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CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 October 21, 2011



it is disturbing and it is not appropriate for all viewers. in the video which we are going to show you now, several fighters are seen surrounding the corpse shouting slogans. they're shouting allah akbar, god is great. others saying the blood of martyrs are not in vain. he has wounds on his face including one on his forehead. gadhafi was reportedly killed by a bullet to his head near the hometown of sirte. we'll show you another video taken as he was dying or after he died. this is also gruesome. >> the transitional council released this information. he was captured wearing an undershirt and trousers and they took a dna sample while they say his blood was still hot. hair samples were taken as well. some of the hair, though, was found to be artificial. samples from his face and armpit were taken to prove to the national transitional council that it was, indeed, gadhafi. gadhafi's was a journey from revolutionary hero. many in libya cheered him. he became a despotic strong man responsible for bombing pan am flight 103. libyans are celebrating tonight and the whole world is watching because libya is a powerful country. it is home to the largest reserves of oil in africa. with the latest, dan is in tripoli tonight. we're still learning new information. we just saw disturbing videos of how gadhafi was captured and killed and information is still coming in. what can you tell us? >> reporter: well, the ntc are very keen to put their side of what happened out to the media. we've been briefed by them. they're telling us that gadhafi was basically captured, as you saw on that footage. he was alive and injured, they say, shot in the arm. they tried to get him to hospital, but in the process of taking him to hospital, the vehicle he was in came under fire and they say he was killed in the crossfire, shot in the head and confirmed dead before he arrived at hospital. we've got details and what happened as part of the autopsy and they took dna samples to confirm his identity, but they are very keen to dispel any objection that he was deliberately killed by the ntc soldiers that took him. there were earlier reports suggesting he'd been shot in the head by his own pistol by presumably the soldiers that captured him. he was simply caught in the crossfire that they wanted to bring him in alive. >> dan rivers, thank you very much. celebrations are ongoing in tripoli tonight. the big question though now is what's next? i met moammar gadhafi in tripoli a couple of years ago and he was a strange man. as part of my reporting there, i spent time with a man called abu zadorda. he was part of gadhafi's right hand man during the original revolution. he was captured a month ago by rebel forces and when i met him, he had giant dioramas to build new cities in lybia. he wanted to move the 140 or so tribes to these new cities and force them to live side by side in apartment buildings because the tribes hated each other that much. tribal identity remains paramount in libya. george friedman sent time there and he can answer the big question of what happens now. founder and ceo of stratfor global intelligence. can they do it? >> it's going to be awfully difficult. they haven't run a country democratically for 42 years. the tribes are at odds with each other. gadhafi had a substantial amount of support in the country, it took seven months to bring him down. those supporters may well fight back. there are weapons used all over the country. and this looks more like baghdad in 2003 than a celebration. >> so do you think that would mean the united states or someone would need to be involved for quite a bit longer to ensure stability, not just for the country, but also the oil supply? >> well, i mean, it's very obvious that nato overthrew gadhafi. it was nato that did it. now nato has a country. the question is what does nato have to do about it? gadhafi is dead, his regime has been displaced and now they have to engage in nation building. we haven't had a very good record in nation building and no one wants to invest in it and we don't want to send troops there. the problem we have now is we won. so be careful what you wish for. you might get it? >> george, thank you very much. a sobering reminder of just what we may be facing. we appreciate it. the challenges are huge, but the reason the world is invested is because the opportunity is huge as well. libya, quite simply is loaded with oil and money. the country has the largest oil reserves in africa, 46 billion barrels and it has the fourth biggest natural gas stash in the continent. in fact, it has the world's large of the reserves of so-called light sweet crude oil. that is the kind that american refineries prefer. the bottom line, saudi arabia's oil isn't as good as libya and each though libya isn't producing that much oil due to the revolution it's amassed $170 billion in oil money. much of that was frozen during the revolution. ramadan is with the group made up to make sure assets coming back to lybia is spent the way they should be. i hear the guns going off as people still celebrate there, joining us from tripoli tonight. can you tell us the bottom line? do you know where all of the money is or what the right amount is? is $170 billion a fair number? >> thank you for having me. and there is a lot of celebrations behind us and you can hear the gunfire. the numbers are an approximation. i think it's more closer to 160 and that's the frozen assets, for example, investments in africa it's much more difficult to account for everything, but there will be a process of accounting for all these investments and assets. >> do you have enough money now to run a country? to pay the government workers, to make sure people can come to work and do their jobs and function as a country? >> well, we have a temporary financing mechanism and the financing mechanism was established by the country to basically unfreeze assets and be able to spend it after the u.n. sanctions. we currently are in the process of unfreezing assets from both canada and holland, from the netherlands, and the amount is close $3 billion and we'll use that to pay fuel bills and salaries and things like that. >> i'm curious, the transitional council of which you're a part says it can get oil production back to half a million barrels a day pretty quickly. in one year, that would be $18 billion. and a big question that america has and nato is whether libya intends to pay america back the $2 billion joe biden says america spent and perhaps to pay nato as well for their involvement. will you? >> excuse me. i didn't catch the last part of the question. >> i was saying does libya intend to pay back nato and the united states for the money they put into helping over the past year? >> oh, okay. so currently, the current government is basically a caretaker government. i think the issues and questions like this should be addressed by legitimately elected government and that should happen in a very short period of time. i am sure the representative government will make the right decisions. >> mazin, you were living in the u.s. for a while. you were a businessman here. you went back to libya to be a part of a new government, to go back to your country. do you think libya can get beyond these tribal differences we've been hearing so much about? do you think democracy is something that will function and that can come out of this? >> yes, of course. today is basically a historical day. i turn the page on the gadhafi era, 40 years of a struggle that ended with the end of this gadhafi era and now we have a new page and we look forward to democracy, justice and human rights. i'm very optimistic that we will have a democratic, free country. >> all right. mazin, thank you very much for taking the time to join us. i know it's late tonight, but still very busy in tripoli. mazin ramadan joining us from tripoli. the housing market is in big trouble and it will take a big job to help and senator chuck schumer and mike leigh think they've got one. >> 97% of pakistan's population is forbid tone drink. why can't we resist pakistani beer? >> and pat buchanon to talk about libya and the presidential campaign. 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>> i think it can have a significant effect. we calibrated it so that actually the lowest amount of house that someone could buy and live in was $250,000. in many markets, that's about at the median and there are many foreclosed homes still at that level, and even when the market is somewhat lower, everyone knows you scoop up demand at a little bit higher end of the market it raises prices everywhere. >> so how many buyers, do you think this will bring in? >> well, no one know, but we do know similar programs when people invest in america and people are entrepreneurs and create ten jobs in america are well oversubscribed, america is still that lady with the torch and there are millions and millions of people around the world, many who have some means, who want to come here. so if you say you'll get a visa, you'll never become a citizen. this is not a citizenship path, but you'll get a visa if you live here and spend your money here and spend your taxes here, there will be a whole lot of people who do it. >> is the goal just to improve housing prices? because i know you're saying this isn't about citizenship and if you get well-educated foreigners to buy property and they might decide to stay and have a leg up in doing so and it helps with those highly educated foreigners that some want to come to america. >> the number one goal which is to help the housing market which is the biggest anchor in the economy and the number two goal is to get the economy going and they have to spend a great deal of money here and they'll pay taxes here. so it will be a net increase in revenues and it will help get the economy going. if they want to start a business and do things like that, yes, they can apply for visas to do that as well and they, of course, are more likely to do that. >> we did an analysis today. they did -- who buys property in america. canadians wanting to retire, the biggest group, but the second biggest group comes from asia and specifically we're talking about china. do you think increased chinese investment in real estate in america is a good thing? >> i do. i think having money flow here to america is a very good idea. i've never been against foreign investment. it creates jobs here. if we can create the housing market, and if we can kick-start it with this program, and i've talked to leaders in finance and leaders in housing and leaders in banking. i spoke to warren buffett today and he thought it was a great idea, and i think it can be something of a difference. no one is saying it will be a cure-all the minute it becomes law, but it will help significantly. >> this looks like a little bit of both. >> people don't think mike leigh and chuck schumer would be on the same side of much. now the big political questions, will it fly in congress and will president obama get a boost from the killing of moammar gadhafi? after all, in the past year alone, he's overseen the capture or deaths of several top terrorists including osama bin laden and anwar al awlaki from al qaeda and the overthrow of three dictators. here now to weigh in, cnn contributor david fromme, joining us from vancouver tonight and from washington, jen saki, former deputy communications director for the obama white house. great to have you with us. i want to start with the schumer-lee housing bill. it was a part of the proposal. do you think the obama white house is going to sign on? >> well, the most important thing we can be doing for the economy right now is considering every creative idea that was put out there and this is a good example of thinking outside of the box to get a creative look at what we can do and it doesn't add a dime for the deficit and it doesn't cost taxpayers a dime, so it is something that people will take a close look at. there's a lot that we need to do in the housing market. so this is one step that should be considered as we look at what we can do for the economy. >> david, can this pass? >> i hope not. i don't think it's a very good idea at all. i applaud the creativity behind it. if you're going to auction off residence visas, i don't think $250,000 is the price, i don't know why you would want to reward people who invest in the overbuilt economy and not in the sectors where capital is most required. it doesn't do anything to lift the debt burden of the household sector. the job here is to not raise the price of real estate so that people's debts become more bearable. the object is to reduce the burden of debt and to do that you need a very expansionary monetary policy. this is, perhaps, a way of dealing with the federal reserve's insufficient action, but it's not the right answer. i applaud the thinking process, but the answer is wrong. >> well, i applaud your optimism that the fed can get even more expansionary, but let me move on to the next topic, obviously, the story of the day, gadhafi's demise. there was criticism of the president's decision to be involved in libya at all. a lot of criticism. does he feel vindicated today? >> well, i think first things, it is a victory for democracy. this is a victory for the people in the middle east. i don't think he thinks of it as vindication, but there's no question that without the president's leadership and courage of conviction that gadhafi could still be in power and if you look at the alternatives and inconsistency of people like mitt romney, he was for it before he was against it before he was for it and this is highlighting the kind of leadership that the president exhibits and what people will be facing next year. >> all of the presidential candidates weighed in today. will this move anything in the polls? >> i doubt it. not for very long. congratulations to the president for the success. let's hope it works out better than the overthrow of hosni mubarak, and prime minister of britain who did much more of the heavy lifting that took many more of the political risks. we'll know later how this has worked out. all we know today is that a dictator is dead and we don't know much about the future of libya, but they didn't reelect george h.w. bush and they didn't reelect winston churchill. once it's behind us, voters will focus what will happen next. >> there are question marx on that, domestically and internationally, everywhere. pakistan's only legal brewery. yeah, there is one. is celebrating today and we can't resist this one. what does gadhafi's death really mean for america? 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