there is deep danger in this for america, of course. we now have a country in which millions of people believe that the justice system is being recognised and millions of people believe that what we saw in a manhattan court over the past few weeks is taking its course. i is going to say those divisions, he is going to say those divisions, he is going to say those divisions, he is going to push the sense of grievance to the centre of the election campaign. that is very clear. to some extent, if we believe him, it seems to be working. he suggested today that his campaign has earned more than $30 million since that verdict was delivered.— more than $30 million since that verdict was delivered. john, really aood to verdict was delivered. john, really good to talk _ verdict was delivered. john, really good to talk to — verdict was delivered. john, really good to talk to you. _ verdict was delivered. john, really good to talk to you. joining - verdict was delivered. john, really good to talk to you. joining us - verdict was delivered. john, reallyj good to talk to you. joining us live from new york, there. around the world and across the uk. this is the world today on bbc news. to the general election now and significant news in the campaign — today the labour leader sir keir starmer said diane abbott is �*free to go forward' as his party's candidate for hackney north and stoke newington. he had previously said it was up to the party's national executive committee to decide if she could run. let's speak to jack fenwick — our political correspondent at westminster. three days of questions on this, jack, and even this morning sir starmer was saying a decision to hand to be made yet, but finally decided to draw a line and do things? decided to draw a line and do thins? , ., .,, decided to draw a line and do thins? , ., ., , decided to draw a line and do thins? , ., ., i, things? this row has really been distracting _ things? this row has really been distracting from _ things? this row has really been distracting from the _ things? this row has really been distracting from the things - things? this row has really been distracting from the things that l distracting from the things that labour have been wanting to be talking about this week's top that is something that is frustrating people around sir keir starmer, at the top of the labour party, and people around diane abbott as well. but as you say, we seem to have finally got an answer today. that is that sir keir starmer has said diane abbott is free to go forward as a labour candidate. shortly after that, a labour party source told us she will be the candidate, is that really did seem to be clearing that up. they also said the reason for thatis up. they also said the reason for that is the board in charge of the labour party roebuck, they meet next week to give the green tech to all of labour post candidates, and that party source said that nmc would not be blocking diane abbott. diane abbott herself said she won't be making comments until next week, but the narrative looks positive. i've spoken to friends of diane abbott this afternoon, and they have been similar things. this afternoon, and they have been similarthings. cautiously, pleased to want to wait until next week to see the formalities do happen. what we don't know is exactly how important the information is from deputy labour leader angela rayner was today. it's a sign website leaders went been clear, angela rayner said yesterday that she didn't see any reason why diane abbott wouldn't be allowed to. this morning, keir starmer was given the opportunity to repeat that line, thatis opportunity to repeat that line, that is decked he had given, and didn't take the opportunity, there was still confusion. a couple of hours after that, he then gave the answer when he said diane abbott was free to go forward as a candidate. this plays into a wider row that has been going on, really, about accusation that left—wing candidates within the labour party are being called, in diane abbott's words. we had fighter shaheen, very much a figure on the left of the party. she was so she wouldn't be allowed to stand, and the now former labour mp who gave an exclusive interview to the politics live programme today, who also said he wasn't allowed to stand because of a complaint made against him about his behaviour salary is low. it is important to note that no one at the bmc knows quite what that complaint was. this row around the left of the party, given keir starmer has been trying to come rates this image of the party having really changed since it 2009 election ofjeremy corbyn days, this row is not going away. thank ou ve this row is not going away. thank you very much — this row is not going away. thank you very much jack, _ this row is not going away. thank you very much jack, over- this row is not going away. thank you very much jack, over in - you very much jack, over in westminster. let's head straight to the conservative campaign bus — our correspondentjessica parker is following rishi sunaklet�*s he's been talking about fly—tipping and feeding lambs, i seek? absolutely. we've had a day, a lot of english countryside in the north west of england, and as you say, the public campaign visit kicked off earlier on in cheshire where rishi sunak came to a farm and was seen to bottle feed some seven—week—old lambs. he is introduced to some of the cows on the farm and sat down on some haystacks with some local people to talk about his campaign. then we all ran off or hopped on this bus to a steam railway in greater manchester, so we got on that, and that was a four—minute journey. he then headed into a cafe to talk to people around there. it gives you a flavour of the day for rishi sunak, as you say, the policies that they were announcing today were on cracking down on fly—tipping, cracking down on anti—social behaviour in social housing as well. but i spoke to the prime minister early on is what is called the pool arrangements, so we share out among broadcasters, the opportunity to talk to party leaders, the prime minister and throw some questions at them. i want to talk to the prime minister about the fact that yesterday, of course, we had the news that the former tory mp, who was stepping down, mark logan, has now decided and he revealed to the bbc that he would be supporting and even joining revealed to the bbc that he would be supporting and evenjoining the labour party. i asked rishi sunak whether his own team, because it's not the only example be seen if something like this, are beginning to desert him. something like this, are beginning to desert him-— something like this, are beginning to desert him. what i'm focused on is bein: to desert him. what i'm focused on is being out — to desert him. what i'm focused on is being out in _ to desert him. what i'm focused on is being out in across _ to desert him. what i'm focused on is being out in across the _ to desert him. what i'm focused on is being out in across the country . talking to people about the choice at this_ talking to people about the choice at this election. and the choice is increasingly clear because we are the only party that is taking bold action, that's got a clear plan so that we can deliver a secure future for everyone. and in contrast, the labour party have nothing to offer the country, no ideas, no plans for the future. and that choice is clear. that's what i'm talking to people about. and we've got so many fantastic candidates across the country working really hard for their communities, an example of which i'm standing in right now. it's been the first full week of the campaign. you've announced lots of policies. you've been around the country, but polling would suggest it's not really making a difference. aren't you worried that your campaign is falling flat? the only poll that matters is the poll on july 4th. that's the poll that i'm focused on. and as you acknowledged, we are announcing bold policies because that's what the situation demands. i want to deliver a more secure future for everyone in our country that requires a clear plan and bold action. now, our plan is working when it comes to the economy, inflation down, wages rising, the economy growing. and people everywhere i've been across the country are engaging with the ideas that we're putting forward a modern form of national service, the triple lock plus for pensioners and 100,000 new high quality apprenticeships. these are things that people are talking to me about. they think those are the right things for the future of our country. and that's the choice at this election, because there's not a single idea that we've heard in the first of all of this campaign that's come from the labour party. of course, the labour party would absolutely refute that. sickest and has been in scotland talking about his plans for what is called gb energy, but while we are talking about labour, rishi sunak did take the opportunity today to sharpen his attacks a little bit on labour in terms of this row that we have seen around diane abbott, the veteran mp placed in the labour mp. she said she will now be able to run as a labour candidate, after she claimed she was effectively being bad. rishi sunak said this showed that angela rayner, the deputy of labour, implied she would like to see diane given that, sort of large and in charge, and insights he has something to do there. the conservatives are looking at opportunities to sharpen up their attacks on that issue but for the tories, just hearing about it in that ballclub there, i think there will be some concern that despite these policy announcements they've made over the last week, some of which have grabbed some headlines, they haven't seen a significant shift and that substantial polling that labour has seen to remain with other caveats we need to throw in about polls. other caveats we need to throw in about polls-— other caveats we need to throw in about olls. . ~' . about polls. thank you so much there to 'ust a about polls. thank you so much there to just a packet _ about polls. thank you so much there to just a packet there _ about polls. thank you so much there to just a packet there on _ about polls. thank you so much there to just a packet there on the - to just a packet there on the campaign bus. you can follow all the latest from the campaign trail on the bbc news website — we have the latest analysis and updates from our correspondents around the country — you can also find it on the bbc news app. time now to hearfrom adam fleming and the newscast team. for their take on the day's election campaigning if myself the wondering the other day, how many elections as james lansdale covered in general? liii< lansdale covered in general? uk general elections. i suppose the first one — general elections. i suppose the first one you could say i covered was 1992, — first one you could say i covered was 1992, as a student, helping my professor_ was 1992, as a student, helping my professor who was appended and on the local— professor who was appended and on the local regional programme, i sat in the _ the local regional programme, i sat in the back— the local regional programme, i sat in the back working at the swings with a _ in the back working at the swings with a calculator and a pad and paper, — with a calculator and a pad and paper, which i passed a piece of paper— paper, which i passed a piece of paper so— paper, which i passed a piece of paper so that he could sound terribly — paper so that he could sound terribly informed about the swings in each _ terribly informed about the swings in each constituency. i also spent a bit of— in each constituency. i also spent a bit of time — in each constituency. i also spent a bit of time clock watching output, both itv — bit of time clock watching output, both itv and bbc, and others, for a private _ both itv and bbc, and others, for a private company to see if they were meeting _ private company to see if they were meeting election guidelines to see if they— meeting election guidelines to see if they were giving every party affair— if they were giving every party affair cracker to the web. it�*s if they were giving every party affair cracker to the web. it's why ou've affair cracker to the web. it's why you've always _ affair cracker to the web. it's why you've always been _ affair cracker to the web. it's why you've always been intrinsically i you've always been intrinsically fair. anotherfact you've always been intrinsically fair. another fact this you've always been intrinsically fair. anotherfact this is you've always been intrinsically fair. another fact this is the first general election in the uk with the party leaders have had to comment on the fact a us president has been found guilty of a felony... it's never happened before. it found guilty of a felony... it's never happened before. it is... when is it like that, — never happened before. it is... when is it like that, it — never happened before. it is... when is it like that, itjust _ never happened before. it is... when is it like that, it just takes _ never happened before. it is... when is it like that, it just takes your - is it like that, itjust takes your breath— is it like that, itjust takes your breath away. yes, they have all had comments — breath away. yes, they have all had comments. we breath away. yes, they have all had comments-— breath away. yes, they have all had comments. ~ ,. , , ., , comments. we will discuss what they have been saying _ comments. we will discuss what they have been saying along _ comments. we will discuss what they have been saying along with - comments. we will discuss what they have been saying along with other. have been saying along with other campaigns in this episode of new cast. it's adam in the studio, and we will catch up with james landale in a couple of minutes, but earlier in the day, because it was chris mason, political editor at the bbc, and it was a little bit chaotic, i have to admit. we went sure where it was going to be, it ended up being the bbc in glasgow. i had been recording another programme for radio four at westminster, so ended up in a cupboard there. you come to feel me, but you will hear me and hear me asking him questions, loads of breaking news happening around that time, and is trying to make sense of what's on. particularly with the latest event diane abbott, we had just heard the news about keir starmer saying she was cleared to be a labour candidate in the election after all. chris, a labour candidate in the election afterall. chris, hello. it is to a labour candidate in the election after all. chris, hello. it is to a 5pm, recording this podcast. let's talk about a few things, first of all, you drove past my childhood home. i all, you drove past my childhood home. . , . all, you drove past my childhood home. ., ., all, you drove past my childhood home. .,, ., ., , home. i was at a second time children's _ home. i was at a second time children's toy _ home. i was at a second time children's toy play _ home. i was at a second time children's toy play is - home. i was at a second time children's toy play is that - home. i was at a second time children's toy play is that the | children's toy play is that the first — children's toy play is that the first minister of scotland, the leader— first minister of scotland, the leader of— first minister of scotland, the leader of scotland, john swinney... isaw— leader of scotland, john swinney... i saw an— leader of scotland, john swinney... i saw an old — leader of scotland, john swinney... i saw an old space hopper from 1983. it was _ i saw an old space hopper from 1983. it was £1_ i saw an old space hopper from 1983. it was £175_ i saw an old space hopper from 1983. it was £175 p. i was there, john swinney— it was £175 p. i was there, john swinney was doing a visit, snp trying — swinney was doing a visit, snp trying to— swinney was doing a visit, snp trying to hold on to seats in and around — trying to hold on to seats in and around glasgow, and i simply thought. _ around glasgow, and i simply thought, this is fleming country i am on _ thought, this is fleming country i am on here _ thought, this is fleming country i am on here-— thought, this is fleming country i am on here. ., ~ ., , am on here. thank you for sending me that little map — am on here. thank you for sending me that little map pin. _ am on here. thank you for sending me that little map pin. the _ am on here. thank you for sending me that little map pin. the second - that little map pin. the second weird thing, as we are recording right now, it is now 2:06pm, about ten minutes ago, we had a flash that diane abbott has had a clear run to now be the labour candidate in hackney north, to give me your insight. when newscasters are listening to this, the picture will be a lot clearer, but let's do some real time, be a lot clearer, but let's do some realtime, breaking news be a lot clearer, but let's do some real time, breaking news it'sjust happened. it real time, breaking news it's 'ust ha - ened. ., real time, breaking news it's 'ust hauened. ., ., ,, ., real time, breaking news it's 'ust ha ened. ., ., ,, ., ., happened. it would appear that labour happened. it would appear that labour have — happened. it would appear that labour have a _ happened. it would appear that labour have a leadership - happened. it would appear that labour have a leadership level, j labour have a leadership level, which _ labour have a leadership level, which i — labour have a leadership level, which i mean keir starmer, we heard what angela — which i mean keir starmer, we heard what angela rayner had to say yesterday, the deputy leader but she said she _ yesterday, the deputy leader but she said she would like diane abbott to be able _ said she would like diane abbott to be able to— said she would like diane abbott to be able to stand. keir starmer has indicated — be able to stand. keir starmer has indicated that that is now his view, and the _ indicated that that is now his view, and the party's national executive committee will not stand in the way of diane _ committee will not stand in the way of diane abbott being the labour candidate in that part of east london — candidate in that part of east london that she is represented for so, so _ london that she is represented for so, so long — london that she is represented for so, so long. of course, there will be a _ so, so long. of course, there will be a full— so, so long. of course, there will be a full list _ so, so long. of course, there will be a full list of candidates and seats — be a full list of candidates and seats in— be a full list of candidates and seats in the bbc website. 50, it would _ seats in the bbc website. 50, it would appear, as we records, that labour— would appear, as we records, that labour after quite a while of noise and public— labour after quite a while of noise and public disagreements, and awkwardness, have managed to shuffle their way— awkwardness, have managed to shuffle their way to _ awkwardness, have managed to shuffle their way to a solution where they will hope. — their way to a solution where they will hope, in keir starmer's office, that this _ will hope, in keir starmer's office, that this means the whole thing can die down _ that this means the whole thing can die down it — that this means the whole thing can die down. it was becoming yet another— die down. it was becoming yet another cause celeb for the left... is that _ another cause celeb for the left... is that how— another cause celeb for the left... is that how you say that word? i should _ is that how you say that word? i should stick with english. is is that how you say that word? i should stick with english.- should stick with english. is this the first time _ should stick with english. is this the first time you _ should stick with english. is this the first time you have - should stick with english. is this the first time you have ever - should stick with english. is thisj the first time you have ever said it? i the first time you have ever said it? ., ., ., ._ ~ it? i wrote it down today, i think that would _ it? i wrote it down today, i think that would come _ it? i wrote it down today, i think that would come from. - it? i wrote it down today, i think that would come from. it - it? i wrote it down today, i think that would come from. it is - it? i wrote it down today, i think that would come from. it is easy it? i wrote it down today, i think. that would come from. it is easy to spell— that would come from. it is easy to spell and _ that would come from. it is easy to spell and save. it's got lots of hours — spell and save. it's got lots of hours on _ spell and save. it's got lots of hours on it. diane abbott have become — hours on it. diane abbott have become token that the anger that someone — become token that the anger that someone on the left have felt about being _ someone on the left have felt about being marginalised, not only in the campaign _ being marginalised, not only in the campaign but going over the last couple _ campaign but going over the last couple of— campaign but going over the last couple of years, since the political demise _ couple of years, since the political demise of— couple of years, since the political demise ofjeremy corbyn at the highest — demise ofjeremy corbyn at the highest level. if they have found a way to _ highest level. if they have found a way to calm that down, which it would _ way to calm that down, which it would appear as we record that they have. _ would appear as we record that they have. then — would appear as we record that they have. then i — would appear as we record that they have, then i suspect from keir starmer's _ have, then i suspect from keir starmer's perspective that will be a bit of— starmer's perspective that will be a bit of a _ starmer's perspective that will be a bit of a relief. he could use it as a way— bit of a relief. he could use it as a way to— bit of a relief. he could use it as a way to point out how the party had change. _ a way to point out how the party had change. if— a way to point out how the party had change, if you like, move away from the labour— change, if you like, move away from the labour left, but equally, it was getting _ the labour left, but equally, it was getting noisy. it was getting acrimonious, it was acrimonious even _ acrimonious, it was acrimonious even it— acrimonious, it was acrimonious even it was— acrimonious, it was acrimonious even. it was crowding out their capacity— even. it was crowding out their capacity to _ even. it was crowding out their capacity to be heard, talking about anything _ capacity to be heard, talking about anything else. capacity to be heard, talking about anything else-— anything else. even though keir starmer was — anything else. even though keir starmer was relying _ anything else. even though keir starmer was relying on - anything else. even though keir starmer was relying on this - anything else. even though keir starmer was relying on this as l anything else. even though keirj starmer was relying on this as a matter for the labour executive committee who will endorse their finalist can pick candidates on tuesday, keir starmer was sort of thing actually the idea that keir starmer could have said a big clinical signal that could have trumped that process, we got the big political signal today and we can hear keir starmer delivering signal because we've now got the little bit of tape where he actually said all this. , ., of tape where he actually said all this. ,., ~ . this. diane abbott was elected in 1987, the this. diane abbott was elected in 1987. the first — this. diane abbott was elected in 1987, the first black _ this. diane abbott was elected in 1987, the first black woman - this. diane abbott was elected in 1987, the first black woman and l this. diane abbott was elected in i 1987, the first black woman and be. she's— 1987, the first black woman and be. she's been— 1987, the first black woman and be. she's been a — 1987, the first black woman and be. she's been a trailblazer, _ 1987, the first black woman and be. she's been a trailblazer, she's- she's been a trailblazer, she's carved — she's been a trailblazer, she's carved a — she's been a trailblazer, she's carved a path— she's been a trailblazer, she's carved a path for— she's been a trailblazer, she's carved a path for other - she's been a trailblazer, she's carved a path for other people she's been a trailblazer, she's. carved a path for other people to come _ carved a path for other people to come into— carved a path for other people to come into politics _ carved a path for other people to come into politics and _ carved a path for other people to come into politics and public- carved a path for other people to| come into politics and public life. the whip — come into politics and public life. the whip has _ come into politics and public life. the whip has obviously _ come into politics and public life. the whip has obviously been - come into politics and public life. - the whip has obviously been restored to her— the whip has obviously been restored to her now— the whip has obviously been restored to her nowand — the whip has obviously been restored to her now and she _ the whip has obviously been restored to her now and she is— the whip has obviously been restored to her now and she is free _ the whip has obviously been restored to her now and she is free to- to her now and she is free to go forward — to her now and she is free to go forward as— to her now and she is free to go forward as a _ to her now and she is free to go forward as a labour— to her now and she is free to go forward as a labour candidate. i to her now and she is free to go. forward as a labour candidate. find forward as a labour candidate. and et forward as a labour candidate. and yet exactly — forward as a labour candidate. yet exactly that point, forward as a labour candidate. in} yet exactly that point, adam, forward as a labour candidate.- yet exactly that point, adam, that you are _ yet exactly that point, adam, that you are making right before we heard that extract _ you are making right before we heard that extract there. of course it's a political— that extract there. of course it's a political organisation, a political party— political organisation, a political party to— political organisation, a political party to make a statement of the obvious. — party to make a statement of the obvious, and if the figurehead says something, that matters. but also, a national— something, that matters. but also, a national executive committee of a party. _ national executive committee of a party. of— national executive committee of a party, of course it has a sort of governing _ party, of course it has a sort of governing role but it's not some detached — governing role but it's not some detached sort ofjudge and jury entirely— detached sort ofjudge and jury entirely on a plane that is not in any way— entirely on a plane that is not in any way connected to the political moods _ any way connected to the political moods and prevailing winds within that party. — moods and prevailing winds within that party, and whilst keir starmer could _ that party, and whilst keir starmer could accurately sign in a technocratic way, it's down to the national— technocratic way, it's down to the national executive committee, he was making _ national executive committee, he was making out— national executive committee, he was making out political choice up until today— making out political choice up until today to _ making out political choice up until today to not say that he would not welcome — today to not say that he would not welcome diane abbott as a standing labour— welcome diane abbott as a standing labour candidate, now he's saying something — labour candidate, now he's saying something different. as well as the suggestion that there wouldn't be any problem as far as the nec is concerned. _ any problem as far as the nec is concerned, so as on the face of it as we _ concerned, so as on the face of it as we record, there can sometimes be twists and _ as we record, there can sometimes be twists and turns, it looks as though. _ twists and turns, it looks as though. if— twists and turns, it looks as though, if you like some of the labour— though, if you like some of the labour family, though, if you like some of the labourfamily, call though, if you like some of the labour family, call it what you will. — labour family, call it what you will, they've been shouting at each other— will, they've been shouting at each other the _ will, they've been shouting at each other the last couple of days, as far as _ other the last couple of days, as far as her— other the last couple of days, as far as her case is concerned at least. _ far as her case is concerned at least. it— far as her case is concerned at least, it might have maneuvered its way towards a solution. i least, it might have maneuvered its way towards a solution.— way towards a solution. i was 'ust banterin: way towards a solution. i was 'ust bantering with i way towards a solution. i was 'ust bantering with one i way towards a solution. i was 'ust bantering with one of i way towards a solution. i was 'ust bantering with one of our i way towards a solution. i wasjust i bantering with one of our colleagues that wouldn't it be hilarious if by the time we are actually recording the time we are actually recording the rest of this episode of new casts i'm uploading it to bbc sounds, diane abbott has said, actually i will take this moment to retire gracefully, i've had an amazing a0 years in politics, and this the rest of this would be imaginary. {lin this the rest of this would be imaginary-— this the rest of this would be imaaina . ., ,, .,, imaginary. on that point, i think as we were saying _ imaginary. on that point, i think as we were saying on _ imaginary. on that point, i think as we were saying on the _ imaginary. on that point, i think as we were saying on the last - imaginary. on that point, i think as we were saying on the last episode j we were saying on the last episode of newscast that there was a widespread expectation that earlier in the _ widespread expectation that earlier in the week, that that is how this week— in the week, that that is how this week might pan out. with her deciding — week might pan out. with her deciding to retire. and of course there _ deciding to retire. and of course there she — deciding to retire. and of course there she was saying on the steps of there she was saying on the steps of the town— there she was saying on the steps of the town hall, i'll be your mpa for as long _ the town hall, i'll be your mpa for as long as— the town hall, i'll be your mpa for as long as i— the town hall, i'll be your mpa for as long as i can be. which implies that she _ as long as i can be. which implies that she has — as long as i can be. which implies that she has sort of full kind of desire — that she has sort of full kind of desire and _ that she has sort of full kind of desire and energy to crack on with this campaign as a labour candidate. you know. _ this campaign as a labour candidate. you know. if— this campaign as a labour candidate. you know, if she's allowed, and now we know— you know, if she's allowed, and now we know she — you know, if she's allowed, and now we know she is.— you know, if she's allowed, and now we know she is. let's now go back to one of the original _ we know she is. let's now go back to one of the original reasons _ we know she is. let's now go back to one of the original reasons that - one of the original reasons that you are in my old hometown of glasgow on the south side, it was seeing the smp leaderjohn swinney who was the leader of scotland, will see here a chunk of the interview you did with him on friday. will you provide some context? i5 him on friday. will you provide some context? . , ., ., him on friday. will you provide some context? , , ., ., , ., context? is my favourite bit of context if _ context? is my favourite bit of context if you _ context? is my favourite bit of context if you like _ context? is my favourite bit of context if you like in _ context? is my favourite bit of context if you like in terms - context? is my favourite bit of context if you like in terms of | context if you like in terms of getting — context if you like in terms of getting your head around, scottish national— getting your head around, scottish national party at the moment. here you have _ national party at the moment. here you have john swinney who is the 60—year—old former youth leader of the smp. _ 60—year—old former youth leader of the smp, that's kind of how long he's been — the smp, that's kind of how long he's been hanging around in snp circles. he— he's been hanging around in snp circles, he was has been the first minister— circles, he was has been the first minister of— circles, he was has been the first minister of scotland for the last three _ minister of scotland for the last three weeks and rarity a week into a general— three weeks and rarity a week into a general election campaign, he became first minister sorted by accident because — first minister sorted by accident because of the rapid political demise — because of the rapid political demise of homes that you stuff, so he is _ demise of homes that you stuff, so he is had _ demise of homes that you stuff, so he is had quite a few but this is a luy he is had quite a few but this is a guy who — he is had quite a few but this is a guy who has seen a lot of elections come _ guy who has seen a lot of elections come and — guy who has seen a lot of elections come and go and i was struck into conversation with him, he is quite matter—of—fact really about the political — matter—of—fact really about the political headwinds of the snp face, those _ political headwinds of the snp face, those headwinds being it's been in power— those headwinds being it's been in power in _ those headwinds being it's been in power in scotland and divulge government since 2007, it's gone through— government since 2007, it's gone through three leaders in the blink of an— through three leaders in the blink of an eye. — through three leaders in the blink of an eye, not dissimilar from the conservatives from a couple of years a -o, conservatives from a couple of years ago. there's— conservatives from a couple of years ago, there's been the whole business of the _ ago, there's been the whole business of the police investigation at all of the police investigation at all of that— of the police investigation at all of that into the party that's been rambling — of that into the party that's been rambling on and continues to ramble on. rambling on and continues to ramble on and _ rambling on and continues to ramble on. and labour, having been near wiped _ on. and labour, having been near wiped out— on. and labour, having been near wiped out by the snp march of the last decade or so are feeling chipper— last decade or so are feeling chipper in scotland again, and there is opinion— chipper in scotland again, and there is opinion polls that suggest labour are out— is opinion polls that suggest labour are out pulling the snp and could win more — are out pulling the snp and could win more seats than the smp in scotland — win more seats than the smp in scotland at the general election. so the snp _ scotland at the general election. so the snp are in a kind of defensive position. — the snp are in a kind of defensive position, they've been at a high water— position, they've been at a high water mark for a very, very long time but — water mark for a very, very long time but it— water mark for a very, very long time but it now looks like they are and. _ time but it now looks like they are and. yeah. — time but it now looks like they are and. yeah. a — time but it now looks like they are and, yeah, a defensive position. you've _ and, yeah, a defensive position. you've got— and, yeah, a defensive position. you've got a _ and, yeah, a defensive position. you've got a real sense of that from john swinney today with a load of people _ john swinney today with a load of people alongside him, smp candidates, who were mps in the last parliament. _ candidates, who were mps in the last parliament, who now have the snp leader's— parliament, who now have the snp leader's support to try and help them _ leader's support to try and help them stay, which gives you some sort of that— them stay, which gives you some sort of that sense of defend, defend, obviously — of that sense of defend, defend, obviously you are in a defence position— obviously you are in a defence position when you hold the vast majority — position when you hold the vast majority of seats in scotland, but the expectation is that will likely to shrivel— the expectation is that will likely to shrivel so that's the most desired _ to shrivel so that's the most desired cons tech are desiring. that was a special _ desired cons tech are desiring. twat was a special context, let's have a splash of context with your interview. splash of context with your interview— splash of context with your interview. ,, ., , , ,., interview. snp has been in power in scotland since _ interview. snp has been in power in scotland since 2007. _ interview. snp has been in power in scotland since 2007. what - interview. snp has been in power in scotland since 2007. what do - interview. snp has been in power in scotland since 2007. what do you i interview. snp has been in power in i scotland since 2007. what do you say to the _ scotland since 2007. what do you say to the person who says that party might _ to the person who says that party might be — to the person who says that party might be a — to the person who says that party might be a bit clapped out, tired. i see might be a bit clapped out, tired. see we've might be a bit clapped out, tired. i see we've actually transformed lives in scotland. — see we've actually transformed lives in scotland, transferred _ in scotland, transferred opportunities. - in scotland, transferred opportunities. for- in scotland, transferred . opportunities. for example in scotland, transferred - opportunities. for example in the course _ opportunities. for example in the course of— opportunities. for example in the course of the _ opportunities. for example in the course of the snp _ opportunities. for example in the course of the snp government i opportunities. for example in the| course of the snp government we opportunities. for example in the i course of the snp government we have more than _ course of the snp government we have more than doubled _ course of the snp government we have more than doubled the _ course of the snp government we have more than doubled the childcare - more than doubled the childcare available — more than doubled the childcare available for— more than doubled the childcare available for children— more than doubled the childcare available for children and - more than doubled the childcare i available for children and families around _ available for children and families around the — available for children and families around the country. _ available for children and families around the country. we've - available for children and families i around the country. we've delivered higher— around the country. we've delivered higher growth— around the country. we've delivered higher growth and _ around the country. we've delivered higher growth and gdp _ around the country. we've delivered higher growth and gdp per- around the country. we've delivered higher growth and gdp per capita i higher growth and gdp per capita that has— higher growth and gdp per capita that has been— higher growth and gdp per capita that has been achieved _ higher growth and gdp per capita that has been achieved and - higher growth and gdp per capita that has been achieved and the l higher growth and gdp per capita i that has been achieved and the rest of the _ that has been achieved and the rest of the uk _ that has been achieved and the rest ofthe uk over— that has been achieved and the rest of the uk over our— that has been achieved and the rest of the uk over our time _ that has been achieved and the rest of the uk over our time in- that has been achieved and the rest of the uk over our time in office. i of the uk over our time in office. so the _ of the uk over our time in office. so the snp— of the uk over our time in office. so the snp has _ of the uk over our time in office. so the snp has delivered - of the uk over our time in office. so the snp has delivered much. of the uk over our time in office. i so the snp has delivered much for scotland _ so the snp has delivered much for scotland and — so the snp has delivered much for scotland and the _ so the snp has delivered much for scotland and the government i- so the snp has delivered much forl scotland and the government i lead is focused _ scotland and the government i lead is focused on — scotland and the government i lead is focused on making _ scotland and the government i lead is focused on making sure - scotland and the government i lead is focused on making sure that- scotland and the government i lead is focused on making sure that we i is focused on making sure that we continue _ is focused on making sure that we continue that _ is focused on making sure that we continue that delivery— is focused on making sure that we continue that delivery for- is focused on making sure that we continue that delivery for people i continue that delivery for people and their— continue that delivery for people and their lives— continue that delivery for people and their lives in— continue that delivery for people and their lives in scotland. i- continue that delivery for people and their lives in scotland. 1:3an continue that delivery for people and their lives in scotland. i am in awe, i and their lives in scotland. i am in awe. i won't _ and their lives in scotland. i am in awe, i won't man's _ and their lives in scotland. i am in awe, i won't man's play in - and their lives in scotland. i am in awe, i won't man's play in your i awe, i won't man's play in your interview to you, the call for an emergency budget —— mansplain. but asking them to do something they know they're probably not going to do. . ., ~' know they're probably not going to do. ,., ~ ., ., do. yet, so i think overall in the round, do. yet, so i think overall in the round. adam. — do. yet, so i think overall in the round, adam, listening - do. yet, so i think overall in the round, adam, listening to, i do. yet, so i think overall in the round, adam, listening to, it's. do. yet, so i think overall in the i round, adam, listening to, it's been such a _ round, adam, listening to, it's been such a long — round, adam, listening to, it's been such a long week i've nearly forgot your name — such a long week i've nearly forgot your name their full. like such a long week i've nearly forgot your name their full.— your name their full. like i don't think i look— your name their full. like i don't think i look like _ your name their full. like i don't think i look like a _ your name their full. like i don't thinki look like a richard. it i your name their full. like i don't| thinki look like a richard. it was interesting _ thinki look like a richard. it was interesting to _ thinki look like a richard. it was interesting to john _ thinki look like a richard. it was interesting to john swinney i thinki look like a richard. it was interesting to john swinney is i think i look like a richard. it was i interesting to john swinney is this. john swinney says that it's really important — john swinney says that it's really important that scotland gets rid of the conservative government. and so i was _ the conservative government. and so i was saying _ the conservative government. and so i was saying to him, well would not the easiest— i was saying to him, well would not the easiest way for a scottish voter to guarantee if that's what they wanted. — to guarantee if that's what they wanted, to get rid of the conservative government, to vote for the labour— conservative government, to vote for the labour party? because they are the labour party? because they are the alternative uk government. and of course. _ the alternative uk government. and of course, he then makes an argument that says. _ of course, he then makes an argument that says. no. — of course, he then makes an argument that says, no, because the snp is the true _ that says, no, because the snp is the true voice of scotland and then he makes — the true voice of scotland and then he makes his argument on that truck. but there's— he makes his argument on that truck. but there's an interesting sort of logical— but there's an interesting sort of logical tussle for him there, on the one hand _ logical tussle for him there, on the one hand the snp broadly on the centreleft politically, often when there _ centreleft politically, often when there is — centreleft politically, often when there is a — centreleft politically, often when there is a conservative government in westminster will throw a lot of their— in westminster will throw a lot of their gar— in westminster will throw a lot of their gar arguments around a conservative government that scotland — conservative government that scotland hasn't itself voted for. that _ scotland hasn't itself voted for. that becomes trickier when labour are competitive —— labour are competitive. and the broader instincts _ competitive. and the broader instincts are may be to favour a labour — instincts are may be to favour a labour government over a conservative one. if labour are your principal— conservative one. if labour are your principal opponents in most of the seas, _ principal opponents in most of the seas. not— principal opponents in most of the seas, not all of the seats, the six seats _ seas, not all of the seats, the six seats held — seas, not all of the seats, the six seats held by the conservative in the scotland have the snp is the main _ the scotland have the snp is the main challenger. but when the main battleground is scottish politics is between — battleground is scottish politics is between the snp and labour, and you have the _ between the snp and labour, and you have the snp acknowledging that they would like to see the back of the conservative mac government, how you frame _ conservative mac government, how you frame the _ conservative mac government, how you frame the message as the snp, confronted by that wider political dynamic — confronted by that wider political d namic. . confronted by that wider political d namic. , ., ., ., dynamic. then 'ust on another sub'ect, dynamic. then 'ust on another subject. keir_ dynamic. then just on another subject, keir starmer - dynamic. then just on another subject, keir starmer being i dynamic. then just on another subject, keir starmer being in | subject, keir starmer being in scotland as well but a different part of the country, he's an oil and gas territory. talking about labor's policy of launching gb energy which listeners tend newscast will know, because ed miliband has talked to us quite a bit about it at the labour cart party conference. it was never going to be an energy company that you could get a bill from, you couldn't sign up for them as your energy provider, it's a more nuanced thing about investment and generating new energy projects rather than generating the energy itself. but they've had a bit, it's lunch today, not that it's even launched, they're not setting it up today, it's been a bit tricky as well. it hasn't gone 100% smoothly. no, it needs a bit of fleshing out precisely— no, it needs a bit of fleshing out precisely what it is firstly, and then— precisely what it is firstly, and then secondly, they've been taking quite _ then secondly, they've been taking quite a _ then secondly, they've been taking quite a bit — then secondly, they've been taking quite a bit of heat from both conservatives and the smp about the extent _ conservatives and the smp about the extent to _ conservatives and the smp about the extent to which their broader outlook— extent to which their broader outlook on energy and in particular the oil— outlook on energy and in particular the oil and — outlook on energy and in particular the oil and gas industry off the north—east coast of scotland and their— north—east coast of scotland and their desire, labrum's desire that there _ their desire, labrum's desire that there shouldn't be any more licenses for development in the north sea, could _ for development in the north sea, could cause significant numbers of jobs _ could cause significant numbers of jobs. there's a bit of guesswork going _ jobs. there's a bit of guesswork going on— jobs. there's a bit of guesswork going on there, but it's pretty clear— going on there, but it's pretty clear that _ going on there, but it's pretty clear that the opposition to that is significant — clear that the opposition to that is significant and the concerns around its economic impact are significant. as far— its economic impact are significant. as far as _ its economic impact are significant. as far as gb — its economic impact are significant. as far as gb energy is concerned, sir keir_ as far as gb energy is concerned, sir keir starmer keen to grounded it, sir keir starmer keen to grounded it. yes _ sir keir starmer keen to grounded it. yes with— sir keir starmer keen to grounded it, yes with that gb badge but also if you _ it, yes with that gb badge but also if you like — it, yes with that gb badge but also if you like with a solitaire hanging from _ if you like with a solitaire hanging from it _ if you like with a solitaire hanging from it as — if you like with a solitaire hanging from it as well. why, because they say it— from it as well. why, because they say it would — from it as well. why, because they say it would be headquartered here in scotland. i guess from labour— mack's perspective, in scotland. i guess from labour—mack's perspective, from a unionist— labour—mack's perspective, from a unionist party perspective want to see it _ unionist party perspective want to see it in _ unionist party perspective want to see it in its — unionist party perspective want to see it in its broadly constitutional set up _ see it in its broadly constitutional set up you — see it in its broadly constitutional set up you put things that have a gb badge _ set up you put things that have a gb badge on in — set up you put things that have a gb badge on in scotland as a kind of binding _ badge on in scotland as a kind of binding agent of the uk union. the other— binding agent of the uk union. the other thing — binding agent of the uk union. the other thing to make the obvious political— other thing to make the obvious political point but it's worth making. _ political point but it's worth making, there is a very good political— making, there is a very good political reason, at least strategically, they would see it, look labour, for having keir starmer. _ look labour, for having keir starmer, angela rayner, ed miliband and nsk— starmer, angela rayner, ed miliband and nsr were... 0h, starmer, angela rayner, ed miliband and nsr were... oh, i starmer, angela rayner, ed miliband and nsr were... 0h, ithink starmer, angela rayner, ed miliband and nsr were... oh, i think there starmer, angela rayner, ed miliband and nsr were... 0h, ithink there is and nsr were... 0h, ithink there is a fire— and nsr were... 0h, ithink there is a fire test _ and nsr were... 0h, ithink there is a fire test. 0h, and nsr were... 0h, ithink there is a fire test. oh, this is exciting, isn't _ a fire test. oh, this is exciting, isn't it? — a fire test. oh, this is exciting, isn't it? �* . �* . a fire test. oh, this is exciting, isn't it? �* ., �* , ., a fire test. oh, this is exciting, isn't it? �* ., �*, ., ., isn't it? i'm glad it's not a real fire. isn't it? i'm glad it's not a real fire- am _ isn't it? i'm glad it's not a real fire- am i— isn't it? i'm glad it's not a real fire. am i going _ isn't it? i'm glad it's not a real fire. am i going to _ isn't it? i'm glad it's not a real fire. am i going to be - isn't it? i'm glad it's not a real i fire. am i going to be blasted by white noise _ fire. am i going to be blasted by white noise in _ fire. am i going to be blasted by white noise in a _ fire. am i going to be blasted by white noise in a minute? - fire. am i going to be blasted by white noise in a minute? i don't| white noise in a minute? i don't know _ white noise in a minute? i don't know. maybe something only dogs can hear. . . ~ know. maybe something only dogs can hear. , , ,, ., know. maybe something only dogs can hear. .. ~ . “ know. maybe something only dogs can hear. ,, ~ ., “ ., hear. this is like a bbc training course unfolding _ hear. this is like a bbc training course unfolding life _ hear. this is like a bbc training course unfolding life on - hear. this is like a bbc training i course unfolding life on newscast. let me see if i can fit my little labour — let me see if i can fit my little labour analysis point between now and the _ labour analysis point between now and the fire. i'll give the short version — and the fire. i'll give the short version. quite a lot of shadow cabinet — version. quite a lot of shadow cabinet ministers as well as the labour— cabinet ministers as well as the labour leader in scotland all at this event— labour leader in scotland all at this event today, why, because this is they— this event today, why, because this is they hope labour rich, fertile pickings — is they hope labour rich, fertile pickings come the general election particularly the whole belt of seats that exist — particularly the whole belt of seats that exist in and around glasgow and edinburgh. _ that exist in and around glasgow and edinburgh, the central belt of scotland. it's so, so important to labour— scotland. it's so, so important to labour and — scotland. it's so, so important to labour and to scotland. it's so, so important to labourand to keir scotland. it's so, so important to labour and to keir starmer and they are confident they can do well, because — are confident they can do well, because it's the counterpoint to that whole thing about the kind of headwinds into which the snp are walking — headwinds into which the snp are walking. so you're going to see keir starmer— walking. so you're going to see keir starmer here very often, i think he was here _ starmer here very often, i think he was here last friday, here again today. _ was here last friday, here again today. i— was here last friday, here again today, i have no idea his precise diary— today, i have no idea his precise diary but— today, i have no idea his precise diary but i— today, i have no idea his precise diary but i would not be surprised if he _ diary but i would not be surprised if he was — diary but i would not be surprised if he was here pretty much every week— if he was here pretty much every week until— if he was here pretty much every week until polling day, because firstly. — week until polling day, because firstly, there is a need for a distinct— firstly, there is a need for a distinct message i think, here in scotland. — distinct message i think, here in scotland, it's a different policy, it's a _ scotland, it's a different policy, it's a different nation, it feels different— it's a different nation, it feels different in many senses politically. different in many senses politically-— different in many senses politically. different in many senses oliticall . ., ., politically. oh, well done. you nearly time — politically. oh, well done. you nearly time to _ politically. oh, well done. you nearly time to that _ politically. oh, well done. you nearly time to that perfectly. i nearly time to that perfectly. announcer:— nearly time to that perfectly. announcer: ., , ., , announcer: please leave the building b the announcer: please leave the building by the nearest — announcer: please leave the building by the nearest available _ announcer: please leave the building by the nearest available exit. _ announcer: please leave the building by the nearest available exit. it - by the nearest available exit. it would by the nearest available exit. would be a very bad idea for by the nearest available exit.- would be a very bad idea for make you stay in the building when that announcement is coming. but you stay in the building when that announcement is coming. but she 'ust said it was a — announcement is coming. but she 'ust said it was a test. i announcement is coming. but she 'ust said it was a test. the i announcement is coming. but she 'ust said it was a test. the message i announcement is coming. but she just said it was a test. the message was i said it was a test. the message was discipline. _ said it was a test. the message was discipline, sol said it was a test. the message was discipline, so i think we'll see a lot of— discipline, so i think we'll see a lot of keir— discipline, so i think we'll see a lot of keir starmer in scotland with or without — lot of keir starmer in scotland with or without the fire test. fire test blares and chris mason, your political analysis for today's episode of newscast is now complete. you may to. beini newscast is now complete. you may go- being bound. — newscast is now complete. you may go. being bound, thank— newscast is now complete. you may go. being bound, thank you. - newscast is now complete. you may go. being bound, thank you. and i newscast is now complete. you may i go. being bound, thank you. and that was chris mason _ go. being bound, thank you. and that was chris mason this _ go. being bound, thank you. and that was chris mason this afternoon, i've i was chris mason this afternoon, i've no idea where he ended up, i hope he gets to sleep in his own bed at some point this weekend. all right, james, where were you when you saw the push alert that trump had been convicted in new york on thursday night?