking about it? >> well, as soon as i finish with you, i am headed out to see the size of tonight's protests in jerusalem. i know in tel aviv and around the country, there is a feeling that tonight's protests are somehow going to break it down. there have been protests daily and all along, but biden's statement and especially his directly to israelis, don't lose 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court. the latest scandal involves an upside down american flag displayed at alito's home shortly after the january 6th riot and the christian nationalist flag that was displayed at a vacation home. the flags from the same as those flown by some january 6 riders, have concerns about alito's impartiality and fairness at a time when two january 6th cases are pending before the court. despite mounting calls for alito to recuse himself from the two cases, he doubled down saying that the flag incidents do not meet the conditions for recusal. he claims that his wife put up the initial upside down flag in direct response to a dispute with neighbors, however that was recently debunked as the dispute with neighbors actually occurred weeks after the flag had already been flown. all this comes amid growing calls for supreme court reform, even as republicans in congress have shown little inclination to hold the court accountable. chief justice john roberts issued a defiance statement this week refusing to engage with democrats about the faience concerns and that ethics alone concerned the appropriateness of recusal. according to a recent survey by marquette university law school, a majority of charity ot -- 56% -- believe that the decisions are politically motivated rather than based on law. i am joined by colorado secretary of state chairperson of the democratic association of secretaries of state secretary griswold. thank you for being with us this morning. >> thank you for having me, ali. >> this is not an abstraction for you because the supreme court ruled to remove your attempts to remove donald trump on the ballot for the role that he played in the january 6th riot. in light of these recent controversies and we are learning more about were certain members of the supreme court -- where their sentiments lie on these things, what does this make you think? >> well, always glad to join you, ali. and, you know, i was party to the trump disqualification case were six 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