0 doctors cannot provide health care they expect to be able to give. >> shefali luthra, who has been following this closely at the 19th, a very reliable source of reporting on this. thank you. >> thanks for having -- >> that is all in on this wednesday night. alex wagner tonight starts than that is "all in" on this wednesday night. alex wagner tonight begins right now. >> i just want to say, i think your last block is so important, and the fact that we are finally telling stories about women's sacrifices and suffering, it's so shameful that it has to happen under these aus miss, but the fact that we can finally tell these stories about the difficulties women face in motherhood, in child bearing, the health access that they are denied, it is so important and so critical so thank you for doing that, on behalf of all women. >> well, you're welcome. but yes, i mean, the point about taking the abstract, they're not product experiments, it is real human lives, real people's lives ap i think public opinion is -- and i think public opinion is more on the side of common sense on these questions than the republican party and we'll see if that place out. we'll see indeed. my friend, i miss you in the studio. come back soon. >> i will. >> thanks for joining us this hour. tonight, as donald trump's former vice president considers talk together january 6th investigation, his former lawyer testified before an atlanta grand jury, and his ling time cfo prepares to plead guilty and turn on the trump organization. but despite the president's considerable legal woes he can't seem to find any qualified attorneys to represent him. carol lennon joins us live. and then we go down to florida, where republican governor ron desantis has soerded some new lessons for the start of school this week. revisionist history and christian nationalism. new yorker writer and dean of the columbia journalism school, jalon cobb will be in the studio to discuss. and president biden canceled student debt for thousands who are ripd off for a for profit college chain promising jobs of the future that never arrived. we start tonight in mounting investigations into the former president of the united states. after last night's election in wyoming, donald trump appears poised to gain some allies in congress. but it comes as trump is quickly losing friends, basically anywhere else. today trump's former vice president mike pence said we consider talking to the january 6th committee. >> if they were to call you to the committee to come and testify, would you be agreeable. >> well, if there was an invitation to participate, i would consider. it any invitation that would be directed to me, i would have to reflect on the unique role that i was serving then as vice president, if there is ever any formal invitation, we could give it due consideration. >> the former vice president's potential willingness to testify before the january 6th committee comes after his chairman bennie thompson told nbc news last week that depositions continue on an almost daily basis and that investigators spoke to pretty much every senior person in the trump cabinet and for the most part they have all indicated a willingness to talk to the committee. well, okay now. that's more trump allies signaled that willingness, other member was administration are being subpoenaed by the department of justice as part of its own investigation into january 6th. yesterday, we learned that former white house lawyer eric herbman has been subpoenaed to testify before the grand jury in that investigation and if that name sounds familiar, he is the one with the eclectic wall art who gave expletive laden testimony to the january 6th committee about the white house effort to overturn the election. and "the new york times" has brand new reporting tonight that the justice department has subpoenaed the national archives for all trump white house documents that the agency previously turned over to the january 6th committee. according to the times, the grand jury subpoena, which was issued in may suggests that the justice department has not only been following the committee's lead in pursuing this inquiry, but also that prosecutors believe evidence of a crime may exist in the white house documents the archives turned over to the house panel. that is new tonight. and then, there is the other "other" trump administration also being conducted by the justice department, looking into trump's potential classified information mishandling at mar-a-lago. nine days after the documents were collected, the fbi team is still sifting through the documents to determine which ones are covered by executive privilege and which ones are relevant to the investigation. this comes after we learned that two top trump white house lawyers, pat cipollone, and pat philbin have been interviewed as part of the d.o.j. investigation into trump's removal of the documents. "the wall street journal" reports that investigators have also reached out to several other trump aides who had knowledge of record-keeping practices including trump's white house assistant. and then there is a totally separate trump investigation being conducted in fulton county, georgia. today, trump's attorney, rudy giuliani, testified for over six hours before a special grand jury in that investigation. once rudy giuliani managed to get through the door of the fulton county courthouse. a federal judge in new mexico also ordered trump lawyer john eastman who of course advocated pressuring the vice president to overturn the results of the election, he has been ordered to testify before the same grand jury by the end of the month. and don't forget about senator lindsey graham who has also been order bid a judge to testify before the same grand jury, in fulton county, and finally, is your head spinning yet, because mine certainly is, there is the criminal investigation here in new york, where tomorrow, trump's long-time cfo, allen weisselberg is expected to plead guilty to tax fraud and other crimes and as a condition of that plea weisselberg will have to testify as a witness in the case against trump's business. with this colossal legal drama, the former president is in desperate need of good legal help but as the "washington post" reports today, that expert legal help is not easy to find. here is the headline. trump is rushing to hire seasoned lawyers but he keeps hearing no. quote, former president donald trump and close aides have spent the eight days since the fbi searched his florida home rushing to assemble a home of respected defense lawyers, and the answer they keep hearing is no. instead, the president has had to rely on a c list team and honestly that may be kind of generous, a c list team of lawyers and one that includes a florida insurance lawyer who has never had a federal case, a past general counsel for a parking garage company, and a former host at far right one america news network. the former president of the united states is facing an unprecedented level of scrutiny over his numerous unprecedented actions against american democracy and national security, and most of the legal team he has assembled to defend himself looks straight, looks like they came straight out of a bus stop advertisement, and that is perhaps not being so fair to bus stop litigators. but what does it all mean for the former president and for the future of all the sprawling investigations? joining us now is carol letting, national reporter for the "washington post," one of the by lines on this story about the former president's difficulties in getting seasoned lawyers to represent him. carol, their for being here and listening to that roster of legal woes facing president trump, let's just start with the lawyers he has assembled. i think just looking at their cvs, the amount of inexperience is fairly staggering. how did this come to pass? >> well, as described to us, by sources, alex, the president, the former president, often is a reactive individual as a client and he is often trying to plug holes as crises arrive. or arise. and in this case, a lot of crises have been brewing and brewing and brewing, including the one that led to the search warrant at his home in mar-a-lago for many months. the problem is, until the tea kettle started to boil, donald trump didn't act. so he has the lawyers that are actually quite experienced in terms of having been federal prosecutors in the past, but he has quite a few legal advisers as well who have very limited to no experience before the federal bench, and that is a problem for the president. alan dershowitz told us, for our story, that the president, you may remember, alan dershowitz is a fan of donald trump's, he has said the president needs a top flight lawyer stat. and he should have had one for months, somebody who is nationally known, who has a track record of success, because right now, the president is facing legal jeopardy on at least four fronts as you perfectly summed up at the top of your show, and this one in mar-a-lago is on the front burner, but it is not the only problem that former president trump faces. >> i mean also, if you're a top flight legal mind, you might also look to see how other fellow top flight legal minds have faired working for donald trump. i mean ty cobb, a former lawyer for the president, now tweets about how much he hates donald trump. don mcgahn, was a star witness for the mueller investigation, pat sinema, and pat philbin, they're cooperating with the d.o.j.'s investigation. these are not people who are pledging fealty to donald trump and probably for good reason and i'm sure those are all data points that act as deterrents for other lawyers who may be considering representing the former president. >> well, absolutely. well summed. don mcgahn ultimately became a witness for four extraordinary and overwhelming instances of obstruction, you know, criminal obstruction, by the sitting president of the united states. if he had not been the sitting president, the department of justice would have normally indicted a person with the level of evidence that don mcgahn provided about how donald trump tried to derail a criminal investigation and avoid embarrassing information coming out about him. in the case of pat cipollone, there's really not a lawyer who wasn't a bigger fan of donald trump, and wanted to help him achieve his agenda, was proud and honored to become his white house counsel. and has now left with some disgust after january 6th and after watching the president repeatedly in office reject his sound advice that you cannot claim the election was rigged when there is no evidence of it. you cannot seize voting machines every run election, mr. president, when we don't have any evidence that they should be, and martial law is not warranted in this instance. you know, all of these people tried to give him good counsel, let's add bill barr to the mix, his attorney general. >> right. >> who repeatedly told him, we investigated all of this, and there's nothing here, sir, all of them found this client unusually difficult and rejecting facts and evidence. >> i mean it bears mentioning that the team of legals he has assembled at present aren't just unseasoned lawyers who represent a cross-fit and parking garages, you mentioned kash patel, former white house aide, is raising money for a legal defense fund by selling merchandise such as tank tops and beanies emblazoned by the logo k money sign h, meaning cash. this is a problem, everyone wants a goods lawyer and not one that is mnzing the hell out of a case but the president doesn't have a team to protect him anymore so it is actually meaningful in a way that it hasn't been before given the fact that he is out on his own and he is a normal guy now and he needs a good lawyer, i guess i wonder whether in your reporting there is a sense of an, an adequate sense of alarm from the confines the trump land over all of this. >> absolutely, there is, alex. it is such a good question. you know, what i heard over and over again was among the adults and again, it is a limited group but among the adults around dtd, there is great consternation and fear that he doesn't have the kind of sort of star legal beagle to lead him out of the thick ets, or at least to give him good advice for how to respond to the department of justice. incredible tern, concern, and that concern is growing for the last couple of months because remember this mar-a-lago search warrant, it has been brewing for month, the fight between the department of justice, and the trump team in mar-a-lago, over turning over all of the records to the national archives. turning over all of the records that, you know, were 234 , were in question, you have given us everything back, and lawyers and colleagues of donald trump, felt that he was essentially taunting department of justice, he was making decisions that ultimately led to this search at his home, instead of just turning over the records, which would have been fairly easy to do. i will also say there is a big problem, there are good lawyers working for donald trump, but some of them are now potentially compromised. legal experts that we've spoken to said that lawyers who tried to assert to the department of justice on donald trump's behalf that they turned, that he had turned over all the records, that was false, that information turned out to be false, and now those lawyers who made that assertion, made that claim, may end up being witnesses, who are conflicted, and unable to represent donald trump. that's really important and also a big bucket of problems for donald trump. >> a big bucket of problems. self created. it's not like he can't afford a lawyer. i will just say, contributions to trump's pac topped $1 million at least two days after the fbi raided mar-a-lago. so he can afford them. we know that. carol, "washington post" national reporter, thank you for making the time to be here tonight. >> thank you, alex. florida republican governor ron desantis is on a mission to change what is being taught in his state's public schools. >> obviously, in the classroom, we've battled a lot of ideologies. we're not going to let this state descend into some type of warped dumpster fire. >> we will go to florida where desantis' efforts to dismantle that so-called woke dumpster fire are alarming teachers and parents alike. due to lessons that now offer a revisionist history on things like slavery. new yorker staff writer and dean of the columbia school of journalism joins us live in the studio to break it all down. much more ahead. please stay with us. do you have a life insurance policy you no longer need? now you can sell your policy - even a term policy - for an immediate cash payment. we thought we had planned carefully for our retirement. but we quickly realized we needed a way to 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