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>> well, the numbers are on the screen right now, and within the margin of error, and no clear leader, and donald trump is 47%, and joe biden is 46%, and basically in a statistical tie, but not a single poll conducted by cnn the entire 2020 poll that donald trump got a higher poll than joe biden and this is vastly different picture. >> and so that is a new context, and so tell me what this is what the voters feeling here about these two options? >> what is going on is that there are a ton of voters that don't like either candidate or potential candidate nominee for president. favorable view for biden is 29%, and trump is 39%. and that 29% is the double-hater, and something that we saw back in the 2016 campaign. >> what is the double hater? you can't vote for no one. >> you can't elect no one. and the choice of president for no one likes neither is 29%. trump is slightly ahead, 36% to 35%, and the key bloc is the 21% who said they would not vote at all or vote for someone else, and how they go in the next 14 months is the key to who ends nup white house, but right now, trump is holding a slight edge in the margin of error, and that why he is slightly ahead and well within the margin of error in the horse race. >> and it is one thing to have an opinion, and then to have an opinion and go out to vote. and in terms of the most motivated voters so far, who are they leaning toward? >> well, this is a good sign for donald trump. biden versus trump, and the margins of those extremely motivated to vote, trump is up by six percentage point, and all others is biden. so for those coming out the vote, and it is joe biden, and can he motivate those who cannot want to come out to vote, and if he can, that is favorable for him, and at this particular point, there are a lot of good signs for donald trump given what is going on for him, and many not so great signs for joe biden. >> and it is speaking for what we have heard from joe bidensh don't compare him to the alm almighty, but the alternative, and this is what he needs to lean in to increase voter alternatives. >> well, we will see what happens with 14 months go. >> a snapshot in time. >> thank you, harry. >> that is an interesting way to slice the numbers and i have not seen those yet. >> i agree. so in the face of the new poll numbers the president is leaving for a trip overseas today, and or arlette saenz is going overseas, and that is not the type of thing that you want to see when you are walking out the door? >> no, john. so far the biden campaign is not weigh n but they are amplifying the voices saying that people need to take this poll with a grain of salt, and the biden aide that i spoke with earlier this morning said that what they are trying to focus on is the general election, and the battleground polls. this aide argued that the campaign has not exactly played out, and there is still a billion in advertising they are planning in the months ahead, and so it going to take some time to move the numbers, but there are some troubling figures in there for president biden. one issue, the economy, and the white house and the campaign have been making this push to promote bidenomics, and show voters that it is working for them, but the polling found that 58% of the americans say that the policies have worse epped the conditions in the country, but the white house says it is going to take time for the americans to feel the impact of the president's efforts and policies, and they will have to continue to communicate that to try to move the needle there. another issue of concern according to the poll is the president's age which is persistently lingered throughout the campaign, and you can see the concerns that the voters have about the president's age and the health and the stamina going forward and of course, the white house is going to see the foreign work and proof that the president is up to the job, and it is a question that is going to continue to face the white house and the campaign, and if you are looking at vice president kamala harris as she was traveling in indonesia, she has had a pair of interviews to address the president's age. take a listen. >> you are 58 now. if you win a second term as you and the president are running to do. he would be 86 at the end of it. "the wall street journal" had a poll showing that 2/3 of democrats say that joe biden is too old to run again. are you prepared to be commander in chief? >> yes, i am, if necessary. but joe biden is going to be fi fine. >> so there is a lot of work that the white house and biden campaign has to do to move the perceptions. a communications director for the biden campaign and kate bedingfield said they are going to try to make the contrast to be a choice between what president biden is providing and the vision offered by former president donald trump. >> arlette saenz at the white house, and again, we will see the president leave in a few hours from now. sara? >> with me is chief of international chief of affairs, gel jeff zeleny, and going through the polls, and this is what has the biden administration concerned, and you always out and about with the voters, and talk about this choice of the president. if it is a gop candidate, and take a look at this, because it is not what we are seeing throughout the last couple of months. nikki haley would be the candidate that was most preferred if it was a gop candidate running for president against president biden. that is fascinating by two points, and that is within the margin of error, but what has changed, and this is really reflecting what people are thinking out there on the trail? >> well, sara, the numbers are interesting, and first and foremost, there are alarm bells going on at the white house without a doubt, but it is also no surprise, because we live na divided country, and it is going to be a close connection, but the nikki haley numbers specifically, and she is talking about this and using this at town halls, and i was asked about this in new hampshire, and she is making the argument to voters that she is the candidate that the white house and president biden are the most fearful of, and the challenge is getting through the republican primary, and this is a high hurdle without a doubt, but one to reasons behind the numbers is college educated women, and college educated voters are finding more to like with her than some of the other republican candidates. but look, the challenges for the president, the challenges for the white house among the economy, and of course, his approval and the age, and it is enthusiasm. that is one number inside of this poll that has the democrats and the white house concerned, because democratic voters and democratic-leaning voters are not as enthusiastic about joe biden as republicans are for donald trump, and that is opening up the door for the potential of a third-party challenge, and this is one of the biggest worries for this white house. and not necessarily donald trump, because it will play out, but a third-party challenge could spell trouble for president biden and they know that. >> because the pulse of democrats say they want somebody else running for president, and this is democrats and not republicans. >> right. >> and so i want to go to the next poll of who should be the democratic nominee, and there it is. it is a very, very stark number. however, the other choice, you don't know what the other choice would be, and they can't name the other choice at this point in time, and what does it tell you? >> that is the best thing that president biden has going for him that he does not have a competitive campaign primary on the democratic side. if he did, that would certainly be a worrying sign for them, and yes, there are a lot of people who theoretically might like someone else, and remarkably, no one else has stepped up. he had a big field of rivals in 2020 and we remember all of them, and not a peep of any of them from bernie sanders and elizabeth warren to corey booker to kir kirsten gillibrand and od on. and so we will see if the poll shakes anything loose, and if anyone rises forward and says that the party needs to go in a different direction, but until now, this is the best thing that the president has going for him, and the support of the former rivals. and yes, theoretically, the democratic voter like the idea of someone else, but they can't put their finger on who that would be. and we are in september, and the reality is to get on the ballots and things, and the deadlines start next month. the bottom line to all of this is that it is a reality check that, yes, it is going to be a close election of regardless of who the republican nominee is going to be whether it is trump or nn someone else. >> and it is going to be exhausting at least for you, jeff. yes. >> settle down. settle down. >> and now, for first time in this case, we are learning of a cooperation deal of mar-a-lago deal of trump employee number 4, and he is set to testify in this case in exchange will not be prosecuted. joining me now is former federal prosecutor jennifer rogers for more on this, and you say it is big news coming out this cooperation agreement, and this man is an ideal witness, this i.t. worker at mar-a-lago, and why? >> because he was a trump employee, and no political figure, and no skin in the game, and he was a trump employee, and he lied to officials about what happened, and then he came to them, and said, you lie and we may have proof, and he has a new lawyer, and turns around and has a lot of credibility, because they don't have a ax to grind, but telling truth. >> and the wrinkle is that at one point taveras had the same attorney as walt gnnauta and th same attorney and not this i.t. worker taveras, and the attorney is asking the judge in light of this cooperation agreement to block taveras' testimony in any eventual trial, and when i read that, i was confused? >> yeah, that is not going to happen. and the idea is that he can't cross-examine taveras, because he used to be his lawyer, and he knows things because of the attorney-client privilege, and so he cannot cross-examine him, but he can bring up a colleague, and he is going to be instructed not to bring up anything through the attorney/client privilege, and taveras is going to be testifying about the pressure that woodward put on him to lie in the first proceeding, and he is going to be instructed to say my prior lawyer and sanitize it, but that is when you have a lawyer cross-examining his prior client. >> okay. a potential case of donald trump and 18 others and the charges to try to overturn the 2020 election, there and the first sort of televised hearing yesterday, and the judge said they estimated the going forward trial, it would take approximately four months to present the case calling roughly 150 witnesses, but that estimate is not including the time they need to pick a jury. the judge said and seemed very skeptical of that, and what you think of that? >> i am skeptical, too, and i would not say four months is outrageous for a rico trial, but if they are intent of 150 witnesses, that a lot of time. you have to think about if they are only talking about the first two defendants going to trial, it is not so bad, but a bigger trial with all of the different lawyers lining up to cross-examine each witness, and 150 witnesses says it is more than four months. >> something else is that during the arguments yesterday, and this had to do with two of the defendants trying to separate their cases from each other, and the d.a.'s case saying that chesebro and powell who are charged, the same part of the overarching conspiracy and intrinsically linked and they are all together and can't be separated, and so if that logic is holding, and the thing that mark meadows is trying to move to federal court, does that mean that all of them have to go to federal court? >> it is what we don't know. if mark meadows succeeds in getting the case moved to federal court then a subset of them may try to get their case moved to federal court, because if you were a federal official or acting und er the direction f federal direction, then it could be moved, and it is not that you cannot try federal racketeering charges, and you could try them with 19 different times, but the d.a. wants to try them in as few cases as possible. first we have to wait for judge jones' ruling on mark meadows and if he succeeds and then what the other defendants try to do, and the real problem is that it is, kate, what they want to do, and then get the judgments, and meanwhile, the clock is ticking, and fani willis wants to get moving, and it a domino effect. >> yes, it s. gris. great to see you, jennifer. and now, there are two homicides in the nation's capitol, and the manhunt for a convicted killer in pennsylvania. and the judge says that the floating barriers in the rio grande from the governor says they must go, but the governor says he is willing to take the fight to the supreme court. and as the threat of a government shutdown loom, some senators are going forward with some bills, but the roadblock of the ukraine disaster leaf that could get in the way. refi at sofi.com. you could save thousands and get to your r goals faster. sofi. get your money right. arthritis pain? 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