assistance with technological help with their missile or even their nuclear program? that's certainly the big concern in the united states. and elsewhere about this burgeoning relationship answers that he can. thank you. >> the news continues to the source of kaitlan collins starts now starting from the source tonight, the message and the payback mission. by both campaigns are focusing on these same issue. but a new message from a trump ally who was two weeks away from reporting to prison and pardon the interruption. but there is a big news tonight from headline from my rising star democratic politics. and one of the most sweeping acts of clemency that we've ever see plus lottery putin in north korea, pair of nuclear arms pariahs are meeting face to face. but one of the most secretive places on the planet. >> but putin needs that kim jong-un has i'm galen collins, and this it's because the source tonight, we are just ten days away. it's hard to believe but from the first 2024 presidential debate right here on cnn it is becoming clearer tonight what both campaigns see as the central issue of this race, and both seem to think that focusing on donald trump's legal drama actually works to their benefit. case in point is television ad that the biden campaign just dropped $50 million on this election is between a convicted criminal who's only out for himself at a president who fighting for your family remember the biden team was trying very carefully around trump's trial. well, you can throw that out the window tonight because now the image that is front and center in that new ad when it notes that the presumptive republican nominee is indeed a convicted criminal it's trump's georgia mug shot. that would be the very same mug shot that trump himself has now handing out a swag before friendly interviews this is your mug shot says here, can you guys as well we're reducing this way test for voters do you see trump that convicted criminal? >> or do you see trump, the persecuted former president? tonight, the biden team, their claim that trump is out only for himself in this campaign is coming as what we're hearing from one of the loudest voices and right-wing media, steve bannon, vowing that it is not a question of if, but when donald trump will go after those who prosecuted him november 5 is judgment day. january 20, 2025 is accountability de get every single receipt and to the fullest extension of the law, you are going to be investigated prosecuted in incarcerated. ladies and gentlemen. it's very simple victory, or death victory or death. >> if there was any doubt in anyone's mind about whether or not donald trump is still in touch with his former chief strategist in the white house, who was abruptly fired at one point and had pretty frosty relations with trump. but is now set to report to prison. and just two weeks look at what happened today to carry hanger four once i get i got a call from somebody got to take just to hang on okay. hey, mr. president, i'm live on tv back i'll call you back, sir. >> thank you carrie continue on. >> your favorite person joining me tonight at the table. >> my top political sources, cnn, political commentator and former trump white house communications director alyssa farah griffin and democratic strategists, julie rogan, ski and former new york city mayor bill to blogs you as well. glad to have all of you here. >> but alyssa, just hearing that that moment there at the end before trump was calling steve bannon on his podcasts where he was talking about what this revenge tour is going to look like. >> an end is quote, was that everyone is going to be investigated, prosecuted, and incarcerated, specifically naming top officials of the doj or people like the special counsel, jack smith what did you make of that as someone who used to work with steve bannon? >> yeah. i mean, listen, donald trump's made clear that a second term is gonna be about rage and retribution. he's laid out who he's going to go after now, steve bannon as this figure who was very close early in the first trump administration was on the outs and his back on the inside and he's one of these outside voices that i think trump's sees a sort of a liveness test. he's gauges him as somebody who knows what his base wants. any packs an incredible amount of influence. so when i see him out there saying things like victory or death, that's scary stuff that should be heated. now i would mention it's a terrible general election argument. any normal american watching that is like, what am i watching? >> but to his core base it's that trump is very beholden to and he's going to govern in favor of this is the person who has his finger on the pulse and he's going to listen to me i mean, what would it goes through your mind when you hear that? besides the fact is deeply troubling, it's on american, it's undemocratic. what goes through my mind electorally is it's that's an advertisement to moderate american voters to swing voters, particularly in the suburbs to run away from donald trump i think it's a really interesting juxtaposition with steve bannon's de facto advertisement and joe biden's actual advertisement reminding people that trump's now a convicted criminal to send the same message, ultimately that trump is so far outside the american mainstream. and i do believe that those moderate suburban voters, in the end are going to say we do not want a country that's going out of control in terms of losing track of democracy, enemies lists, people being arrested because of their politics. that's not america. >> yeah, i mean, but julie, when you see that contrast of both campaigns using trump's mug shot, both believing it's politically bit official for them that's quite a moment. it's a moment and i think to the point that the mayor made, people are tired of the drama, right? >> like people sit around at home and they think about how to put their kids through college, how to make pay for groceries, how to pay for gas. they don't sit around thinking i need a president who's going to go after lisa monaco, whoever she may be, right. a name that's not familiar to any of them? with all due respect to lisa monaco but so if you're an average americans sitting around, you're thinking about who's going to be actually looking out for me. >> and you may like or not like the president, but you certainly don't like what you're hearing from the trump campaign, which is that he's going to go after people you've never even heard of, rather than focusing on things that actually affect but but can i say what i do think is effective and shouldn't be slept on his donald trump is trying to reach some of these new environments going and sitting down with jake paul, someone who that is not someone who's going to get you general election votes, but young men who maybe have never voted in election before, don't have political inclinations. >> they're like, oh, he's cool, i follow me as tens of millions of followers across his platform and he's sitting down with him that is something that in some ways i would have expected obama to do ten years ago and i feel like trump is trying to meet young male voters where no one else is meeting them. and that's something to keep an eye on tiktok as well. >> well, and the other interesting thing is sometimes people say, oh, these people who, who talk or maybe freelancing, or they're not actually in touch with donald trump. i mean, trump clearly old steve bannon, we very clearly wanted to just show that it does raise a point. of stability. it is reporting to prison into weeks and this podcast that he has this loud voice in, right in the right-wing base is going to disappear for four months and every bit matters, right? i mean, he is one of the great organizers of the trump projects. so him being out of the commission just when he's needed, that means something. but i also would remind us all i mean, all of this adds up in the political minor voters in those last weeks before the election and again, i think if what they are seeing is this kind of obsessive focus on revenge. this obsessive focus on like settling scores and it's also personal to trump. i do think that turns them off in the end it and i hear the point about the trump campaign having some game they do, they're going some interesting places but the problem is the message never changes. so if you go to younger voters, for example, and they're saying they're going to black and latino voters. but the messages, i want revenge, or the messages i'm going to give tax cuts to the wealthy, or i'm so proud, i took away a woman's right to choose it doesn't matter if you go into a new audience, if it's a message, they don't like, well, what about how the biden campaign is leaning into this and using trump's mug shot. i mean, there's no basis to the claims that trump's allies make about biden orchestrating all of these prosecutions. but what do you make of them actually using his mug shot in the ad and kind of leaning into it in a way that they were not two months ago. >> i'm not sure why they weren't two months ago. well, i guess he wasn't a convicted felon two months ago. they didn't want to put their finger on the scale, but now that he is a convicted felon, why not talk about it? this is crazy, bizarro world. >> we're living in where a major party has nominated or is about to not when eight as their standard bearer, it convicted felon. and if people just pause for a second and think about that, that you might have a pressing united states who's been convicted on 34 criminal counts. and if that actually penetrates people to the point where the biden administration has stored the biden campaign is trying to do that that actually may make a difference because people again, to my point, he's not focusing on us and on you. he's focusing on himself and his plates and his complaints. >> voters care about law and order. this is a really interesting point because a lot of those more moderate voters, if you said to them how important is to have a candidate who truly believes alone order that's a big deal. in the history of american politics. and certainly now the problem for trump is he's crossed a line that for a lot of very sane, sober voters, you can't unsee a criminal conviction. >> yeah. well, and those that politico poll that just came out that says trump's conviction by 20%, 21% of independence less likely to support trump. and when you look at that though not just about trump in the white house, we saw house speaker mike johnson go down to meet with donald trump at mar-a-lago today, obviously something they've done before, alyssa, but it also comes as he was trying to spearhead some attempted legislation that's not going to happen, frankly, but would essentially allow trump to move convictions or the charges in a state to a federal court, it just shows how trump is also still has such influence on the hill that they're putting up bogus legislation to make them feel better. so the trump message is bad and there's a lot of things that can be run on to beat him, but it's also incumbent on biden to communicate that. and what i mean is this that is what the house speaker spending his time doing is trying to do something extra constitutional to expunge the former president's record. they're trying to bring up an impeachment inquiry against joe biden, but yet have yet to identify what the crime is. there are so many things that they've blocked aid to ukraine at his behest, despite the fact that most republicans actually wanted aid to ukraine. biden's gotta get better at telling that story to the american public. has that trump's focus is not on helping you. it's not on the issues that you're focusing on. it is simply on settling scores. seven i do think that debate matters by the way. i think it's a huge moment for him to say, you're a convicted felon, tried to get a rise out of donald trump and try to actually tell the story of what his records been since he left off the biden needs to message better on that hundred percent. >> i think i think he's starting to but i was just gonna say the senate democrats do a great job. 20 out of the republicans can stand behind ivf. there's, there's a lot of mainstream middle-class american families that need that opportunity. so they can have a family second, have children that is a kind of thing that democrats should say. look, we're the party of families were the party had children, were the party making sure that people's lives are better and these guys want retrofit vision and revenge. that's a powerful message. >> i'm so glad you brought up the senate because this new ad from larry hogan today, who is obviously the former governor of maryland who was running for the senate as republican in maryland. he came out after trump's conviction. it said that americans should respect the verdict. basically, it was a jury of their peers. he was roasted by trump's allies over but there's and here's how he has responded to this with this fascinating new ad strong independent leaders can make a difference. that's exactly what washington needs today. he was basically saying he's quoting jfk's adding too much party loyalty is not a good thing. >> he's he's he's in a bind, right? he's blind. he needs the maga crew to come out for and we're all he's never going to win in deep blue maryland. and yet he can't win and deep blue maryland of maga crew comes out for him now, last week, trump came out and said, oh, i might endorse him, i might endorse larry hogan after roasting him so with trump doing that to potentially hurt him because i think that's probably what was he doing? i give former governor hogan so much credit for not taking the endorsement coming on saying it sounds like he's supporting me. he's actually maintaining this independence and standing by what he said since january 6 and before with his criticisms and the republican senate definitely need somebody to replace the mitt romney's of the world. and those were willing to challenge donald trump over that. >> i'm never can tell because he's are capable politician, but running away from your own party in this environment, you either own it or you don't. he could say, i can't live with what's happening. republican party. i'm going to run as an independent that would be honorable. i'm switching the democrat that'd be honorable. but to say, i disagree with republicans on the following 50 things, but i'm still republican. i don't think that waiting to take the party back and i don't think we're ready to give up and be like we're not repeated applicants and i think that's what larry hogan do respect that, but i'm think 2024 and maryland to say, i oppose all these things, but i'm still america. i'm still a republican in donald trump's republican party. i think that's a real hard, very very hard chris christie couldn't win. new jersey as a federal candidate. and i'm not sure larry hogan can win as a federal candidate, maryland. you can do it at the state level. you can be gotten governor because people vote for you as a person, they're not going to vote for somebody is going to caucus with whoever the next mitch mcconnell is, that he probably he's kind of saying, i'm not going to always vote with my party. he was he in the ad which was not included in that though. he cites john mccain doing what he's going to vote for liter for whoever the republican is, that person is going that determined the agenda for the republican party and for the senate. if they become the majority party, and that's the problem because that agenda is, as you said auntie ivf anti all the policies anti-tax cuts for the middle-class, but tax breaks for the rich go on. and so, on and so forth. that's the problem. you're just going to be another vote for a mag extremist who's the person who's going to be already hayes, i think that these are the kind of republicans that we need. and i think that if he can get there, which i agree is an uphill battle, but he's a very adept pout politician. we need people are going to challenge the party from within and accept even somebody like mitt romney ended up voting for mitch mcconnell. that's the problem. they're gonna vote for that guy to be a lot to watch here, to see it all play out. >> alyssa farah griffin jeweler was gins gate form a are built walls you thank you all for being here. >> coming up. we have new reporting on cnn about where steve bannon is actually going to prison. it is not the one he wanted club fed. the more comfortable facility will tell you which one he will be according to. also today in maryland, governor wes moore, who are placed governor hogan, wiped away more than 175,000 marijuana convictions. >> he is our first tonight. there'll be here to talk about that moment two presidents, the former under our leadership, the forgotten man and woman will be forgotten. >> he no longer the current democracy there's still a sacred car and there's no country in the world better positioned to lead the world and who will be the next, the most anticipated moment of this election? 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