>> just some of the horrifying consequences for women all over the country, after the supreme court decision overturning roe two years ago today. plus, multiple hearings today on trump's purloined classified documents as trump's favorite judge entertains an absurd argument that special counsel jack smith was illegally appointed. and we begin tonight in the midst of a heat wave. amidst the sweltering heat that is shattering records worldwide. saudi arabia announced yesterday that at least 1300 people have died making the hodge, the islamic pilgrimage due to extreme heat. and 100 million people in the u.s., nearly a third of the country, spent much of last week under a heat advisory. these temperatures are not normal. they are the direct result of the climate crisis we're currently living in. and scientists have sounded the alarm. quote, these heat waves are the fingerprint of climate change, experts said, and are a glimpse of what's to come as human induced climate change continues to amplify extreme weather. it should be obvious that dangerous climate change is already upon us. a climate scientific told "the washington post." people will die because of global warming on this very day. unquote. so what does that have to do with politics, political show host, you ask? well, one of the things exacerbating the climate crisis is fossil fuel extraction that continues to drag every drop of oil and natural gas out of the earth in the quest for unlimited profits. the u.s. accounts for about 13% of global crude oil extraction. for all the complaints from republicans about joe biden and his green energy, the u.s. is currently extracting more oil and natural gas than ever in this country's history and the most of any country on earth including russia, nigeria, and saudi arabia. and while that is boosting the bottle lines of exxonmobil and shell and oil refinery magnates like the koch brothers, it's not exactly helping the earth not die. and if you think the billionaires behind those companies care about the whole earth dying thing, you would be 100% wrong. on the contrary, america's billionaires, oil, gas, tech, media, and otherwise are busy tripping over themselves and stampeding over each other to get in front of donald trump and hand him millions in campaign donations so he can get back into the white house. and in exchange for the bribes he's soliciting door to door, hat in hand, he's offering to let them operate with less regulation, including drilling on public lands. that's one of two things you need to understand about the upcoming election. the other is that the massive tax cut donald trump signed his first year as president in 2017 was the dream paul ryan, the then speaker of the house, had nursed for most of his adult life, is set to expire next year on new year's eve, december 31st, 2025. and while vb president biden has vowed to let it expire, trump is vowing to not only keep those tax cuts but to add to them. that means billionaires can gobble up more tax cuts. that's the reason every other billionaire is kissing trump's ring and a lot of non-billionaire rich people too, including the rappers. they don't care about democracy or voting rights or women's rights. in fact, democracy and voting are an inconvenience to the super rich because when people get to choose, they almost always choose to tax the rich. don't believe the bs about people voting against their economic interests. the people who vote for trump and other republicans are richer than average. not poorer. and they also don't seem to care that half the time trump sounds like this. >> i have the wounds all over my body. if i took this shirt off, you would see a beautiful, beautiful person. but you would see wounds all over. all over me. i have taken a lot of wounds. i can tell you. more than i suspect any president ever. my stupid people when i wanted to refute it, they said sir, don't dignify it with a rebuttal. refutal? refutal? what the hell word would that be? he didn't know. but they don't know either. you have to get out, just this time. i don't care, in four years you don't have to vote. okay. in four years, don't vote. i don't care. but we'll have it all straightened out so it will be much different. >> what would happen if this boat is so heavy and started to sink, and you're on the top of the boat. do you get electrocuted or not? in other words, the boat is going down and you're on the top. will the electric currents flow through the water and wipe you out? let's say there's a shark about ten yards over there. would i have to immediately abandon or could i ride the electric down? he said, sir, nobody has ever asked us that question. >> and the other half of the time, he says things like this. >> i have an idea for you to make a lot of money. you're going to go and start a new migrant fight league. migrants, only migrants. and then at the end of the year, the champion migrant is going to fight your champion, and i hate to tell you, i think the migrant might win. that's how tough they are. >> and no matter how cruel or deranged or clearly not cognitively okay this man may be, the billionaires are still willing to drop america into his tiny little hands, just as long as they get to keep that tax cut and get more deregulation. and this thursday, we're supposed to take that guy that you just heard seriously when he gets on that debate stage with the actual president, the current one, and spews even more nonsense. joining me now is nbc news correspondent vaughn hillyard. you have been to a lot of these trump events. you have talked to a lot of these supporters. when they hear donald trump talking like we just heard, we saw the ones in the audience there laughing. how do we explain why they think that's a president? >> reporter: i think, joy, for a lot of folks that there's a reflection or a connection to somebody who is speaking right off the cuff. somebody who, yes, may have a tell prompter in front of him, but goes off on tangents there. for them, let's be very clear here. i think donald trump is convinced he has been effective as a political candidate over now almost ten years. because of that. because there is nothing stale about donald trump. we don't know where this political movement ends. but the leader of it is somebody that is consistently providing new material. there are thousands if not millions of folks who routinely watch online his campaign rallies. and this is somebody who they follow on social media because you never know what you're going to get. that is the difference about donald trump, and somebody who is shepherded and been able to effectively control the base of this republican party in no small part i think because of his presentation. >> let me play, this isn't your interview, this is shaq brewster, our friend. he went to and talked to a set of trump voters. let's listen to that. >> i have been for him since he came down the escalator in 2015. he's -- he does everything by the books. he follows the constitution. >> he's for the people. i'm getting emotional. i don't know. >> you're getting emotional? >> yeah. >> why? >> i just feel like he actually cares about the country. >> who cares who he had sex with before he was president? >> you're talking uthis trial in new york? >> yeah, well, yeah. but who cares? you know what, i'm not a man but i'll tell you something. men and women cheat. you know? and just because he -- he says he didn't have sex, i believe him. i believe everything he says. >> that was in wisconsin, vaughn, but you know, have you -- if we went and saw one of these rallies in pennsylvania, would those same people be there? are these people who follow him from place to place. i did notice in the michigan group, there was a local reporter who talked to people, and none of them were locals. none were from detroit. they seemed to be people who follow trump like the grateful dead. are these fans who go from place to place? >> there are absolutely those. i can't tell you the number who have been to dozens of rallies but more than 90% easily of the folks are individuals either from that town or folks to drive from two to three hours. i think this is the part where i have been -- it was at donald trump's first mega rally in the summer of 2015. i have been covering him since, is the fact that folks are a little bit more disconnected from mainstream news sources than they were. they're not reading "the new york times" or even the local papers. a great number of local papers have gone down in the last decade, have gone out of business. they're not watching cnn, msnbc, or nbc nightly news. folks are turning into oan, newsmax, they have outlets, steve bannon's war room, they have outlets there that deliver them oftentimes a different set of facts here. so i think when you hear somebody, you know, you could suggest they may be a sympathetic figure to a certain degree because what they have taken in and consumed over the course of now years is information that is not always aligned with the reality that is actually being played out. >> last very quick question. do those people believe that they received benefits from the 2017 tax cut? >> you know, i think these are a lot of good questions, joy. i think that overarching, i think a lot of this comes down to the idea that donald trump has effectively been able to convince millions of americans that he is fighting for them. when you get down to the granular, of course, there are many different responses you get here, but i think that these are legitimate and serious questions, and ultimately, i think that this is going to be like a stage where frankly, he has not been challenged. he's only been to mainstream news interviews over the last four years. he didn't go on the republican debate stage. i think this is where the debate on thursday night is unique because it's 90 minutes of potentially him being challenged on some questions like that that you're posing from joe biden. >> i hope that comes up. nbc's vaughn hillyard, thank you very much. let's bring in matthew dowd, former republican strategist and msnbc senior political analyst. let's ask you that same question, this is the reality, matthew. none of those people got the tax cut. let's just be clear. the tax cut went 80% to corporations and the super rich. if you're not really really rich, you did not get a tax cut. you might have gotten a few pennies here and there. if you live in a blue state, your taxes went up. if you own a home, your taxes went up because they took away the ability, or they reduced the ability for you to write off your home mortgage interest. the tax cut literally only helped you if you were really rich. why do people who are not really rich think he's, quote, for the people? >> well, the same reason why they think that he's a religious person. i have had conversations with hundreds of trump supporters, and i live around them in texas when i'm there. and there's this suspension of disbelief. it's like they're in a netflix series about ufos or martians. and like all of us, if we get into it where our emotions take over and then we no longer sort of say, well, that can't be true, that can't be true. they suspend all that in the course of this. you could go through any number of things that if you just had a fact set go to them, they would present it to them, any rational human being not caught up this cycle is, you're right, you're right. the fact of the matter is joe biden has done more for donald trump supporters than donald trump has. every single protection of medicare, protection of social security, all of those things, but they're in this suspension of disbelief which is held up in mew view, always held up by the fact that donald trump hates and despised the same people they do. whether it's people of color, people that have a sexuality that they don't agree with, disabled people, immigrants. donald trump makes fun of those people and hates those people just like they do. and that hate unfortunately, and i don't say this gladly, that hate suspends their logic in their mind when all other factors point to the fact they should be supporting joe biden. the fact that donald trump breeds that hate that they actually tap into keeps them as a supporter of donald trump. >> i don't think i'll disagree with you. it's not a netflix movie, it's a tubae movie. let's talk about the rich people. people say they like trump, and you say why, and they say i had more money under trump. the economy cratered under trump and you had les money because the economy shut down. how you had more money, i couldn't tell you unless you were really rich. here's a woman who is really really rich. she was an obama fund-raiser, she came to the country from vietnam. she once lived down the street from steve jobs in silicon valley, yet she claims what exasperates her about the current era is violent crime and elicit drug use. we're probably talking about a different drug that's in powder form, not another form. she would like to see policies such as lower taxes that benefit businesses and encourage entrepreneurship. many people are coming to trump for his good policies. quote, look at his 2016 jobs act. a couple red flags when i read that piece in the new york post, which didn't inquire any further. barack obama was president in 2016. not donald trump. and the thing that she called the jobs act, the only thing you can come close to it is the tax cut. they called it the tax something and jobs act. so rich people like this lady who is really, really rich, are selling to broke people that, well, she had more money. she got the tax cut. that's all they want, the tax cut. >> yeah, that's what's so unfortunate, you would hope in a democracy that people are voting for the common good. and even if a wealthy person may have to pay more in taxes if it's going to help 5 million other people, they would be for it. some are doing that, people like melinda gates announced she's going to support joe biden, and she's a billionaire, but she's doing it for choice and abortion, not for herself, but for the millions of other people impacted by donald trump and his policies. what's amazing about this is donald trump gets away with acting like he's a populist and against the elite, when he has the most elite, elite people, and it's not just people running a major 500 corporation with hundreds of thousands of employees. those people aren't supporting donald trump. it's the hedge fund operators, the oil company operators, all the people who don't have a large contingency of employers with diverse employment. it's these people who become wealthy and want to keep their wealth. >> greed. there is no other policy they're talking about. they don't care about anything else. that tax cut is going to expire and the corporate one is even lower, and these people pay less taxes than their secretaries and they want to keep that money. matthew dowd, thank you. coming up next on "the reidout" which we will bring you the latest on the multiple hearings in trump's classified documents case. 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