should kill off a lot of the showers through tomorrow, lighterwinds, but the blue is hanging around the country, the arctic air we had early in the week so it will make it feel cooler than what we expect this time in june. we cooler than what we expect this time injune. we start off with clear skies, some sunshine, bit of mist and fog across western areas through tomorrow morning, a few showers across eastern areas, looks like it will be another day of sunshine and show�*s, the cloud bubbling up in the afternoon. the best centre in the west, 17 or 18 degrees, these are joe biden heading to delaware after his son is found guilty in federal court. ., ., , . , court. how will it affect this american — court. how will it affect this american political - court. how will it affect this american political dynasty? i court. how will it affect this - american political dynasty? farage american political dynasty? fa rage ducking american political dynasty? farage ducking for cover. do we take threats to politicians seriously enough. hello and welcome to newsnight, live each week night. a heady mix of illuminating interviews and eye—popping insight. tonight, we're dealing in big political danger, literally and metaphorically, on both sides of the atlantic. we'll talk biden in a moment with a fascinating guest. but first, here, nigel farage took some some incoming on top of an open top bus from an object — or objects as yet unidentified — and tweeted that our democracy is under threat. on the sofa tonight, marvin rees, the former labour mayor of bristol — no stranger to threats. the writer, broadcaster and podcaster rachel johnson and shaun bailey, the tory peer and former mayoral candidate for london and of course, our in—house political head honcho nick watt. firstly, rachel, you are the sister of politicians, the daughter of a politician and yet people feel that you are to blame, that they can abuse you. what is that like? i get it to such a — abuse you. what is that like? i get it to such a small _ abuse you. what is that like? i get it to such a small extent _ abuse you. what is that like? i get it to such a small extent compared to the two guys on either side of me and probably even nick gets it in the neck too. anyone vaguely recognisable is subject to, you know, some kind of... i was attacked in sainsbury�*s, that's what really surprised me. iwas in sainsbury�*s, that's what really surprised me. i was in sainsbury�*s? it wasn't even lidl! i had a glass of red wine phone over me at wimbledon. i thought, of red wine phone over me at wimbledon. ithought, at of red wine phone over me at wimbledon. i thought, at the home of lawn tennis? but you adjust. but lawn tennis? but you ad'ust. but because oft lawn tennis? but you adjust. but because of that are there times when you feel vulnerable, when you are on your guard? you you feel vulnerable, when you are on your guard?— your guard? you do, you do. i don't want to be — your guard? you do, you do. i don't want to be too _ your guard? you do, you do. i don't want to be too specific _ your guard? you do, you do. i don't want to be too specific about - your guard? you do, you do. i don't want to be too specific about it - want to be too specific about it because, you know, sometimes if you have a show on the radio, people know where you are at certain times and that can make you feel slightly vulnerable, i admit. and that can make you feel slightly vulnerable, iadmit. find and that can make you feel slightly vulnerable, i admit.— and that can make you feel slightly vulnerable, i admit. and the rest of the family are _ vulnerable, i admit. and the rest of the family are maybe _ vulnerable, i admit. and the rest of the family are maybe more - vulnerable, i admit. and the rest of the family are maybe more annuity| the family are maybe more annuity rates than you are because they take the flak all the time but do they talk to you about it?— the flak all the time but do they talk to you about it? when my father nets talk to you about it? when my father gets shouted — talk to you about it? when my father gets shouted at, _ talk to you about it? when my father gets shouted at, abuse, _ talk to you about it? when my father gets shouted at, abuse, he - talk to you about it? when my father gets shouted at, abuse, he says, - talk to you about it? when my father gets shouted at, abuse, he says, i i gets shouted at, abuse, he says, i think you mean my son, because they look very alike in many ways. timer;r look very alike in many ways. they actually look _ look very alike in many ways. they actually look quite _ look very alike in many ways. they actually look quite similar - look very alike in many ways. they actually look quite similar but you are definitely racheljohnson. thank ou, are definitely racheljohnson. thank you. kirsty- — are definitely racheljohnson. thank you, kirsty. marvin, _ are definitely racheljohnson. thank you, kirsty. marvin, there _ are definitely racheljohnson. thank you, kirsty. marvin, there was - are definitely racheljohnson. thank you, kirsty. marvin, there was a - you, kirsty. marvin, there was a documentary — you, kirsty. marvin, there was a documentary about _ you, kirsty. marvin, there was a documentary about you - you, kirsty. marvin, there was a documentary about you and - you, kirsty. marvin, there was a documentary about you and the | documentary about you and the controversy over the constant statue in bristol but there was a troubling moment for you and your wife, kirsten. before we talk about it, let's have a look at the clip. the olice let's have a look at the clip. the police have _ let's have a look at the clip. the police have warned marvin and his wife that _ police have warned marvin and his wife that there are direct threats being _ wife that there are direct threats being made to their family. they have had anti-terrorist _ have had anti—terrorist intelligence... - have had anti—terrorist intelligence... those l have had anti—terrorist - intelligence... those three have had anti—terrorist _ intelligence... those three words together, — intelligence... those three words together, it's— intelligence... those three words together, it's like, _ intelligence... those three words together, it's like, what? - intelligence... those three words together, it's like, what? they. intelligence... those three wordsl together, it's like, what? they say that it _ together, it's like, what? they say that it is _ together, it's like, what? they say that it is low—level— together, it's like, what? they say that it is low—level but _ together, it's like, what? they say that it is low—level but we - together, it's like, what? they say that it is low—level but we want. together, it's like, what? they sayi that it is low—level but we want you aware _ that it is low—level but we want you aware with — that it is low—level but we want you aware with the _ that it is low—level but we want you aware. with the kids, _ that it is low—level but we want you aware. with the kids, they- that it is low—level but we want you aware. with the kids, they saw - that it is low—level but we want you aware. with the kids, they saw the | aware. with the kids, they saw the first threat — aware. with the kids, they saw the first threat because _ aware. with the kids, they saw the first threat because someone - aware. with the kids, they saw the | first threat because someone wrote that marvin — first threat because someone wrote that marvin must _ first threat because someone wrote that marvin must die _ first threat because someone wrote that marvin must die on _ first threat because someone wrote that marvin must die on the - first threat because someone wrote that marvin must die on the side i that marvin must die on the side work _ that marvin must die on the side work. , ., , , ., , work. they said that they should put the t, that marvin _ work. they said that they should put the t, that marvin should _ work. they said that they should put the t, that marvin should diet. - work. they said that they should put the t, that marvin should diet. you | the t, that marvin should diet. you made liuht the t, that marvin should diet. you made light of— the t, that marvin should diet. you made light of it. _ the t, that marvin should diet. you made light of it. i— the t, that marvin should diet. ym. made light of it. i watched more of the documentary. your wife, kirsten, was physically moved by it and it had an effect. was physically moved by it and it had an effect-— was physically moved by it and it had an effect. , ., ~ had an effect. yes, we were talking before we came _ had an effect. yes, we were talking before we came on. _ had an effect. yes, we were talking before we came on. family - had an effect. yes, we were talking before we came on. family isn't - had an effect. yes, we were talking before we came on. family isn't inl before we came on. family isn't in play _ before we came on. family isn't in play i_ before we came on. family isn't in play. i step — before we came on. family isn't in play. i step into public life, my wife _ play. i step into public life, my wife and — play. i step into public life, my wife and children didn't. it is one of the _ wife and children didn't. it is one of the things tom watson want me about— of the things tom watson want me about in_ of the things tom watson want me about in 2012 when i was a candidate. someone asked for a photo of myself— candidate. someone asked for a photo of myself and the children and kirsten — of myself and the children and kirsten because they thought it would — kirsten because they thought it would be good and tom said you have to make _ would be good and tom said you have to make a _ would be good and tom said you have to make a decision because if they are in_ to make a decision because if they are in the — to make a decision because if they are in the photo they will be considered in play. i think sadly it has become part of the way that politics— has become part of the way that politics is— has become part of the way that politics is done. to be honest that isn'tjust_ politics is done. to be honest that isn'tjust about politics is done. to be honest that isn't just about politics and activism. _ isn't just about politics and activism, it is the journalistic framing _ activism, it is the journalistic framing of politics is often about the conflict and the row and the argument — the conflict and the row and the argument more than it is about nuance — argument more than it is about nuance and trade—offs and the subtleties of actually running the place _ subtleties of actually running the place and the trade—offs we must make _ place and the trade—offs we must make. that makes it difficult to have _ make. that makes it difficult to have meaningful discussions about the big _ have meaningful discussions about the big decisions. i�*m have meaningful discussions about the big decisions.— have meaningful discussions about the big decisions. i'm interested in this idea that — the big decisions. i'm interested in this idea that that _ the big decisions. i'm interested in this idea that that very _ the big decisions. i'm interested in this idea that that very thing - this idea that that very thing perhaps makes people think twice, going forward, but whether they want to enter public life and put themselves, really, on the front line. i themselves, really, on the front line. ., , ., , .,, line. i was overseas a view years a . o. line. i was overseas a view years ato. i line. i was overseas a view years ago- i was _ line. i was overseas a view years ago. i was standing _ line. i was overseas a view years ago. i was standing at _ line. i was overseas a view years ago. i was standing at the - line. i was overseas a view years ago. i was standing at the time. | ago. i was standing at the time. this— ago. i was standing at the time. this was— ago. i was standing at the time. this was 2010. he said one of his bil this was 2010. he said one of his big fears — this was 2010. he said one of his big fears is — this was 2010. he said one of his big fears is that the price people pay for— big fears is that the price people pay for getting involved in public life is— pay for getting involved in public life is becoming so high, you only have _ life is becoming so high, you only have two— life is becoming so high, you only have two people doing it, narcissists and those who will pay any price — narcissists and those who will pay any price to get power. there a danger— any price to get power. there a danger if— any price to get power. there a danger if we treat politics to the framework of anger and almost hatred.~~ _ framework of anger and almost hatred, . . -_ framework of anger and almost hatred,... ,, ., ., , ., hatred,... shaun, you have been a candidate and _ hatred,... shaun, you have been a candidate and you _ hatred,... shaun, you have been a candidate and you are _ hatred,... shaun, you have been a candidate and you are out - hatred,... shaun, you have been a candidate and you are out with - candidate and you are out with conservative candidates and i wonder if you feel the hostility and you get incoming?— if you feel the hostility and you get incoming? if you feel the hostility and you tet incomin: ? �*, ., ., , ., get incoming? there's no doubt that there are good _ get incoming? there's no doubt that there are good people _ get incoming? there's no doubt that there are good people who - get incoming? there's no doubt that there are good people who would i get incoming? there's no doubt that there are good people who would be in politics _ there are good people who would be in politics who — there are good people who would be in politics who have _ there are good people who would be in politics who have seen— there are good people who would be in politics who have seen what - there are good people who would be in politics who have seen what is- in politics who have seen what is happening — in politics who have seen what is happening and _ in politics who have seen what is happening and wide. _ in politics who have seen what is happening and wide. it- in politics who have seen what is happening and wide. it starts- happening and wide. it starts online — happening and wide. it starts online. people _ happening and wide. it starts online. people organise - happening and wide. it startsi online. people organise anger happening and wide. it starts- online. people organise anger and that happens— online. people organise anger and that happens in— online. people organise anger and that happens in the _ online. people organise anger and that happens in the physical- online. people organise anger andi that happens in the physical world. when _ that happens in the physical world. when susan — that happens in the physical world. when susan cole _ that happens in the physical world. when susan cole ran _ that happens in the physical world. when susan cole ran for— that happens in the physical world. when susan cole ran for the - that happens in the physical world. | when susan cole ran for the mayor, she said _ when susan cole ran for the mayor, she said she — when susan cole ran for the mayor, she said she was— when susan cole ran for the mayor, she said she was sometimes- when susan cole ran for the mayor, she said she was sometimes afraid, j she said she was sometimes afraid, she said she was sometimes afraid, she is— she said she was sometimes afraid, she is travelling _ she said she was sometimes afraid, she is travelling round _ she said she was sometimes afraid, she is travelling round london - she said she was sometimes afraid, she is travelling round london and i she is travelling round london and someone — she is travelling round london and someone might— she is travelling round london and someone might go— she is travelling round london and someone might go to _ she is travelling round london and someone might go to her, - she is travelling round london and someone might go to her, what i she is travelling round london and - someone might go to her, what should she do? _ someone might go to her, what should she do? men _ someone might go to her, what should she do? men came _ someone might go to her, what should she do? men came to _ someone might go to her, what should she do? men came to my— someone might go to her, what should she do? men came to my house - someone might go to her, what should she do? men came to my house and i someone might go to her, what should. she do? men came to my house and the police _ she do? men came to my house and the police had _ she do? men came to my house and the police had to— she do? men came to my house and the police had to get— she do? men came to my house and the police had to get involved. _ she do? men came to my house and the police had to get involved. we _ she do? men came to my house and the police had to get involved. we have - police had to get involved. we have made _ police had to get involved. we have made politics— police had to get involved. we have made politics about _ police had to get involved. we have made politics about personal- made politics about personal attacks, _ made politics about personal attacks, so _ made politics about personal attacks, so people _ made politics about personal attacks, so people attack. i made politics about personall attacks, so people attack. we made politics about personal attacks, so people attack. we have no idea what _ attacks, so people attack. we have no idea what was _ attacks, so people attack. we have no idea what was thrown _ attacks, so people attack. we have no idea what was thrown at - attacks, so people attack. we have no idea what was thrown at nigel. no idea what was thrown at nigel farage, whether it was actually dangerous. the fact of it is something that's unsettling. it is. i ttoin to something that's unsettling. it is. i going to say _ something that's unsettling. it is. i going to say something - something that's unsettling. it is. i going to say something very carefully, here. it is a taxable, right — carefully, here. it is a taxable, right. protest is a legitimate part of the _ right. protest is a legitimate part of the politicaljourney. progress we've _ of the politicaljourney. progress we've made in this country and around — we've made in this country and around the _ we've made in this country and around the world has often been ushered — around the world has often been ushered in — around the world has often been ushered in by people making protest but it should be intelligent, informed and properly targeted. it must _ informed and properly targeted. it must think about how it lands in the public— must think about how it lands in the public domain. protest is important. what _ public domain. protest is important. what happened around nigel wasn't acceptable, not an intelligent kind of protest. i can't pretend that he hasn't _ of protest. i can't pretend that he hasn't fed — of protest. i can't pretend that he hasn't fed into a culture of anger that ends— hasn't fed into a culture of anger that ends up manifesting in this kind of— that ends up manifesting in this kind of aggressive politics. there's more developments _ kind of aggressive politics. there's more developments on _ kind of aggressive politics. there's more developments on the - kind of aggressive politics. there's more developments on the nigel. more developments on the nigel farage story tonight question what yes, a 28—year—old man has been arrested in barnsley after allegedly throwing items at the open top bus that nigel farage was campaigning on. that nigel farage was campaigning on, ., ., that nigel farage was campaigning on. . ., ., ~ ., ., o