been slated for a couple of days and their timetable has been fairly strict throughout this, but there is plenty of room for manoeuvre. they don't normally sit on a friday but i think they are expecting to speak to him. not that many people behind me today, but we have seen over the past four weeks, we have seen protesters, plenty of media, so we can expect all of that tomorrow as well, but his testimony crucially important, and he has received plenty of criticism from civil servants, advisers, scientific advisers, to name but a few, who said he showed nuclear levels of confidence in dealing with the crisis and he will certainly want to face some of that criticism down. but interesting, yesterday, we had from michael gove, the chancellor of the duchy of is that, that brilliant name in british politics, which basically means he was in charge of the cabinet office, and he was pretty defensive of matt hancock, who he said showed wisdom and foresight in many of the decisions he had risen to the challenge. so it is not all criticism. find he had risen to the challenge. so it is not all criticism.— is not all criticism. and “ust going back to the — is not all criticism. and “ust going back to the first h is not all criticism. and just going back to the first testimony - is not all criticism. and just going back to the first testimony we - is not all criticism. and just going j back to the first testimony we are expecting today, which is from professor harris, how does her testimony so far, and obviously there is more to come this morning, but in terms of the tone, in terms of the questioning, how does her testimony compared to that of the other scientists that we have heard from so far?— from so far? well, again, all of it should be — from so far? well, again, all of it should be taken _ from so far? well, again, all of it should be taken in _ from so far? well, again, all of it should be taken in the _ from so far? well, again, all of it should be taken in the round, - should be taken in the round, because there was plenty from the scientist last week and i think what we start to here is a similar picture, and obviously they are not politicians. we heard a lot last week about how the government had this mantra about following the science and many of the scientists found that difficult to swallow because what they felt was that scientists were being scapegoated for some of the unpopular political decisions that were being made, and in the end it was the politicians making those decisions, but it felt at some points it was the scientists being blamed, if you like, for some of those decisions, so we may get to a bit of that. this afternoon, we are also expecting to hear from dominic raab. he was the deputy prime minister during the covid pandemic and officially he was running the country at one point, when borisjohnson was hospitalised with covid, so no doubt the inquiry will want to hear about exactly how that worked, particularly in boris johnson's absence. dominic raab subsequently resigned from government following a big scandal about bullying accusations. so much has been made of a toxic culture at the centre of government, so i think he will definitely face questions about whether that was true while he was in place and exactly what that might have meant. so i think we are going to get all sorts of different things today, starting with the science, but as ever, ending with the politics. science, but as ever, ending with the politics-— science, but as ever, ending with the politics. thank you very much. we can see _ the politics. thank you very much. we can see now— the politics. thank you very much. we can see now that _ the politics. thank you very much. we can see now that the - the politics. thank you very much. we can see now that the inquiry i the politics. thank you very much. i we can see now that the inquiry has resumed and professor damejenny harries has started giving evidence. it was over that weekend that the meetings — it was over that weekend that the meetings on the friday the 13th and the cobra _ meetings on the friday the 13th and the cobra meeting on the monday and sunday _ the cobra meeting on the monday and sunday i_ the cobra meeting on the monday and sunday. i wanted to ask you about the detait— sunday. i wanted to ask you about the detail in the e—mail at the bottom — the detail in the e—mail at the bottom of— the detail in the e—mail at the bottom of the page. you, i think it is obvious, — bottom of the page. you, i think it is obvious, were working that weekend, _ is obvious, were working that weekend, you were in no doubt involved — weekend, you were in no doubt involved in_ weekend, you were in no doubt involved in all the discussions and deliberations and trying to understand the latest data, which was causing some concern. but what we see _ was causing some concern. but what we see here — was causing some concern. but what we see here is that you are drawing attention— we see here is that you are drawing attention to — we see here is that you are drawing attention to one particular issue relating — attention to one particular issue relating to the prospect of imposing more _ relating to the prospect of imposing more severe measures, and picking it up more severe measures, and picking it up a couple _ more severe measures, and picking it up a couple of lines in, can ijust ask if_ up a couple of lines in, can ijust ask if someone somewhere is also putting _ ask if someone somewhere is also pulling together a list of other risks_ pulling together a list of other risks of— pulling together a list of other risks of going to early, or, in some cases, _ risks of going to early, or, in some cases. going — risks of going to early, or, in some cases, going at all? you say that issues _ cases, going at all? you say that issues keep being mentioned but you are not— issues keep being mentioned but you are not seeing them coming through in the _ are not seeing them coming through in the paper work and you are asking for assurance that these issues are being _ for assurance that these issues are being considered somewhere. and then you say— being considered somewhere. and then you say this, _ being considered somewhere. and then you say this, the critical ones are of implementing programmes without effective _ of implementing programmes without effective social care and community support _ effective social care and community support systems in place which are obvious— support systems in place which are obvious to — support systems in place which are obvious to everyone and have been mentioned — obvious to everyone and have been mentioned. the ones that bother me most _ mentioned. the ones that bother me most of— mentioned. the ones that bother me most of all— mentioned. the ones that bother me most of all currently are those in relation — most of all currently are those in relation to— most of all currently are those in relation to safeguarding adults and children— relation to safeguarding adults and children and domestic violence more generallv _ children and domestic violence more generally. you say that for some, these _ generally. you say that for some, these risks— generally. you say that for some, these risks will be considerably greater— these risks will be considerably greater than the negative health impact _ greater than the negative health impact from coronavirus. so there are you _ impact from coronavirus. so there are you identifying at an early stage — are you identifying at an early stage those risks of safeguarding domestic violence. it is obvious that you — domestic violence. it is obvious that you were concerned about them. can you _ that you were concerned about them. can you say _ that you were concerned about them. can you say something about why and also what _ can you say something about why and also what happened as a result of this e—mail? 30 also what happened as a result of this e-mail?_ also what happened as a result of this e-mail? so i think you can see from that e-mail _ this e-mail? so i think you can see from that e-mail that _ this e-mail? so i think you can see from that e-mail that things - this e-mail? so i think you can see from that e-mail that things were l from that e—mail that things were moving _ from that e—mail that things were moving fast _ from that e—mail that things were moving fast i _ from that e—mail that things were moving fast. i was _ from that e—mail that things were moving fast. i was not _ from that e—mail that things were moving fast. i was not in - from that e—mail that things were moving fast. i was not in the - from that e—mail that things were| moving fast. i was not in the main meetings — moving fast. i was not in the main meetings that _ moving fast. i was not in the main meetings that you _ moving fast. i was not in the main meetings that you discussed, - moving fast. i was not in the main meetings that you discussed, buti moving fast. i was not in the main| meetings that you discussed, but i will have _ meetings that you discussed, but i will have been— meetings that you discussed, but i will have been trying _ meetings that you discussed, but i will have been trying to _ meetings that you discussed, but i will have been trying to respond i meetings that you discussed, but i i will have been trying to respond and input to— will have been trying to respond and input to any— will have been trying to respond and input to any potential _ will have been trying to respond and input to any potential guidance - 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normal things to think about if you are public health trained. the - are public health trained. the concern — are public health trained. the concern i _ are public health trained. the concern i had _ are public health trained. the concern i had was, _ are public health trained. the concern i had was, i- are public health trained. the concern i had was, i could - are public health trained. the| concern i had was, i could not are public health trained. the - concern i had was, i could not see them _ concern i had was, i could not see them coming _ concern i had was, i could not see them coming through— concern i had was, i could not see them coming through consistently concern i had was, i could not see . them coming through consistently in them coming through consistently in the documents, _ them coming through consistently in the documents, and _ them coming through consistently in the documents, and a _ them coming through consistently in the documents, and a clinical- the documents, and a clinical colleague _ the documents, and a clinical colleague working _ the documents, and a clinical colleague working with - the documents, and a clinical colleague working with me i the documents, and a clinical. colleague working with me and working — colleague working with me and working on— colleague working with me and working on the _ colleague working with me and working on the documents - colleague working with me and - working on the documents continued to write _ working on the documents continued to write things — working on the documents continued to write things into _ working on the documents continued to write things into them _ working on the documents continued to write things into them and - working on the documents continued to write things into them and then i to write things into them and then the next _ to write things into them and then the next version _ to write things into them and then the next version that _ to write things into them and then the next version that came - to write things into them and then the next version that came back. the next version that came back would _ the next version that came back would not — the next version that came back would not have _ the next version that came back would not have them _ the next version that came back would not have them in- the next version that came back would not have them in there. i the next version that came back. would not have them in there. one the next version that came back- would not have them in there. one of the problems— would not have them in there. one of the problems is, _ would not have them in there. one of the problems is, as _ would not have them in there. one of the problems is, as you _ would not have them in there. one of the problems is, as you can _ would not have them in there. one of the problems is, as you can see, - would not have them in there. one of the problems is, as you can see, i- the problems is, as you can see, i will he _ the problems is, as you can see, i will be commenting, _ the problems is, as you can see, i will be commenting, that- the problems is, as you can see, i will be commenting, that was- the problems is, as you can see, i will be commenting, that was myl the problems is, as you can see, i- will be commenting, that was myjob, to advise, _ will be commenting, that was myjob, to advise, i_ will be commenting, that was myjob, to advise, i was — will be commenting, that was myjob, to advise, i was not _ will be commenting, that was myjob, to advise, i was not in _ will be commenting, that was myjob, to advise, i was not in control- will be commenting, that was myjob, to advise, i was not in control of- to advise, i was not in control of policy, _ to advise, i was not in control of policy, and _ to advise, i was not in control of policy, and documents - to advise, i was not in control of policy, and documents might. to advise, i was not in control of policy, and documents might goj to advise, i was not in control of. policy, and documents might go off into the _ policy, and documents might go off into the ether, _ policy, and documents might go off into the ether, and _ policy, and documents might go off into the ether, and then— policy, and documents might go off into the ether, and then the - policy, and documents might go off into the ether, and then the next. into the ether, and then the next version _ into the ether, and then the next version would _ into the ether, and then the next version would come _ into the ether, and then the next version would come back, - into the ether, and then the next version would come back, and i into the ether, and then the next version would come back, and it| into the ether, and then the next- version would come back, and it was not easy— version would come back, and it was not easy to _ version would come back, and it was not easy to control— version would come back, and it was not easy to control them _ version would come back, and it was not easy to control them but - version would come back, and it was not easy to control them but what i not easy to control them but what this shows — not easy to control them but what this shows is, _ not easy to control them but what this shows is, these _ not easy to control them but what this shows is, these issues - not easy to control them but what this shows is, these issues were i this shows is, these issues were definitely— this shows is, these issues were definitely being _ this shows is, these issues were definitely being raised. - this shows is, these issues were definitely being raised. the?- this shows is, these issues were definitely being raised. they were bein: definitely being raised. they were being raised. _ definitely being raised. they were being raised, and _ definitely being raised. they were being raised, and i— definitely being raised. they were being raised, and i am _ definitely being raised. they were being raised, and i am not- being raised, and i am not suggesting it was necessarily part of your— suggesting it was necessarily part of your function to see them through to the _ of your function to see them through to the end. _ of your function to see them through to the end, but other evidence we have _ to the end, but other evidence we have heard — to the end, but other evidence we have heard is similar, really. it shows— have heard is similar, really. it shows people raising these issues but perhaps nothing being done about them _ but perhaps nothing being done about them. what was your memory, perhaps not tied _ them. what was your memory, perhaps not tied to _ them. what was your memory, perhaps not tied to this e—mail, but of that time? _ not tied to this e—mail, but of that time? where are you conscious that these _ time? where are you conscious that these concerns that you have raised, and we _ these concerns that you have raised, and we have