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getting the mage? we've got new polling that says all of that. and this is important. recent polling may also explain why we haven't got an deal yet. we'll tell you what we're talking about. in any case, americans are speaking out today. >> good morning, speaker boehner's office. how may i help you? >> a summer avalanche of phone calls hitting the capitol. president obama asked for it in his address to the nation last night. here it is. house switchboard today getting nearly double the volume of normal phone calls, house speaker baine er's office reporting as many as 300 people on hold for as long as an hour. online the same story. site unavailable. server busy. we found better than one in three congressional web sites either slow or down entirely from all the volume. also multiple calls to the white house switchboard by one of our producers also not getting through. that's what's happening. and it's unusual. and there's new polling out there on the debt issue from pew research. pay attention to this. 68% say that lawmakers who share their views should be willing to compromise even if they strike a deal they disagree with. just 23% say lawmakers should hold firm, even if it means the government goes into default. recent cnn orc polling is no less striking. by 68 to 32%, people say president obama should compromise with congressional republicans. when it comes to gop lawmakers compromising with president obama, the outcome is nearly identical. 66 to 33%. it would seem that the message is this. do a deal already. so why then was the message today in washington, no deal? >> democrats will not vote for it. >> i am confident as of this morning that there were not 218 republicans in support of the plan. >> our chief of staff said clearly sunday the president would not sign that. >> this republican will not vote to raise the debt ceiling. >> democrats will not vote for it. democrats will not vote for it. democrats will not vote for it. >> democrats and republicans both digging in. senate majority leader reid declaring house speaker boehner's two-set debt deal dead on arrival. white house advisers recommending president obama veto it. michele bachmann vowing not to raise the debt ceiling no matter what. the question is why? why is there this disconnect between the polling that shows the support for a deal with what's actually going on in washington? some of the answers in that same poll. remember the polling on compromising with the other side? we broke it down further. if you break it down by party you see that democrats are split 50/50 on compromising with republicans. on the other hand, only 37% of republicans say they're in favor of compromising with president obama to get things done. on both questions independents overwhelmingly want compromise with the other side. democrats less. so republicans even less. which may explain why many gop lawmakers simply aren't budging. as for democrats, they could be holding firm because polling shows americans don't want cuts in medicare, medicaid, social security. and remember those phone calls? well, some of them are in fact demanding a deal as president obama asked for last night, but others are from constituents telling their elected representatives to hold firm, to not give an inch. now, tomorrow conservative lawmakers plan a capitol hill rally against compromise. and today the anti-tax club for growth came out against speaker boehner's proposal which was already opposed by the tea party express and tea party patriots. we're going to talk about all of this along with tonight's breaking news, the congressional budget office, the main score keeper in any budget deal, saying speaker boehner's plan simply doesn't add up. also tomorrow's planned vote on it now pushed forward to thursday. chief white house correspondent jessica yellin has the latest on all that. jessica, lots of talk about -- we're been talking about it for some time. 24 hours after the president and speaker boehner went on national tv to focus their attention, are we any closer? another day has passed. >> reporter: in a word, sanjay, no. and as you just mentioned, the house of representatives is now delaying its vote on speaker boehner's bill. it's uncertain whether that bill can even get through the house of representatives. the bill was losing the support of conservative republicans before the congressional budget office says it doesn't cut as much as promised. so that news doesn't help. what's happening now is democrats are waiting. they're just waiting to see what happens with the republicans' bill before making their own move in the senate. but the big picture here is that neither the republicans' bill in the house nor the democrats' bill in the senate seems to have the votes to get through both houses of congress so we're back at stalemate. >> but what is it -- i don't know if you can answer, this but what is it going to take to spur some sort of action here do you think? >> reporter: well, that is the big question. but talking to a lot of sources there are two big ideas, two big hopes. first is there's a hope that u.s. senate, with its history of consensus building over time, could find a way to strike a compromise. so get it over to the senate is one answer. if not, sanjay, and i hear this from a lot of people right now and this is scary -- sources say maybe if the market crashes that would force members to cut a deal. here's why. remember back in the fall of 2008 when the house of representatives could not pass the bank bailout bill? they didn't have the votes until the market plunged. then suddenly they got a bill through. well, i keep hearing senior sources say on both sides of the aisle, maybe ultimately you need a similar scenario. they hope that's not the case. they wonder fit might be. >> that sound like my world of medicine, jessica. people wait for a catastrophe to happen before they act sometimes. let me ask you this, as what's happening at the white house, is the assessment starting to come in that this default may occur? is the white house starting to create a battle plan just in case? >> reporter: yes. the president is talking to secretary geithner about it. next week the government has two big bills to pay, one a fat check around 30 million to social security. another is $7 billion to bond holders. the treasury department is looking at our obligations and they're making decisions about what the the government will and won't pay if the debt ceiling isn't raised. and i'd also just tell everyone to look out tomorrow, representatives from the agencies that rate this nation's credit will be testifying on capitol hill. we could get a preview of whether they plan to downgrade our credit based on the various plans before congress. we'll see. >> i want to ask david gergen in a moment whether that may happen regardless of what happens over the next several days. jessica, thanks. i know you've been very busy on this. went other late note, the "new york times" now reporting some flexibility on that august 2nd deadline that we've been paying attention. to that deadline was always sort of a treasury department estimate on when they'd run out of cash. now incoming taxes could allow that date to slip perhaps as late as august 10th. a little more breathing room perhaps but still a lot to talk about. let's talk with political analyst david gergen and gloria borger who have also been very busy. gloria i've been watching you all day on this. we know now over the last couple of hours that speaker boehner's office's team is rewriting this bill after the c.b.o. score that came. in they were supposed to be voting on this bill tomorrow. now it's thursday at the earliest we're hearing. that's another day. >> yeah. >> which it seems no one can afford, right? >> no. nobody can afford it. it's a big problem for the house speaker. the house speaker, he wasn't sure he had the votes before. he certainly didn't have the votes after this news. he's promised his caucus. his caucus wants a dollar for dollar kind of a scenario in which every dollar you raise the debt ceiling. you get a dollar in cuts. so he has to -- he has to figure out how to do that. so this delay is not good. in the end, in talking to sources tonight, it's got to come down to some kind of a compromise between harry reid's plan and john boehner's plan. and if you just look at those plans, you see there are certain similarities. they both have commissions to come back and report and figure out a way to deal with this once and for all. the difference is in the number. and the difference is whether you have a second vote to raise that debt ceiling. the president says no way. and the republicans say we're going to need another vote. so there seems to be a place where they can compromise. maybe it's on the figure. but if you're staring default in the face, sometimes compromises can look a lot better. >> so some sort of short-term band-aid perhaps? >> maybe. maybe. i mean, we're hearing rumblings of that tonight. jessica yellin did an interview tonight with the president's communications director, dan fifer, who seemed to indicate that yes, maybe a short-term band-aid patch, whatever, could happen as he put it to do the is and cross the ts. what does that mean? a week or ten days? maybe there is an extra week as jessica suggests because of incoming revenues to the treasury. that's what a lot of house members think. but this is still not a great situation, sanjay. >> and david gergen, given the push back specifically the boehner's bill continues to get even before the cbo score from members of his own party, how likely is it that there's going to be any sort of compromise or any debt limit at all can pass the house? >> it's a very good question, sanjay. and it's clear now that we have not just a financial crisis that's building up in this country but a political crisis. and that is whether those we entrust all this power to can lead the country or whether they're going to be the first generation in history to really squander our triple a credit rating, for example. i think there was bad news today with the revolt coming from the house republicans. it's such a stiff resistance. and what's important about it is it's coming from boehner's right, the speaker's right. which means, sanjay, that compromise, you've got a runaway caucus. in the republican side in the house. and the compromise has to be good enough in effect to get enough of those caucus members and democrats to pass it in order to get a solution. having said all that, sanjay, do i think we should not lose hope. i think the odds still slightly favor ways to avoid a default. as gloria points out, the two plans that are emerging, democratic and republican plans in the congress, do have similarities. there are quiet conversations, urgent conversations now going on among the leadership in both parties on capitol hill. and there is a real prospect for some sort of extension of this fight. i think the white house, when push comes to shove, there are indications that the white house, if there is some sort of agreement for shaping up after both these two plans die toward the end of this week or over the weekend, the white house might well extend for a couple of weeks and let this fight play out. >> and david, i'm going to ask you this in a second as well. gloria let me ask you because i heard some of your interviews earlier today. if you break this down, there's lots of numbers here. i've been trying to crunch them myself. but aren't the republicans ultimately getting most of what they wanted in all this? >> yes. >> so what's the real problem? what's the hangup? >> declare victory and go home, right? the interesting thing right now is that tax increases, at least right now in the short term, are not on the table. they may have to come as part of a long-term deal if that's what a deficit commission would decide. and then that would get voted on. the difference between the plans is just a matter of whether you have an extra vote and a matter of a number. and john boehner is now going to have to reduce his number, probably, if it's going to be dollar for dollar. and that would mean another vote on the debt ceiling coming up sooner. harry reid's proposal is a larger one, 2.7 trillion, to get you through the election. >> right. >> so there's got to be a way to work that out. but republicans have gotten an awful lot of what they asked for. because taxes are not on the table. and remember, barack obama originally said, i want a clean debt ceiling with no deficit reduction attached to it. and that's not happening. so they've won that argument. >> and david, do you have a comment to that? i mean, again, there's a lot of what seemed to initially have been part of the debate seems to have been achieved by the republicans when looking at these plans. why isn't it happening? why don't they as gloria said just declare victory? >> well, because they honestly feel that while the deals do tend to favor them they're so modest that's not what they came to washington to fight for, especially members of the tea party. they feel once again that washington is sort of finding the easy way out and not facing up to the really tough choices. after all, neither of these plans as presented takes on entitlement reform. neither of these plans as gloria mentioned really does raise taxes. that's not something the republicans want. but if you think of the tough choices, sanjay, that every expert thinks we have to make they're over entitlements and over taxes. and neither of these plans does that. and what's emerging at the end of the day, unless there's some miracle and we go back to a grand bargain, which would be wonderful and have a really big agreement, that would also hold off the credit rating agencies. the likelihood is we're going to come out with something fairly small. >> and i don't think -- i don't think we can say it enough that there's a real missed opportunity here. i think there was a real opportunity to get something serious done on a larger scale, and for whatever reason -- and clearly political -- it fell apart. and i think there's plenty of blame to go around. >> whether the deadline is august 2nd or the 10th as it turns out, i have a feeling we'll all be convening again to talk about this some more. david gergen, gloria borger. thanks a lot. >> we want to know how you think about this at home as well on facebook. also follow me on twitter @ sanjay gupta cnn. coming up we'll take a look inside the mind of a troubled man who admits to bombing a credit office building and gunning down dozens of people. what turned him into a moslem-hating development also late developments in the trial of polygamist leader warren jeffs. we'll tell you about that and introduce you to some of his follower whose remain loyal even though he's behind bars. first isha sesay new developments as well tonight in the casey anthony story. the trial judge not at all happy with some of what's being said about the jurors and their decision to acquit on the major charges. so he's taking action. we'll tell you about that and a whole lot more when 360 continues. the chevy cruze eco offers an epa estimated 42 miles per gallon on the highway. how does it do that? 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