said in a broadcast interview and congress is being urged to have new laws sandusky, in a shocking interview with bob costas, the former coach admitted he, quote, horsed around with boys in the shower at university's complex. sandusky insists he's innocence of the 40 sex crimes detailed in indictment against him. >> how would you define the part you played? what are you willing to concede that you've done that was wrong and you wish you had not done it? >> well, in retrospect i, you know, i -- i shouldn't have showered with those kids. you know, so -- >> that's it? >> yeah. i mean, that's what hits me the most. >> are you a pedophile? >> no. >> are you sexually attracted to young boys, to underaged boys? >> am i sexually attracted to underaged boys? >> yes. >> sexually attracted, i enjoy young people. i love to be around them. i -- i -- no, i'm not sexually attracted to young boys. >> "the new york times" today reports perhaps as many as ten more victims have approached authorities since sandusky's arrest. a brewing campus scandal over who nknew what when, and what they didn't do about it. joe paterno is at the center of the controversial. the grand jury report says paterno were told sandusky raped a boy in the shower at athletic complex in 2002, yet none of them called police. pennsylvania state lawmakers are debating new laws to toughen reporting requirements. tonight, congress is urged to consider new federal penalties for failing to report suspected child abuse. robert casey says only 18 states require such reporting, his state is not among them. senator casey is live with us from capitol hill. i want to start by asking you, as a veteran of this, your state's politics, someone who knows this culture and knows this campus, we played a snippet of coach sandusky's interview, what went through your mind when you listened to him? >> well, my reaction, john, i've got to be honest with you, was what i heard last night when i first heard parts of that interview it seems as if you've got a predator and his lawyer compounding the evil that went on with further evil by misleading people. so that's my reaction. maybe that'sen fair to them, but that's the reaction that i had. people are outraged by this because adults didn't stand up for children. that's why we've got to change the law and do it as quickly as possible. >> you say you want to change the law. let's address that. i want to address it in this context. i want it read from the grand jury report. joe paterno, former coach, an iconic figure in your state in college sports nationally, he is a legend, even a demigod on the campus. here what happens the report says about joe paterno. joseph v. paterno testified to receiving the graduate assistant's report at his home on a saturday morning. paterno testified that the graduate assistant was very upset. paterno called him curley, penn state athletic director and paterno's immediate superior to his home the next day a sunday, and reported to him that the assistant had seen jerry sandusky in the lash building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy. number one, if you believe this report, senator, coach paterno found out on one day, had a meeting with his boss the next day, told his boss but never told the police. there was an alleged child rape in the showers of his athletic complex. what would your proposed changes to the law do to coach paterno? >> simply, john, if the allegations in the grand jury report are true, if we change the law and made every state pass laws that provide that every adult, have to report these instances, both individuals mentioned in the report, both of those adults would be duty bound to report that. unfortuna unfortunately, pennsylvania has child abuse laws in mandated reporters, but if you're not on that list you don't have a legal duty. what we would do is broad than list of mandated reporters to all adults. 18 states have done this. i think every state should do it. one of the ways to bring that about to effectuate that is to have federal legislation that ties it to your federal funding under the child abuse laws. >> what did he know, what did he do about it is a profound, important question about coach paterno. listen to last night to bob cost costas talking to jerry sandusky. >> did joe paterno have any information regarding objectionable activities on your part prior to that report in 2002? >> my -- i can't totally answer that question. mianiancy answer would be no. >> did joe paterno, at any time, ever speak to you directly about your behavior? >> no. >> never? >> no. >> he never asked you about what you might have done? >> no. >> he never asked you if you needed help, counselling? >> no. >> never expressed disapproval of any kind? >> no. >> senator, help me here. as a parent, i can't speak the words that went through my mind. if jerry sandusky's telling the truth, a graduate assistant comes to joe paterno, says i saw coach sandusky raping a child in the showers and joe paterno never says anything to the guy who was his heir apparent, the guy who work for him for 32 years? >> it's a failure to act, john. it's as fundamental as that. any parent, you wouldn't have to be a pardon to reach that conclusion. any parent would say he had a duty to act, a moral duty, a duty that comes with being a human being, being able to see that situation for what it was a child was threat. ed and a child was abused in that case. if all allegations are true. >> around what you propose, sir, want the congress to move quickly on, what would the penalty be for failing to report it? >> the legislation that we have would not be a criminal statue. what it would say is if you want your state and you want funding under the child abuse laws, federally, you would have to have in place a state law that made every adult a mandated reporter. that's basically what it would provide. now, states can enact criminal laws that would provide other protections but i think it's one step the federal government can do to close that loophole so we don't only have 18 states that require all states, every state in the country requires all adults to report child abuse or suspected child abuse or neglect. >> appreciate your time tonight. my job's to stay objective, best of luck with what you're doing. somebody needs to do something. breaking his silence, sandusky raises more questions than he answered and anchored families of his alleged victims as well. jo joined by sarah ganham and attorney wendy murphy. sarah, i want to start with you. you've been in touch throughout this emerging scandal with families of the alleges victims. when jerry sandusky told bob costas last night, he's innocent, that he's not guilty of any sex crimes that if he's guilty of anything, it's enjoying being around young people and horsing around in the shower with them, what do the families of the victims tell you about what they heard last night? >> well, you know, it's been the same theme since the beginning. what they really want, they feel like they've been through enough. some have been keeping this bottled up for 10 years, 15 years, 3 years, they want this guy to plead guilty to prevent their sons from having to take the stand and testify. they don't want to look backwards anymore. they want to look forward. they want some hope. they don't want to go through this anymore. they don't want the scandal, the circus surrounding it. they want him to admit that he did something wrong and plead guilty, and it doesn't look like they're going to get that. >> wendy murphy, listen to more, in some ways it's important to play this, so people can hear coach sandusky, in other ways it turns my stomach every time we do. listen to coach sandusky insisting, insisting, he's done nothing wrong. >> i say that i'm innocent of those charges. >> innocent, completely innocent and falsely accused in every aspect? >> well, i could say that, you know, i have done some of those things. i have horsed around with kids. i have showered after workouts. i have hugged them and i have touched their leg without intent of sexual contact. but so if you look at it that way, there are things that -- that wouldn't, you know, would be accurate. >> are you denying you had any inappropriate sexual contact with any of these underage boys? >> yes, i am. >> never touched their genitals, never engaged in oral sex? >> right. >> wendy murphy, when you listen to that, he says he didn't have sex with those children but he does say he did a lot. what went through your mind? >> when a piece of work he is, a re-gant. if he thinks he's going to take the stan and call at least eight, up to 19 children all liars and the eyewitnesses, adult whose watched him literally rape a child, they're all liars, too? everyone's a liar except him, right? silliness. here's when he did that hurts his case and he's trying to influence the court of public opinion, he's a little weird, he's not a rapist, good luck with that. he made his case worse, i touched their thighs, i'm naked in the shower with them, hugging boys who are naked in the shower about tu wasn't sexual. what did he say back in 1998? he's recorded by police talking to one of the victim's mothers in 1998 about a shower incident, two different boys involved in a shower incident where he's doing the same thing, naked, hugging them, touching them, right? he said i was wrong, i feel terrible. you -- i wish you would forgive me. i want to kill myself. so which is it? which is it? should you kill yourself for showering naked because you feel terrible that you are doing something sexual, or was it horse play? he's created an inconsistent statement of great magnitude that will be used against him in this case and hurt his case. >> and if he's guilty, then i'm not terribly concerned what kind of legal advice he's getting but as someone who has covers a lot of trials i could not figure out why his attorney let him do that, let him say those things. nuts? >> well you, know, john, you know john, sometimes defense attorneys think it's cool to take the fifth, right? assert your right to remain silent with the cops and don't testify in front of the grand jury but find a friendly reporter, get your story out that way because you can infect the jury pool in a way that's favorable to you. first, that rubs people the wrong way. if you want to manipulate us and tell us your story, you should be telling your story to the cop so it doesn't really work. what kind of defense attorney lets a guy who is facing 40 counts say anything? there is nothing he can say to make this case better. it is only going to be worse. i think his lawyer made a grand mistake here. i wouldn't be surprise if he ends up getting fired because it was a very bad move. >> sarah, one of the things sandusky's lawyer said, they have found victim number two, allegedly raped, by sandusky there in the showers. what is your reporting? what are they saying on campus about that? >> i think that was the biggest news of the interview, to be honest with you. john, i thought the fact that the prosecutors say they haven't found victim number two but sandusky and his attorney have, and then that his attorney said that not only have they found victim number two, but it's a defense that that boy is a defense witness, that he says nothing bad or sexual or wrong ever happened in that shower. so you know, i think that prosecutors will probably come back and say, experts i talked to said, they have to go to great lengths to verify this person that he say was victim number two really is victim number two. and that remains to be seen. i think we'll have to be patient about that. i thought that was the biggest news of the interview. >> sarah, wendy, appreciate your help on this dramatic and disgusting sore story. penn state's football team has a shot at big ten championship and a major bowl game, if you care about the history of the program. should they go? 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>> did joe paterno have any information regarding objectionable activities on your part prior to that report in 2002? >> my -- i can't totally answer that question. my answer would be no. >> did joe paterno, at any time, ever speak to you directly about your behavior? >> no. >> never? >> no. >> he never asked you about what you might have done? he never asked you if you needed help if you needed counselling? >> no, no. >> never expressed disapproval of any kind? >> no. >> now jerry sandusky's a criminal defendant, maybe he's not to be believed. but if a crumb of that is to be believed, this -- he was joe paterno's right hand guy for 32 years. joe paterno was told by a graduate assistant, i saw a young child being raped in our showers, coach. never talked to him about it, never confronted him, whether as a friend saying you need help or outraged coach and a demigod on campus? >> i have a problem with that as well. i understand that a lot of people, john, are saying this -- you're in a twitter verse media society now and people are going to rush to judgment on things before anybody's found guilty. well, i thought that jerry sandusky might be guilty when his employer of 32 years never issued a word of support after the grand jury report came out and joe paterno, in his own statement, said this is one of the great sorrows in his life and if he could have done more he wished he would have. joe paterno's already copped to he knew something already. >> for paterno, of course, he has modeled himself as you well know as an educator. he's talked about it's more than just football. so obviously it's bad no matter who he is, but you throw in the library's named after paterno, he's put himself on a high pedestal it's even worse if in fact he did nothing. >> help me, we've talked about this internally in our staff meetings all week, and bob costas and brian williams got at it a bit last night. sandusky retires at 55, he's a legend in the game, one of the great defensive coordinators in football and never gets another job, which tells me, somebody knew, that either he cut a deal with penn state he wouldn't work again or every time a school called and said we're going to hire sandusky, somebody at penn state said get away. >> if somebody at penn state did that diligence, if somebody at penn state, why count they have do that with the police? that's what everybody's thinking. if you were mag nam us in enough and to call a school and say, stay away from this guy, he's bad news, why can't you make sure that any children that were hurt after the kid in 2002 were safe, and report him to the police. >> listen to jerry sandusky's lawyer, we had a legal expert on who thinks coach sandusky is digging his hole deeper, listen to his lawyer. you spent a lot of time around the culture of sports. if you listen to this, it's a parallel universe. >> jerry sandusky is a big, overgrown kid. he's a jock. for anybody who has ever played sports you get showers after you work out. i mean when people hear he got showers with kids, my goodness, you know, he got showers with kids, that make him guilty, right? anybody who gets a shower with a kid who is an adult has to be guilty of something. but the bottom line is jock dozen that. they kid around, horse around. >> no, jocks don't do that. >> maybe the quarterback and the wide receiver are slapping each other with towels in the shower. we're talking about here, allegations are 10-year-old boy. they're not playing football for penn state. they have no reason to be at penn state other than the fact jerry sandusky's invited them. what a reprehensible argument to be making. i think it takes another slap at the victims all over again. the culture of football is something to discuss. the culture of football has nothing to do with what that lawyer was talking about. >> i'm in agreement. >> as someone who spends a lot of time around the culture, most of these are athletes who, yeah, locker rooms can be different, crass, but they're not places where little kids get raped. >> i think anybody that -- being a new father, anybody that showers with their son over three, four years old or if you're in a shower with anybody but your son, and he's 10, that's strange behavior. that's not regular behavior. >> what now? this is not a sports story. this is much bigger than that. you feel for the athletes at penn state who went to what they thought was a great program. but we talked about this, mike, the other night. you