Another elimination tomorrow. Helen is standing by. You another elimination tomorrow. Helen is standing by. Helen is standing by. You got the results helen is standing by. You got the results there helen is standing by. You got the results there of helen is standing by. You got the results there of that the results there of that Ballot And Tom tugendhat goes out. He was broadly expected to lose out today in this round. It is interesting if you look at the numbers, Tom Tugendhat with 20 votes, he went back one from the last round when he got 21, robertjenrick had been in the lead in each round until this one, he had 33 votes in the last one but now it is 31. Kemi badenoch has increased by two votes but the big win in this round is James Cleverly. Last time he was joint last with Tom Tugendhat with 21 votes but he has leapt up to 39. It was suggested he had had a pretty good Party Conference last week and he really made the most of the opportunity he had to talk to members. His speech was very well received. That seems to have followed through, the momentum, and translated into the votes of mps and 39 isjust translated into the votes of mps and 39 is just one off the Magic Number of a0 that would secure him a place in the final round. ,. ,. , round. Remind us of what this means for round. Remind us of what this means for the round. Remind us of what this means for the different means for the different perspectives within The Party. What wings of The Party are now represented . What wings of The Party are now represented . Tom tugendhat was seen as a centrist represented . Tom tugendhat was seen as a centrist candidate seen as a centrist candidate and he had a lot of links to the one Nation Group which are moderate conservatives, and they have lost one of those candidates off the ballot which leaves James Cleverly, hes also seen as a centrist, and then Kemi Badenoch and Robert Jenrick further to the right and they have been making their pitch much more to the right of The Party. You now have a choice of those trees so it will be interesting to see whether the final pair that gets put to the membership have the contest between the centrist vision and the right vision or do they end up with two candidates of the Right And Choosing between them . What choosing between them . What kind of Difference Choosing between them . What kind of difference does choosing between them . What kind of difference does it choosing between them . What kind of difference does it make and how far apart are the visions of The Party and do we have an idea of what the Policy Differences are . Have an idea of what the Policy Differences are . Each candidate has set out differences are . Each candidate has set out various differences are . Each candidate has set out various Bits Differences are . Each candidate has set out various bits of has set out various bits of policy and quite a lot of It Overlaps but they do have slightly distinct positions, all three of them have committed to spending 3 of gdp on defence, but some have a timeframe and others dont. Kemi badenoch has been pitching on what she calls a return to first principles rather than necessarily picking on specific policies so shes talking about what makes the conservatives conservative and shes talking about smaller government and more personal responsibility. James cleverly is talking about lower taxes and smaller Government And Robertjenrick has gone big on immigration. He is the only one left in the contest who said he would put a numerical cap on net migration and he said he would cap this in the tens of thousands. There are bits of overlap but they also have quite distinct Policy Differences and also differences and also differences in character because it is not all about Policy And Part of being the Leader Of The Opposition and also part of being Prime Minister which is what they would like to be, is to do with Character And Approach on how you interact with people and that has been on display as well over the last few weeks. Let me run through the numbers again. James cleverly, the Front Runner with 39 votes received from his fellow mps. Robertjenrick on 31. Kemi badenoch on 30. Tom tugendhat at the bottom on 20. Now knocked out. So what is the process from now until we get the new leader . Process from now until we get the new leader . There will be a further round the new leader . There will be a further round of the new leader . There will be a further round of voting, the new leader . There will be a further round of voting, around| further round of voting, around this time tomorrow, where those three candidates will become two and when the final two are chosen, Ballot Papers will be sent out to the conservative Party Membership and we should expect them to start landing about next week, and they will have a couple of weeks to vote for their choice and they are mostly encouraged to do that online with some postal voting as well, the ballot closes on the 31st of october, the day after the budget, and we will get the final Announcement And Result on the 2nd Of November. 2nd Of November is the key date. Can we learn anything from the last couple of Leadership Elections for the Conservative Party . On the type of candidate that the members end up choosing . It is of candidate that the members end up choosing . End up choosing . It is always dangerous end up choosing . It is always dangerous to end up choosing . It is always dangerous to generalise end up choosing . It is always dangerous to generalise too l dangerous to generalise too much about the members and what they want but demographically, they want but demographically, they tend to be older and the tent to lean a bit more to the right so the Working Assumption is that robertjenrick would go down very well with the members and also Kemi Badenoch and last week she really did capture a lot of people with her speech. People said they really enjoyed what she said and the way she was putting it. But do not discount James Cleverly if you makes it into the final two if he. It is difficult to generalise about individual members and we will have to see where it goes but in the past they have generally tended to go more towards the right, if you look towards Liz Truss, she was victorious over Rishi Sunak, the last time it went to the membership, because when Rishi Sunak was elected, there was nobody standing against him. The Leadership Contest before that was Boris Johnson Againstjeremy before that was borisjohnson Againstjeremy Hunt and Boris Johnson was the winner. But it was also the membership who chose David Cameron in the 20005 chose David Cameron in the 2000s so you cannot generalise too much and you have got to wait and see. Wait and see. Lets focus on the new wait and see. Lets focus on the new Front Wait and see. Lets focus on the new Front Runner, wait and see. Lets focus on | the new Front Runner, James Cleverly. The new Front Runner, James Cleverly cleverly. Interesting candidate, cleverly. Interesting candidate, he cleverly. Interesting candidate, he has. Cleverly. Interesting candidate, he has been, there was a lot of discussion about whether he would run but he has been pitching himself as the most experienced candidate and he is a former home secretary, former Foreign Secretary, and having History And Government does come with baggage so he was very much one of the faces of the previous government under Rishi Sunak and Liz Truss and borisjohnson, and because he is a pretty talented media performer, he is pretty recognisable from those governments. He is pitching that as experience and a positive, that he knows how to work in government and he knows how to get things done but the flip side is that it comes with the baggage of all of those previous administrations. Lets focus on the previous administrations. Lets focus on the man previous administrations. Lets focus on the man who previous administrations. Lets focus on the man who was focus on the man who was knocked out, Tom Tugendhat. Some were expecting that this would be the moment he would fall out of the race. Fall out of the race. Tom tugendhat fall out of the race. Tom tugendhat is fall out of the race. Tom tugendhat is the fall out of the race. Tom | tugendhat is the Shadow Security Minister and he was the Security Minister in the last government and he has been an mp since 2015 in tonbridge in kent and has also spent time in kent and has also spent time in the army and he made a lot about his career in the army. His slogan was served, lead, act, and he was deemed as being solid and competent but also having strong links to the one Nation Wing of The Party and it was always felt that might be where he was not able to broaden that appeal to the wider membership. And of course the mps. He did run in a previous contest which eventually elected Liz Truss although he never made it as far as the membership. It was widely expected that this was probably the point where he would exit the contest. He had a good conference last week, there was Tom Tugendhat merchandise last week, fake tattoos, coffee cups, so he did a good job of creating a buzz about his run but it was always felt that he was probably not going to make it into the final two. � , going to make it into the final two. � ,. ,. , two. Lets focus now on those who are behind two. Lets focus now on those who are behind james two. Lets focus now on those i who are behind James Cleverly, just to remind you, James Cleverly with 39 votes from Conservative Party mps, so he is now the frontrunner, second place is Kemi Badenoch, forgive me, robertjenrick with 31, and just behind him is Kemi Badenoch with 30 and then Tom Tugendhat with 20. We are down to the final three members. Talk me through The Other Two and we have talked a bit about James Cleverly so now lets hear about Kemi Badenoch and robertjenrick. Hear about Kemi Badenoch and Robert Jenrick. Robert jenrick. Kemi badenoch was the business Robert Jenrick. Kemi badenoch was the Business Sector Robert Jenrick. Kemi badenoch was the Business Sector in Robert Jenrick. Kemi badenoch was the Business Sector in the | was the Business Sector in the last government and is seen as a pretty big thinker, pitching herself on the idea of going back to first principles and looking at what it means to be a conservative, so she has a reputation for being a bit, not shying away from a fight, and one of her supporters acknowledged that she was great but he felt she could start a fight on an empty room. She said shes not going after the anti woke agenda but she says she is standing up for what she believes and she does not shy away from confrontation, so to some people that is appealing but others worry it will land them in the sort of issues they have seen in the past where we have seen in the past where we have seen in the past where we have seen the infighting and having to clarify things and that sort of confusion. Robert jenrick started off as the Front Runner and he has had a very slick campaign and he was the Immigration Minister in the last government but he resigned from that post. Used to be more centrist but he has moved to the right in the last couple of years. He has been very well prepared and resourced and his team are pretty confident and they have been throughout that he will reach the final two. He seems to have a good base of support last week and it has held up. He has gone back a couple but his team were not expecting to pick up that many votes in this round. Im going to see if we can grab somebody. Note. Iwill try to see if we can grab somebody. Note. I will try to talk to somebody. No. You are back inJames Cleverly. You are back inJames Cleverly. You are the mpa . Are back in James Cleverly. You are the mp4 . Are back in James Cleverly. You are the mpa . East grinstead and uckfield, the are the mpa . East grinstead and uckfield, the mid are the mpa . East grinstead and uckfield, the Mid Sussex are the mpa . East grinstead and uckfield, the Mid Sussex area,. Uckfield, the Mid Sussex area, one of uckfield, the Mid Sussex area, one of the new seats in the boundary one of the new seats in the boundary changes. One of the new seats in the boundary changes. Why James Cleverl . Boundary changes. Why James Cleverly . Hes boundary changes. Why James Cleverly . Hes a boundary changes. Why James Cleverly . Hes a very cleverly . Hes a very approachable cleverly . Hes a very. Approachable candidate, cleverly . Hes a very approachable candidate, and i must approachable candidate, and i must say, congratulations to all the must say, congratulations to all the candidates, we have had all the candidates, we have had a great all the candidates, we have had a great race, we started with a wider a great race, we started with a Wider Field including Mel Stride Wider Field including Mel Stride and Priti Patel and we have Stride And Priti patel and we have got Stride And Priti patel and we have got down to the four today including have got down to the four today including Tom Tugendhat who is my near including Tom Tugendhat who is my near neighbour and has run a great my near neighbour and has run a great campaign with some great colleagues on his campaign and reached colleagues on his campaign and reached out to new voters and younger reached out to new voters and younger voters. Reached out to new voters and youngervoters. Between reached out to new voters and younger voters. Between them, james younger voters. Between them, james what he said on the conference stage, about Conservative Voting being normal, Conservative Voting being normal, to bring the pride back to our normal, to bring the pride back to our party, that resonated with to our party, that resonated with many and that has given him with many and that has given him the with many and that has given him the Manson Today but it has been him the Manson Today but it has been a him the Manson Today but it has been a big him the Manson Today but it has been a big challenge that has been a big challenge that has given been a big challenge that has given him the momentum today~ has given him the momentum today. The next stage is out to the members after the next round the members after the next round which is really crucial and round which is really crucial and then round which is really crucial and then above all the countries that we have got to Win Everybody back. He countries that we have got to Win Everybody back. Win everybody back. He has itched Win Everybody back. He has pitched himself Win Everybody back. He has pitched himself as Win Everybody back. He has pitched himself as the Win Everybody back. He has| pitched himself as the figure of experience but that comes with baggage and we have seen that in the last few days where people have questioned his role in opening the negotiations around the Chagos Islands, for example, so do you worry his previous links are a drawback . I have got plenty of baggage after i have got plenty of baggage after having been a minister for the after having been a minister for the last eight years in various for the last eight years in various roles, with work on very various roles, with work on very proud of, and that is what james very proud of, and that is what james is very proud of, and that is what james is putting forward, that a lot james is putting forward, that a lot of james is putting forward, that a lot of the work we have done we are a lot of the work we have done we are proud of, and looking at chagos we are proud of, and looking at Chagos Islands, there was 18 months Chagos Islands, there was 18 months of negotiations and the opportunity to talk and we always opportunity to talk and we always talk to our friends and neighbours and those around us but labour is the government have but labour is the government have capitulated on the Chagos Islands have capitulated on the Chagos Islands and will not tell us about islands and will not tell us about how much it has Cost And Ifeel about how much it has cost and i feel they about how much it has cost and i feel they have made the world even i feel they have made the world even more insecure. My near neighbour even more insecure. My near neighbour in crawley is pretty aghast neighbour in crawley is pretty aghast at what has happened, he had 40 aghast at what has happened, he had 40 Minutes Notice and that is disgraceful. Is disgraceful. James cleverly would never is disgraceful. James cleverly would never have is disgraceful. James cleverly would never have agreed is disgraceful. James cleverly i would never have agreed these negotiations . It is would never have agreed these negotiations . Negotiations . It is very difficult negotiations . It is very difficult as negotiations . It is very difficult as foreign negotiations . It is very difficult as Foreign Secretary do not difficult as Foreign Secretary do not engage with people about whatever they want but it is not about the negotiations and engagement, it is about the agreement, and the agreement has been agreement, and the agreement has been agreed by Labour Government and a Foreign Secretary in the chamber who would secretary in the chamber who would not say how much it has cost would not say how much it has cost and would not say how much it has cost and will not be clear about cost and will not be clear about any insecurity that has come about any insecurity that has come with it and you would expect come with it and you would expect negotiations to happen so for expect negotiations to happen so for me, james has been upfront so for me, james has been upfront. If you have done nothing upfront. If you have done nothing in politics and stood for nothing, guess what, everybody will like you, but if you have everybody will like you, but if you have done the work, of course you have done the work, of course people will have a view. He is course people will have a view. He is now course people will have a view. He is now the last centrist standing in the contest and his historically the members have been slightly to the right of The Party, can he command enough support . We of The Party, can he command enough support . Of The Party, can he command enough support . We are fighting the local elections enough support . We are fighting the local elections and enough support . We are fighting the local elections and i enough support . We are fighting the local elections and i have the local elections and i have a By Election in my own patch right a By Election in my own patch right now. A By Election in my own patch right now, and the Spring Elections which will be many County Elections which will be many County Elections and a chance to give County Elections and a chance to give a County Elections and a chance to give a vote on what the feeble to give a vote on what the feeble Labour Government is actually feeble Labour Government is actually doing. Theres an Opportunity Withjames actually doing. Theres an opportunity with James Cleverly at the opportunity with James Cleverly at the helm to set the direction of travel. And of course direction of travel. And of course people are going to have a View Course people are going to have a view on course people are going to have a view on centrists, right or left, a view on centrists, right or left, and a view on centrists, right or left, and im proud of The Party, left, and im proud of The Party, we are pragmatic compassionate caring Conservative Party and sometimes very broad church gives sometimes very broad church gives challenges but i think james gives challenges but i think james can unify those challenges and above all we have challenges and above all we have got to bring a coherent message as the official opposition to labour and to do Thatjob Opposition to labour and to do thatjob well and i thinkjames has Got Thatjob well and i thinkjames has got that experience. That job well and i thinkjames has got that experi