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is it just nauseating? joining me now, a man who thought he was the perfect person to ask about private equity. donald trump. how are you? >> hello, piers. >> congratulations on a thrilling finale to "celebrity apprentice" and may i say arsenio was a top choice. >> he is. he's a great guy like you. he's a winner like you. we're proud of him. we know he was on your show recently. he is terrific and he's done really well. >> we'll come back to that later. i want to talk to you about this whole bain capital, mitt romney, barack obama row. i want to talk about the basis of this debate. whether the record at bain capital was predominantly a good one or a bad one. >> it wasn't a good one. it was a great one. he did so well, actually, that he set records over there. that's what we need in this country. when you look at what every country is doing to us. we need somebody with this ability. his record was great. he did an amazing job. look at solyndra and some of the deals this country has been making over the last couple years. it's disgraceful. mitt romney should be in favor of what's going on. when he shows his record, it's a great record. and compare that with what's going on in this country, it's a different world. >> isn't one of the problems here that people like you and newt gingrich who are now racing to support mitt romney over this battle have in the past attacked him for his record at bain. >> well, i've been supporting him for a long time. i certainly just started over this. because this was just brought up. this is a new idea they have. i mean, they have to stretch for ideas because the administration has been a disaster for the country. every country is ripping us. every country is ripping us like never before. it was interesting. i brought up the country of colombia. partners. partners like this we don't need enemies. colombia, i'm not knocking them. their representatives did a better job than ours. but they made $4 billion on us. china's going to make $350 billion. so we need somebody who knows about business, about negotiating, about what's happening. otherwise we're not going to have a country left. >> let me play you two clips. one is from president obama on what he says is the crux of this debate. >> if your main argument for how to grow the economy is i knew how to make a lot of money for investo investors, then you're missing what this job is about. >> he's clearly setting his whole stall here on what he reckons romney was doing at bain. and i want to play you a clip from an interview you gave to cnn's candy crowley last year march 2011. >> mitt romney is a basically small business guy if you really think about it. he was a hedge fund. he was a fund guy. he walked away with some money from a very good company he didn't create. he worked there. he didn't create. >> did create companies. >> yeah, well. by companies he closed companies. he'd get rid of jobs. okay? >> now, see, that donald is what barack obama is saying. yes mitt romney may have made profits for his investors but he closed down companies and cost a lot of americans their jobs. and the private equity game can be brutal in that respect. therefore for mitt romney to use it for one of the better trump over obama is wrong. >> when candy asked me that question which is bigger in terms of a business. that was her question. i think it was a fair question. also at that time, i didn't know too much about mitt romney. i didn't know him. i had never met him. as i got to know him, i realize he's a terrific guy. he's done a terrific job. i started looking into deals that he's done. they have been amazing deals. you look at staples and so many other companies that have been created. without him they wouldn't have been created. i got to know a lot about him. so much so i decided i like this guy. i can see myself endorsing him because i'd rather have it that way. i think he'll do terrifically. his question is not the question you're asking. it was a different question. >> it all comes down to the issue of private equity. when you have america in the state it's in at the moment, $13 trillion in debt and people looking at congress to blame for this. look at me. i made a load of money for investors if at the same time by doing so not in every case but quite a few he had to shut companies down, lay people off, cost america jobs. i know it's not as simple as that. is it the right battle ground for mitt romney, you think? >> we're not 13 or 14 trillion in debt, we're $16 trillion in debt and going up rapidly. this is an exploding time bomb. i think this is a fair question to ask. look at some of the deals that have been made and they've been terrible deals. we're talking about the solar panels, so many other things. we're talking about not letting us get the energy that's right under our feet. we can't take it out and get it. so we're making opec richer than they are. we need somebody who has great compassion which mitt romney has. socially he has great compassion. he's also a great businessman. that's what we need. >> in a presidential battle like this, we saw cory booker get in trouble by appearing to disagree with president obama by saying it was nauseating he felt to attack mitt romney over bain. putting that to one side, people are saying this is too vicious. you've always believed in the rough and tumble of opposition of opponents, beating people and so on. do you think it's too vicious or do you think this is part and parcel of american political life? >> first of all, i know cory booker. he's a terrific guy. he's doing a good job in newark. it's not an easy job. he is doing a good job. what he said the first time was 100% correct. then, of course, i can imagine the wrath came down upon him and when it came down, he changed his tune quite a bit. but he's a good man. what he said the first time was true. and i'm sure he would tell you that if you were just sitting there having a beer together. that's one of those things. but cory booker is -- what he said was really accurate. the fact is if you're going to be getting nasty, then the other side has to get nasty. and if you remember john mccain who's a wonderful man, john mccain did not want to go all the way. he did not want to get -- they left a lot of things out. i can name them, but what's the purpose of naming them? obama is attacking mitt romney very hard. and in the case of, i think and many people think, very unfairly. i think the republicans have to fight fire with fire. i've always felt that. we can't be nice like we were four years ago and expect this to happen. it's going to be a tough race. it's going to be a close race. i think mitt romney's going to be an amazing candidate. i think not only an amazing candidate but an amazing president. but to become president, i think you have to fight the fire with fire. they're being very tough on him. and i see we're already -- the republicans are pulling back. they don't want to throw all their punches. i think you have to throw all your punches. those punches are going to be thrown at you. and piers, i think you know that better than anybody. >> yeah. certainly know what you're getting at. i think the issue you're talking about which you don't really want to name, but i'm guessing is the issue of reverend wright who of course was so closely aligned to president obama. now, are you saying that it would be fair game to go after president obama based on his association with that man? >> well, a book was just written by a great writer named ed kline. and the book strongly says and in fact it's not even the book because i heard the tapes and the tapes were played all over the television where essentially reverend wright is calling president obama a liar. now, are the republicans going to use that tape or not going to use it? you tell me. but they're calling him a liar. so it'll be interesting to see what happens. i think it's going to be a nasty campaign. but if it's going to be nasty, it's got to be nasty on both sides not just one. >> the democrats have already said that it wouldn't be fair to go after mitt romney for his religion, his faith, he's a mormon. but clearly if reverend wright comes into play and is deemed to be fair game, wouldn't it be also fair game to go after mitt romney for his religion? >> i think the democrats will use whatever they can use regardless of whether or not reverend wright is brought up. if you look at the tapes they're devastating for the president. reverend wright is an angry man. he's extremely angry at the president. he thinks he was dumped. and he says things that are very, very strong. i see nothing wrong using it. it's not even old news. it's new news. i see nothing wrong with using it. if everybody in the ideal world sat back and debated the real issues, that's one thing. a lot of things will be brought up which are going to be very, very unfair. if they're going to be unfair on one side, then the republicans have to act accordingly. but reverend wright is on tape saying lots of interesting and very bad things. i see nothing wrong with the republicans using that. >> let's take a short break, donald. come back and talk more about politics. want to know what you think about the potential aspect of vice president trump. and also why you think sacha baron cohen is a talentless dud. sarah... will you marry me? 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>> no i think it's cute and fun. everyone knows it's fun. you know, mitt romney, if you look at his record not only was great at bain, but he saved the olympics. they put him in, he didn't just go in there. he went in to save it. the olympics were going to be a disaster and they turned out to be a tremendous success. and he went in there and did an amazing job. because that was really getting close to be being a catastrophic situation. mitt romney has been an amazing guy when it comes to not only companies but even the olympics. that was one of his great achievements. >> joe biden today says, i'm just reading this now, working in private equity no more qualifies you to be president than being a plumber. just because he could run a private equity firm doesn't qualify him to be president. what do you think of that argument? >> well, look. we have a president that's in there right now that had very little experience. he was a street organizer in chicago. there are those who say he was controlled by mayor daley. what sophisticated deal maker would without a wink say okay, i'm going over to europe to get the olympics and then come in fourth place? as the president of the united states. what you say is if you tell me we're getting the olympics, i will go. but i'm not going to embarrass myself by going. well, i assume he didn't get that little assurance. now, the reason he did it was because he was probably right -- i don't want to say in the pocket of because that's not respectful, but he comes out of the whole daley situation. and when mayor daley was the mayor of chicago, i guess he said i want you to go over and get us the olympics. but honestly, what president -- we're talking about a president. we're not talking about somebody else. will go over there, make the plea for the olympics and come in third or fourth place? it was an embarrassment and i think it was terrible frankly. so when joe biden talks about, you know, somebody doesn't have the experience, in theory he shouldn't have the experience because he was in college and he got caught plagiarizing. that's copying somebody's papers. we should say he shouldn't be vice president. probably shouldn't have been allowed to continue in school. >> let me ask you a couple of quick questions, donald, while you're so fired up in this wonderful mood. first of all, is there any prospect or chance of you considering being vice president if mitt romney asked you what would you say? >> so many people have asked me that question lately. i did do great in the polls. i loved doing it. i had a lot of fun. the reason i got out was because i started to like him and i thought he could do a great job. but i would do anything i could to help the country. the country is in serious trouble. i would do anything i could to help the country. we are being laughed at by the world. i go to other nations and i look at their airports then i come home to new york and new jersey and i look at airports that are falling down. you go to lax in los angeles, we're like third world country right now. so i would do anything i could to help the country. >> including saying yes to v.p. if he asked you? >> well, i don't think he's going to ask me, but certainly i have a very strong base of people that do like what i say. i don't know if they like me, but i think they respect me which is much more important. and i think they like what i'm saying. this country has tremendous potential. and if we use that potential, if we know what we're doing, we can be bigger and better than before. the way we're going right now we're going to be the opposite. we're going to be over. >> have you been asked to speak at the republican convention this summer and if so will you say yes if you are? >> well, a lot of people have been asking me whether or not i'd be interested in doing it. i hadn't thought in terms of speaking at the republican convention, but i have been helpful to mitt. i was one of his early endorsements at a critical stage. i think he's a terrific guy. i'm honored by it. i think his wife is a fantastic woman. and if somebody asked me, i guess it's certainly something i would consider. i'm not a politician. i frankly will be speaking at the north carolina republican convention on june 1st and they've asked me to do that. i just made a big investment in north carolina, bought a big job in north carolina that's terrific formerly known as the point. now it's trump national. and i look forward to being there. but if they ask me, look, i want to do whatever's good for the republican party, whatever's good for mitt romney. i think he will be a great president. >> there was a tweet today that intrigued me. glad to see sacha baron cohen's movie is not only a dud but not good at the box office. he is talentless. what do you have against him? >> i don't like what he did to ryan seacrest. he dumped all sorts of ashes and everything during the academy awards and he got publicity. i thought the security guards were totally incompetent. the guy standing there. this big dumb ox. he's standing there. oh, please, yould you please move forward. believe me, if that happened to me, it wouldn't be so nice. we all go down fighting because that shouldn't have happened. and i thought that was a disgrace and i'm just not a fan of his. i don't think he's funny. i don't think he's talented. when he did that to ryan seacrest who is a great guy, i wish the security people took proper action which would have been laying him out all over the floor. that would have been very appropriate. >> finally, are you recruiting for the next "celebrity apprentice?" ? >> yes. we have a lot of people wanting on. frankly we have probably five for every slot we have. everybody wants to be in. the first year it wasn't that easy. people didn't want to be fired. whether it's any of them, their brands have really been helped. we had a big finale a couple days ago. i'd say we have a winner this year. arsenio hall was a good winner. we do have a lot of people that want on. we're going to have surprises. >> i think you chose well. clay is a great contestant. he's a good guy. thanks for joining me. >> thank you very much, piers. coming up, gregg allman is no angel. tonight he tells all. the marriages, the music, the drugs. how he's still rocking after all these years. plus a surprise announcement. okay, team! after age 40, we can start losing muscle -- 8% every 10 years. wow. wow. but you can help fight muscle loss with exercise and ensure muscle health. i've got revigor. what's revigor? 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