you join us from qatar. tell us more about this possible news that the ceasefire could be extended beyond the four days?— the four days? well, i think it is a very promising — the four days? well, i think it is a very promising and _ the four days? well, i think it is a very promising and important - the four days? well, i think it is a i very promising and important piece of news. we hope that it does fall. you could see the benefit already from the few days of ceasefire. it has given the palestinians a badly needed respite from one of the most vicious attacks on civilian areas ever. and it has also helped the israeli families recover their relatives. and in fact it has brought into question the whole need for killing 15,000 people, to go back to square one, where hamas has originally proposed an exchange of prisoners for prisoners. and just to illustrate one important point which may be was missed earlier on in your report, the palestinian prisoners were largely children and women as well, they were not high value political prisoners that were released by israel, and again, it helped to focus people's mind here is to the main issue, and that is, this protracted conflict between israel and the palestinians, where israel and the palestinians, where israel seems to have a free hand in detaining young people, women, often without a charge, and take them tactically the equivalent of hostages within israeli prisons. and as you may have noticed, over the last four days, they've released around 117 young men and women and they've detained almost 200 during they've detained almost 200 during the same period from the west bank. so, this is an ongoing problem, i think, that requires much greater political will to resolve it, but nevertheless, these exchanges at least have helped the ceasefire, which is very welcome. you least have helped the ceasefire, which is very welcome.- which is very welcome. you talk about a political— which is very welcome. you talk about a political solution, - which is very welcome. you talk about a political solution, we i which is very welcome. you talk i about a political solution, we have heard from some countries like jordan saying that there needs to be a permanent ceasefire, that looks unlikely, israel is saying that it wants to resume its military operation to take out hamas and to take away their capabilities, so, where do you see, particularly from where do you see, particularly from where you are sitting in qatar, the negotiations going, once the ceasefire, however long it goes on for, ends?— ceasefire, however long it goes on for, ends? ~ ~ , , for, ends? well, i think people must talk about the _ for, ends? well, i think people must talk about the end _ for, ends? well, i think people must talk about the end game _ for, ends? well, i think people must talk about the end game here. - for, ends? well, i think people must talk about the end game here. the l talk about the end game here. the status quo is unsustainable. this has been since 1967 occupied land and then since 2005, when is whale withdrew unilaterally from gaza, they placed it under the most strict siege ever, and it has really turned it into an open—air prison for 2.2 million people, and they keep on growing as a population. what israel has done in the last month or so, they have shrunk that area by a third, which is now under the operations occupied by the israeli military in the north of gaza, and expecting the palestinians to rebuild within that two thirds of the gaza strip, which i think will be practically impossible. the best way forward is to try and win the hearts and minds of the palestinians, the israelis cannot continue to use violence at the scale they've been using it and expect peace and security in return. someone has got to step in and push both parties towards a more sustainable outcome, which only can take place if there is a measure of justice being observed. and i agree with thejordanians, the two—state solution really is the only solution that restores dignity to the palace to a and security to the israelis. let me just ask you this, of course there is huge concern amongst many israelis about the fact that there are still many people being held hostage following the attacks by hamas on 7th october, what is the other way, hamas on 7th october, what is the otherway, if hamas on 7th october, what is the other way, if all the hostages are not released after this temporary ceasefire? ~ ., �* ~' ceasefire? well, i don't think there is any interest _ ceasefire? well, i don't think there is any interest amongst _ ceasefire? well, i don't think there | is any interest amongst palestinians to hold hostages indefinitely. i mean, they are no use to hamas, even. hamas was more concerned than israel about the safety and security of the hostages over the last month or so, and they have announced on many occasions that they are losing hostages because of the israeli bombardment, they have announced again more than once that they are willing to release all the foreign passport holders, the children and women, but there was no mechanism, there was no ability, there was no for them to do this safely. now i think the possibility of extending the ceasefire in exchange of ten hostages would probably offer both sides space to make sure at least all the civilians are returned to israel. when it comes to the hostages who are of military background, it is a very different story. and this is something that i think that has been mixed up in the western media, that all the hundred and 60 or so hostages being presented as innocent civilians, and that's not true. there is a good number of soldiers —— 260 —— who until recently were fighting and killing palestinians across the border with gaza and who i think a mass wood to differently and would expect in return for those much higher value political prisoners held in israel. and again, almost 7000 palestinian prisoners held in israel, very few of them have been subject to to the rule of court in israel. �* ., _, , ,, ., israel. and of course everyone who is bein: israel. and of course everyone who is being held _ israel. and of course everyone who is being held does _ israel. and of course everyone who is being held does want _ israel. and of course everyone who is being held does want to - israel. and of course everyone who is being held does want to go - israel. and of course everyone who is being held does want to go back| is being held does want to go back home. thank you very much for sharing your perspective on the story, professor sultan barakat. live now tojuliette touma, director of communications at unrwa. juliette isjoining me from amman. thank you very much forjoining us. can you bring us up—to—date on the situation on the ground in gaza right now when it comes to aid and where it is getting to? yes. right now when it comes to aid and where it is getting to?— right now when it comes to aid and where it is getting to? yes, we have seen an improvement _ where it is getting to? yes, we have seen an improvement in _ where it is getting to? yes, we have seen an improvement in the - where it is getting to? yes, we have| seen an improvement in the delivery of aid since the pause kicked in. on average there has been 200 trucks coming in, fuel is coming in, which is absolutely fundamental, and cooking gas, for the first time, we are also seeing the movement of humanitarian convoys to the northern part of the gaza strip for the first time since the war began more than 50 days ago, noting, though, that the bulk of the humanitarian needs are in the middle and in southern areas in particular. find are in the middle and in southern areas in particular.— are in the middle and in southern areas in particular. and in terms of the distribution _ areas in particular. and in terms of the distribution of— areas in particular. and in terms of the distribution of that, _ areas in particular. and in terms of the distribution of that, you - areas in particular. and in terms of the distribution of that, you talk. the distribution of that, you talk about the north, so, this is significant because you are now able to get much—needed aid to the north as well? to get much-needed aid to the north as well? , , , to get much-needed aid to the north aswell? , , , , as well? yes. this is considered indeed a breakthrough, - as well? yes. this is considered indeed a breakthrough, where l as well? yes. this is considered - indeed a breakthrough, where convoys are both from the united nations but also from the palestine red crescent, they are able to go through to the north and provide some assistance. having said that, there is an israeli forces inspection point before they reach people in need in the north, and we do hope that the pause extents, and with that extension, that flow of humanitarian assistance across the gaza strip continues. find humanitarian assistance across the gaza strip continues.— gaza strip continues. and in terms of fuel, gaza strip continues. and in terms of fuel. that _ gaza strip continues. and in terms of fuel, that is _ gaza strip continues. and in terms of fuel, that is something - gaza strip continues. and in terms of fuel, that is something that - gaza strip continues. and in terms of fuel, that is something that aid | of fuel, that is something that aid agencies have been in particular need of, especially when it comes to ensuring that hospitals can continue to function, how much has this latest consignment of fuel which has finally entered gaza the way that you are able to treat people who are in need of?— in need of? look, it's very positive. _ in need of? look, it's very positive. any _ in need of? look, it's very positive, any drops - in need of? look, it's very positive, any drops of- in need of? look, it's very positive, any drops of fuel in need of? look, it's very - positive, any drops of fuel coming into the gaza strip is positive, as you may remember, we had run out of food and at some point at unrwa which forced us to bring our humanitarian operation to a halt for a few days, and now with this breakthrough, with the delivery of fuel which we hope will be regular, we hope that this is not a one—off, we hope that this is not a one—off, we hope that this is not a one—off, we hope that this is notjust because of the pause, it's absolutely critical that fuel is getting into gaza for humanitarian purposes including like you said to medical facilities.— medical facilities. what more can ou tell medical facilities. what more can you tell us _ medical facilities. what more can you tell us about _ medical facilities. what more can you tell us about the _ medical facilities. what more can you tell us about the situation . medical facilities. what more can you tell us about the situation onj you tell us about the situation on the ground in gaza? we've been hearing stories of people having to burn their doors to create fire to cook, real, desperate, long lines that we are seeing images of as people queue get really limited feud food supplies, what more can you tell us from what you are hearing from your colleagues on the ground? well, i wasjust from your colleagues on the ground? well, i was just in gaza myself and i saw it first—hand. we were in the southern parts of the gaza strip, we visited one of the unrwa shelters, you know, we are hosting right now more than 1 you know, we are hosting right now more than1 million people in united nations unrwa shelters. the needs are huge. people were still arriving to the shelters, even though the war was in its 50th day. i was there just before the pause started, heavy, heavy bombardment during the day, during the night, constant, buildings would be shaken. people were anticipating the pause, they were anticipating the pause, they were waiting for it, they were asking for it, they were terrified, exhausted, many of them have lost everything and they need everything. in that shelter that i visited, i will never forget this one man who was with his five children living in a four square metre makeshift shelter outside in what was the parking lot of that training centre. and he was using his shoe as a cushion. ~ ., �* , ., and he was using his shoe as a cushion. ~ ., �*, ., ., , ., cushion. wow. there's no words for that, really. — cushion. wow. there's no words for that, really, thank— cushion. wow. there's no words for that, really, thank you _ cushion. wow. there's no words for that, really, thank you very - cushion. wow. there's no words for that, really, thank you very much . that, really, thank you very much juliette touma for sharing your insight and having been there yourself and of course having access to your staff on the ground and of course your agencies does very important work, that's very much for joining us here. now let's return to new zealand where the newly formed coalition government has made its first move. it is axing its world leading smoking ban to fund tax cuts. government, would have banned cigarette sales next year to anyone born after 2008. smoking is the leading cause of preventable deaths in new zealand, and the policy had aimed to stop young generations from picking up the habit. health experts have strongly criticised the sudden reversal. we can speak to a professor of public health at the university of 0tago. your reaction to today's news? ., ., 0tago. your reaction to today's news? . . ., 0tago. your reaction to today's news? . ., ., ~ ., 0tago. your reaction to today's news? . . ., ~ ., 4' news? kiara from wellington. i think we are all shocked _ news? kiara from wellington. i think we are all shocked by _ news? kiara from wellington. i think we are all shocked by this _ news? kiara from wellington. i think we are all shocked by this change - news? kiara from wellington. i think we are all shocked by this change in| we are all shocked by this change in policy, we did not see it coming, it was not a campaign measure by the national party which is leading the coalition. so, they have suddenly put back because of tobacco control by decades in new zealand. i mean, we had a world leading policy that have been implemented by the ardern government, which included banning sales for anyone born after 2008, producing the nicotine content of cigarettes and also reducing the number of outlets, and this was going to help guide us to a smoke—free society in the medium—term. so, all of that now is in tatters. medium-term. so, all of that now is in tatters. �* , ., ~' in tatters. and why do you think this has happened, _ in tatters. and why do you think this has happened, is _ in tatters. and why do you think this has happened, is it - in tatters. and why do you think this has happened, is itjust - in tatters. and why do you think this has happened, is itjust to i this has happened, is itjust to fund taxes? this has happened, is it 'ust to fund taxesafi this has happened, is it 'ust to fund taxes? yes. the incoming finance minister _ fund taxes? yes. the incoming finance minister has _ fund taxes? yes. the incoming finance minister has said - fund taxes? yes. the incoming finance minister has said they l fund taxes? yes. the incoming - finance minister has said they have a hole in their budget estimates which they need for tax cuts for middle—income new zealanders, and one of the ways of filling this is to maintain the smoking population, who obviously contribute tax by way of taxation on tobacco products. so, this seems like a very cynical move by the incoming government. find this seems like a very cynical move by the incoming government. and of course this policy — by the incoming government. and of course this policy in _ by the incoming government. and of course this policy in new _ by the incoming government. and of course this policy in new zealand - course this policy in new zealand was looked at from around the world as a world leading health policy one that even here in the uk the prime minister was in some way hoping to replicate, where do you think this latest reversal now leaves other policies around the world that might have been considered? weill. have been considered? well, hopefully _ have been considered? well, hopefully other _ have been considered? well, hopefully other governments j have been considered? well, - hopefully other governments will take a far more evidence — informed approach and accept that reducing tobacco has so many long—term benefits. in new zealand it was estimated to save more than $1 billion for the health system over the next 20 years, and also prevent around 5000 deaths a year in new zealand. so i think most informed people in new zealand felt that this policy would be intact, it would survive any change in government, because it did enjoy support from across the house during its introduction and discussion. so, this has come as a major shock i think for most thinking new zealanders. aha, think for most thinking new zealanders.— think for most thinking new zealanders. �* ., ., , . zealanders. a ma'or shock. we will have more _ zealanders. a ma'or shock. we will have more on — zealanders. a major shock. we will have more on that _ zealanders. a major shock. we will have more on that throughout - zealanders. a major shock. we will have more on that throughout the l zealanders. a major shock. we will. have more on that throughout the day but for now, professor michael baker, thank you very much for joining us. around the world and across the uk. this is bbc news. since the 1850s, this smoke has been in one family for more than a century and is now granted grade 2 listed status. a staff of 19 addressing the kiper�*s, some can still split the fish by hand, a delicate skill.— still split the fish by hand, a delicate skill. ., �* ., ., ., delicate skill. you've got to have the feeling _ delicate skill. you've got to have the feeling in — delicate skill. you've got to have the feeling in your— delicate skill. you've got to have the feeling in your fingers. - delicate skill. you've got to have the feeling in your fingers. do i i the feeling in your fingers. do i enjoy— the feeling in your fingers. do i enjoy it?! — the feeling in your fingers. do i enjoy it?! i_ the feeling in your fingers. do i enjoy it?! i thought you might laugh! — enjoy it?! i thought you might laugh! it's all right. we have a bit of banter, — laugh! it's all right. we have a bit of banter, a — laugh! it's all right. we have a bit of banter, a bit of a laugh, it is cold, _ of banter, a bit of a laugh, it is cold, wet — of banter, a bit of a laugh, it is cold, wet and smelly. in of banter, a bit of a laugh, it is cold, wet and smelly.- of banter, a bit of a laugh, it is cold, wet and smelly. in the 1900s, many coastal _ cold, wet and smelly. in the 1900s, many coastal towns _ cold, wet and smelly. in the 1900s, many coastal towns would - cold, wet and smelly. in the 1900s, many coastal towns would have - cold, wet and smelly. in the 1900s, many coastal towns would have hadj many coastal towns would have had smoke houses like this but many went bankrupt, and in the shop next door customers come from far and wide. taste customers come from far and wide. we come customers come from far and wide. - come every year, for kiper's come every year, for kiper�*s especially, from here. come every year, for kiper's especially, from here.- come every year, for kiper's especially, from here. they are that tood? 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