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Alex Witt Reports

trump's claims? >> well, look. the supreme court never ruled on this exactly before, so, in that case, in that sense, you, know it's an uncharted territory legally. but most legal scholars think there's not very much of and arguments for the idea of blanket immunity, which is what he's claimed. because the consequences of that are so enormous. the idea that it's one thing to say you can't prosecute a president who is currently in office. that's why the impeachment clause for to get him out of office, and, you can prosecute them. that's relatively, you know, there's a lot of people who believe that the justice department takes that position. that's -- in court, either. the idea have no complete immunity after you leave office, you can never be charged with anything, it's a bit of a sweeping statement that even conservative legal scholars finds to be rather extreme. given that this is supreme court, with three of his own appointees, has repeatedly rebuffed him, for instance, when he has said he is immune from having to release taxes. it's hard to imagine that they then say okay, but you're immune from all criminal liability for leaving office if

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CNN NewsNight With Abby Phillip

from which this nation might never recover. >> it's the opening of a pandora's box. it's a very sad thing that's happened with this whole situation. when they talk about a threat to democracy, that's your real threat to democracy. >> today, trump's lawyers talked a lot about their newest race and what he's not guilty of anything at all. and it's blanket immunity. and they took it to extremes about what it would allow a president to do. >> i asked you a yes or no question. could a price again who ordered seal team six to assassinate a political rival, who was not come paged, would he be subject to criminal prosecution? >> if he were impeached and convicted first -- >> so your answer is no. >> my answer is qualified, yes. >> but let's be real. as any of this even legal theory? do trump's lawyers really think

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CNN NewsNight With Abby Phillip

happens that you don't like, what is to stop you to go on air to say those same things? it's going to create a lot of unnecessary dissension. i >> don't know if and you can take that there's a blanket immunity for those types of things if you're not pat mcafee, real quick jamele what is going through bob iger's head right now? he recruited pat mcafee, these are two of his networks. >> you have to think on some level, there was some of this that he expected. i don't think he expected in this form. he probably did not expect aaron rodgers to single-handedly launch this kind of, de defame one of his biggest personalities of the network, in jimmy kimmel. or however you want to look at it. telling on talent crime, is very frowned upon. what he is hoping is that after this week, this will die down, and aaron rodgers stays a way

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CNN NewsNight With Abby Phillip

so they can make those decisions without worrying about what's going to happen when the administration changes hands. but it's definitely not going to be a blanket immunity, that anything and everything you did while you're in office is untouchable. i don't think the courts are going to go for that. >> to be continued. tim, thank you very much for joining us. >> thank you. >> and join me now for the big picture, legendary journalist carl bernstein. charles, you are in the thick of watergate and a witness to nixon's absolutist view of power. that if a president does it, it's not illegal. is what you heard today in court from trump's lawyers, essentially, as we've been discussing, more than nixon even imagined? >> it was preposterous. as your earlier guest just pointed out. and polite language. but i think we've got to take a look at what's really going on here. and nobody understand it better than donald trump.

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CNN NewsNight With Abby Phillip

the courts will buy an argument that he can shoot someone on fifth avenue as president and just get away with it? or is this an elaborate game of delay and distract? let's talk about all of this with tim parlatore, he's a former lawyer for trump who knows a little something about getting an earful from his client. tim, do think there is anything that was said today that the supreme court will agree with, that basically that president can't do anything? there is a broad presidential power to do anything without any criminal consequence? >> i don't think that argument is going to fly, either with the circuit or the supreme court. just the blanket immunity. i would expect that the circuit, if they don't outright dismisses the appeal on tomlin's issues, i think

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The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle

proceeding, but given he is the front runner for the republican nomination and his legal team's strategy is delay, delay, delay, you get why he might be interested in being there. just after nine a.m. this morning, trump's motorcade arrived at the courthouse, just steps away from the capital and the scene of the jarry six riot. he joined his lawyers at the table not far from jack smith's table, from justice department. this hearing was all about donald trump's claim that he should get blanket immunity for from criminal prosecution for allegedly trying to steal the 2020 presidential election. according to trump's lawyers, unless he was impeached and convicted, presidential immunity would extend to having his political rivals assassinated. nbc's laura jarrett has all the details. >> tonight, a ruling expected anytime. the federal appeals court appeared deeply schedule skeptical today of donald trump's efforts to derail the

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CNN NewsNight With Abby Phillip

make those decisions without worrying about what's gonna happen when the administration changes hands. but it's definitely not gonna be a blanket immunity that anything and everything you did while you were an office is untouchable. i don't think the courts are going to go for that. >> reporter: to be continued, tim, thank you very much for joining us. thank you. >> reporter: joining me now for the big picture here is legendary journalist carl bernstein, carl, you are in the thick of watergate and a witness to nixon's absolutist view on power. that if a president does it, it's not illegal. is what you heard today in court from trump's lawyers -- i mean essentially, as we've been discussing, more nixonian than even nixon imagined. it was preposterous. as your earlier guests just pointed out in polite language. but i think we should look at what's really going on here and nobody understands it better than donald trump. his potential nightmare, what could really stand between him and seeking and running, and succeeding at winning the

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The 11th Hour With Stephanie Ruhle

headquarters right here in new york city. today, donald trump showed up in person at a d. c. courthouse for the most important hearing so far in his federal election interference case. keep in mind, he did not have to be at the appeals court proceeding, but given he is the front runner for the republican nomination and his legal team's strategy is delay, delay, delay, you get why he might be interested in being there. just after nine a. m. this morning, trump's motorcade arrived at the courthouse, just steps away from the capital and the scene of the january 6th riot. he joined his lawyers at the table not far from jack smith's table, from the justice department. this hearing was all about donald trump's claim that he should get blanket immunity for from criminal prosecution for allegedly trying to steal the 2020 presidential election. according to trump's lawyers, unless he was impeached and convicted, presidential immunity would extend to having his political rivals

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CNN NewsNight With Abby Phillip

those same things? it's just going to create a lot of unnecessary dissension. >> reporter: i don't know if anybody can take that there's a blanket immunity for those types of things if you're not pat mcafee, but real quick, jamele, what is going through bob iger's head right now? he recruited pac mcafee. these are two of his networks. you have to think on some level there was some of those that he expected. i don't think he expected it in this form. he probably did not expect aaron rodgers to single-handedly launch this kind of defamatory -- to defame one of his biggest personalities on the network, or come close to, and how everyone to look at it. a talent on telegram, as you know in bid networks, is very frowned upon, okay? so i think right now is what he's hoping, is that after this week, it will die down and aaron rodgers stays away from jimmy kimmel so to speak in terms of talking about him that maybe this is the last of it, it will run its course, and everything will sort of go back to as normal as they can. but they're a lot of important presidents that were set here

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