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coming. the idea that the messaging, i think the biden administration has this as well, we're saying don't come. the messaging doesn't always filter down. i mean, there are smugglers out there who are telling people who are looking for relief one thing about the policies here. there's social media tiktok posts which i was reading about in the times, which purports title 42 is lifted, anyone can come in, they're accepting migrants. the message from the united states is not getting filtered down. if you want to make the message that the country is not open to you, how do you make sure that people hear it? >> a few points on that, one is the ironic nature of the governors in certain states saying the border is open, so obviously that's sending a different message than the biden administration. the second point is we can't tell people who are actually in danger and eligible for asylum not to come. the third point, i just want to go back to family separation for a second. when i talk to mothers who said, you know, they lost their child.
administration policies like the asylum bans. those are cases that i argued back under the trump administration. we were successful. president biden said he would not renew those. now he's going there again, and one of the things that i think is happening, and you touched on in the beginning is that the human dimension of this is being lost in statistics and abstract policy arguments. these are desperate people and you pointed out that there's a lot of hunger in poverty, and that's true. unfortunately, those people will not qualify for asylum. anybody who thinks that having an asylum system means everyone who's hungry or poor gets to come in, that's not true. only people who are in real danger. we have to have an asylum system. the other point you made, which i think is critical, is the politics. the biden administration is waiting until the last minute each time to try and put in place a system. they have had two years now to put an asylum system in place. we have the resources. no one is saying we don't want
the system to be more efficient. it has to be fair. they have had two years to do this, and now at the last minute, they're recycling short circuited policies. >> secretary mayorkas held a very lengthy briefing with reporters at the white house today, and he said this is not just a crisis at our border, there's 20 million displaced people who are seeking shelter or a new life to the south of us. we talked about the convergence of these crises, the pandemic, the recession. >> right. >> the war in ukraine, how it's feeding hunger, what we didn't mention is how it's feeding a cycle of violence, and you mentioned how hunger is not an asylum, not something you can use to claim asylum, but violence is. >> right. >> and a lot of these people are fleeing that. i wonder, is the biden administration doing anything to work with other countries to make sure that people are resettled so that they can find some stability elsewhere and maybe stop the influx all the way up here? >> i think they're claiming to
on to the streets. when title 42 lifts, it will be new restrictions put in place. the biden administratio wants to raise the bar. if you cross to a country, on your way to a southern boarder and didn't claim asylum there, you could be eligible when you get to the united states. the question is numbers. cities like el paso get overwhelmed at border patrol facilities. they release them on the streets. if mexico won't take them back and there's no room in city shelters and no room in border patrol, where will these people go? and that's really what they're wrestling with now as they try to alleviate what could be a serious issue with overcrowding and a burden on cities like el paso. >> julia, let me ask you about politics, how does politics play into what we have been seeing? is there a desire to actually get an agreement done or is this something that's a better
court, and that's what's happening now. finally, they're able to lift title 42, even though the courts held it in place for so long. there's been a big build up and as far as the politics and the campaigns go, the biden administration has gotten dinged on both sides of the ail for their immigration policies and i think they have made a market shift. in fact, we asked the border patrol chief about this yesterday. yes, if you notice we're getting tougher on asylum and tougher on immigrants and tougher at the border, you're supposed to be noticing that. that's intentional. >> thank you very much. and you can see in the video that we have been showing all day long through the past week, in fact, how el paso is grappling with the growing number of people seeking asylum. it's not just those kinds of cities. here in new york, mayor adams says there's so many migrants, he has been forced to loosen rules around shelters, and now he's trying to bus migrants north to ease capacity here.
so rising costs create no less than a culinary catastrophe. we'll keep you posted. that does it for us this hour. make sure to joining us for "chris jansing reports" every weekday, 1:00 to 3:00 p.m. eastern, our coverage continues with "katy tur reports" right now. >> good to be with you, i'm katy tur. there are tens of thousands of people gathered along the southern border hoping to claim asylum at midnight, because that is when title 42 ends. despite pronouncements from the biden administration that the border is not open, thousands upon thousands will try their luck. they say they have no choice. hunger, violence, and poverty have long been driving factors behind mass migration, but the sheer number of people making their way to our southern border is hitting historic highs now
political talking point, campaign talking point than solution? >> well, you know, katy, so few politicians have ever attempted to really answer the problem that's happening behind me, and that's when it comes to asylum. a lot of the border immigration reform proposals that get floated in congress have to deal with legalizing immigrants who are already in the united states or adding additional border security measures. they don't handle what happens when someone arrives right here and tries to claim asylum in the united states. which is their international right. how do we process it. do we take them all in. again, international rights, really hard to deal with those numbers. that started happening in 2014 under the obama administration, and so far no one has had a great solution to. we see piecemeal approaches from all different administrations in terms of who can be detained, can families be detained, can you separate children, which is what the trump administration did. can you raise the bar on what it means to claim asylum. all of this gets sent off to
in a parking garage. others are sleeping in a place station in chicago, and this all comes even ahead of the lifting of title 42 later tonight. but here is rockland county, new york, local officials say they plan to keep fighting mayor eric adams plan, no word on whether he might back off on that plan, but it goes to show you, the intense nature of this immigration debate as it spills into suburban counties. back to you. >> gabe gutierrez, thank you very much. joining me is the aclu's deputy director of immigration rights project. lee, it's good to have you here. you were the lead lawyer on the title 42 challenge. how do you feel now that we're hours away from it being lifted? >> this should have been a moment for the united states to reset, rejoin the rest of the world and have a new asylum system or regain our footing on asylum and now we're in a situation where the biden administration is looking at recycling other trump
right. if we want to talk about revising border policy, then let's talk about it. let's not have this pretense that this is about covid. even the states didn't claim that there was really a risk of covid from this, and so he called it out. he said that those are separate things, covid policy under this public health law, and that has long since expired. there's border policy, and the two are very different, and states are coming in and using this public policy as a pretext to come in and tried to have a anti-asylum policy. as you know, title 42 might seem technical and abstract, but it's having enormous impact on the ground. there's real human guys, i think that the abject policy arguments are blurring, our partners have documented thousands of cases. we're talking about families of little children directly into the hands of cartels. the federal court of appeal say that it's like having these families walk directly into harm. >> it just seems like a failure in every direction. it's not stopping voting
then the supreme court -- and keep this thing in place. the one covid restriction we support, keep in place until we can present arguments in february, kick the can down the road, and five conservative justices said yes. the one notable exception, gorsuch, who sided with ketanji brown jackson, this is the same thing. the current border crisis is not a covid crisis. we are not policy makers of last resort, he seems to be calling out his colleagues for the manifest bad faith it takes to grant this, when nothing else from the covid era remains in place, had you read? >> i think that's right, i think that he put it exactly right. if we want to talk about revising border policy, then let's talk about it. let's not have this pretense that this is about covid. even the states didn't claim that there was really a risk of covid from this, and so he