daughter was killed in a car crash. a scholarship was created in her honore. but now it's one of more than 100 130 scholarships that have been changed or on hold now because of a ban on diversity programs at public universities in texas. and we've all heard about the 40 acres and a mule promise made after the civil war but did any freed slaves actually get any acres? i'll speak to an investigative journalists about what she found with her team. so that's coming up all right. >> looking forward to it, we watch you. all right. let's get to it right now well first of all, atlanta is hot right now. yeah, it's gonna be in the 90s today, but that's not what i'm talking about. the debate is here in five days, president biden, former president trump, their campaigns, the surrogates all here for the biggest moment yet of the 2024 campaign, cnn's presidential debate. it's right across the hall, actually but there is another big event that politicos are paying close attention to copa america. it's a soccer tournament some of the biggest stars in our hemisphere are playing and it all started thursday in atlanta and the biden campaign sees an opening here to reach latino voters. they have a new ad airing during the games with a football theme four years ago, we were shut down stadiums were empty. trump failed us. >> but then joe biden took over trump talks talks. joe biden gets it done so that ad is about leadership and the economy at the top issue for latinos, often followed by immigration. >> now, just this month, the president made two major moves on border issues. this week, he announced executive action to allow certain undocumented spouses and children of us citizens to apply for lawful permanent residency without leaving the country. earlier, the president announced limits on protections for asylum seekers who cross the border illegally in the white house and the biden campaign have seen the recent polls that suggests republicans even third parties here are gaining ground with latino voters, is any of this likely to have an impact? let's now talk about this with mike madrid. he's a veteran political strategists and author of the brand new book out this week, the latino century, how america's largest minority is transforming democracy. also with us is daniel garza, president of the libre initiative surbatovic hispanic group. thank you. both of you, mike, let me start with you. you warn democrats that their continued loss of latino voters specifically could be the key to a trump reelection. is it that democrats are getting it wrong? or is it that republicans are getting it right primarily question it's actually a great question. >> it's actually a function of both, although most of the movement towards the republican party, which has been happening for about a decade now since the high of 2012 and the obama years it's happening despite republican efforts, not because of that. most of the evidence suggests that there's a larger demographic shift that's happening with third and now even fourth generation latino voters. that's where most of the voter growth is. and there's clearly an economic populist strain that is driving most of the the sentiment voters. the presence exactly the right one. the answer is it is probably a function of both but the opportunity for both democrats to bring a lot of the latino voters back into historical range is as great as it is for the republicans to push for even higher historic levels. >> daniel, let me get about trump campaign. latino voter outreach, because with black outreach, we see the events that the former president is attending the church event, the roundtable in detroit the cigars and cognac that several members of congress have attended. what is the latino outreach from? from the trump campaign? i know they changed the branding from latinos for trump to latino americans for trump. but what's, what's it look like? practically well from my observation, viktor or what i'm seeing is that they're going where latinos are, they are connecting in a very real way in the sense that i think whether the sentiment that you have to get across one is that you care and second is that your ideas are superior to your opponent and so it's just so important that showing that you care means you show up, right? >> you understand what our priorities are. you willing to listen? you don't come to impose your own agenda. but you want to get a feel for where latinos are at. and right now, the messages that biden is not delivering for latinos. and so trump is pouncing on that, right? the reality is that working latinos are not getting a square deal. they are bearing through the ravages of reckless spending, high inflation and high interest rates we just had an anemic 1.3 gdp growth in the last quarter. and that's what artificial economy that's been inflated with 6 trillion in spending. >> so this is what the trump campaign is, captain into and economic message above an immigration message, because the economic and inflation message regardless of race and age group, is really what we're seeing at the top across polls. >> and mike, let me bring that to you because as we're talking about i mentioned that the trump campaign rename they're out reach from latinos for trump to latino americans for trump. i read that you have concern or criticism of the biden campaign's latino outreach. it's called latinos con biden harris. and what that suggests about they're strategy, what is your concern well, the whole premise of my book is that the massive growth and latino voter latinos in the voter rolls is happening with third and fourth generation american, latino americans who view themselves by two-thirds margin more as americans than with a latino ethnic identity. >> so what donald trump is making this to literally add that the name americans, it's not a coincidence. it's research-based. they know what they're doing. that's where the massive voter growth is happening. the biden campaign is resorted to sort of an old 1970s, 1980s model of this stereotypical caricature of a spanish speaking more recently migrated latino voter. there's nothing nefarious about it or bad about it. it's just probably not very effective anymore that's kinda the full tactic again, with used more last century than this century. so both campaigns are really speaking to two very different motor groups in the latino community. and for right now, the math is starting to benefit where the trump campaign is heading. but we're gonna have to wait and see which which, which is going to battle i'm more for turnout and b. most successful in november. >> yeah, my god, i read an excerpt from your book and where you says that they need to step up and talk to latinos like real people, not props in an old movie or pay the consequences daniel, let me come to you because you've long been critical of former president trump's messaging on immigration. i want to play something that he said in the 2016 campaign and then something he said in this campaign and then get your reaction. >> sure. >> the sending people that have lots of problems and they're bringing those problems with us they're bringing drugs they're bringing crime they're rapists. and some i assume are good people. >> they come by the millions and millions and millions they come from mental institutions, they come from jails, prisoners some of the toughest mean his people, you'll ever see you wrote after trump said that in 2015, that it is our hope that mr. trump reconsiders his insensitive rhetoric focuses on sensible and effective immigration policy position and contributes to a more positive and constructive dialogue. >> the american voter deserves better. well, he hasn't reconsider sinner. he hasn't offered anything different by your frame working isn't any better. what's your assessment of his rhetoric today i mean, it's still the same course, uncouth narratives but what's interesting is that i think some folks find that appealing. >> i mean what they want is to get to the truth deal with the with the problem, and find the solutions even so, for example, that you started the segment talking about this sort of clever campaign with a copa america. and i think it's smart actually that biden does that. but if you're not connecting on the top priorities impacting our community pointing to the real outcomes, real increases in opportunity and productivity. >> i think it'll be seen as window dressing and shallow ping at a politics. >> they don't see that with trump to trump just get sort of gets to the point and tries to find the solution. i think he's a fighter as well. phenols will tell you not this campanian, the cheap for this mere pandering campaigning with no real substance in which you're not earning our vote by talking about the merits of policy. it like you would with any other constituency just seems like it's superficial and this is where biden gets in trouble to make madrid's point all right. >> mike madrid, i also did not mention you're one of the co-founders of the lincoln project as well. >> and daniel garza. thank you for being with us. mike's book again, the latinos century is out. now, i remember thursday, jacob dana will moderate the cnn presidential debate live here in atlanta again, right across the whole. it begins at 9:00 p.m. eastern on cnn and streaming on max so diversity, equity and inclusion programs are banned at public universities in texas. there's a new report that puts into perspective the employer cations of that band practically what it means. one of the scholarships now on hold was created in memory of two young black women who died in a car our craft, the father of one of those young women whose scholarship it honors he's here to share his reaction. plus, consider this number 90% of black women voted for biden in 2020 according to exit polls. ahead, what a new survey reveals about how some feel about the state of the country and the 2024 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dei, initiatives at public colleges and universities in texas well now, according to the dallas morning news, 131 college scholarships have been put on hold or modified in some way because of the band, the paper says, one of them is the devin oliver and aubrey bots memorial scholarship well, devin and aubrey were star players on the women's basketball team at texas a&m commerce. they were killed in a car crash in 2014 in a statement of the dallas morning news, the state senator who authored the bill banning dei at state school said the law makes clear that taxpayer funds should not be spent conferring special benefits based on race, color, or ethnicity joining us now is devin oliver's father, richard oliver, sir, thank you for being with me. and first, i just want to be clear here so people understand this scholarship is not funded by taxpayers. this is not public money. this is funded by donations, am i correct? >> that is correct. this ship is funded by local local communities and alumni and local businesses. there's no tax funding whatsoever. >> so some of the requirements here for recipient is that it'd be a black female with a gpa of 3.0 or higher end an athlete tell me why you chose or why those requirements, those criteria were chosen? >> so those requirements were chosen particularly because it's fits the profile of my daughter's devin oliver, and awkward both who are african-american females both had high academic achievements both play basketball and the same team and so our primary focus was to honor who they were as individuals and what better way to do that than to establish scholarship that fits who they were as young lady and i wonder now, what is your reaction now that it's been put on hold and what you think about this now, becoming as political as it is relating to this scholarship? yeah i just think that there's just too much hypersensitivity hypersensitivity to this dei program. and its, it's frustrating because in my mind, it dishonors spoke mark daughter, and arbery to two over politicize and hyperscale the situation, it's, it's just not necessary. it's not appropriate, and it does define our daughters and their achievements and what the university, texas a&m commerce university has done in established in scholarship. and there's just so much more than the university done. jason burden, their head coach there. the university established a an academic center and within that academic center, there's run one room. it's named after devon an opera next in addition to this scholarship, more expansion, there was one element of this story that i found i'm pretty disheartening. it's how you found out that the scholarship was even on hold. tell everyone how you did she have. >> so i had no clue about that. i think it was maybe last week that a local reporter in dallas gave me a call and ask if i had heard of that, told him we'd never heard until actually receiving that kopan here. that was disheartening broke more harm to hear what these political, local political leaders here in dallas, texas, what their approach to this whole thing is. yeah, it said that you didn't even get any heads up from and i know you are grateful to the university for their support, but that no one even called you to tell you that this was on hold. >> i wonder if the requirements have to change and you remove that. it has to be a female, it has to be a black female. to receive this scholarship does that change the honore does that change this fundamentally for you well, i mean, it would because it's going to take away from who are children were and the whole idea behind is victor is, you know, when you think about the situation when african-american here in these united states and the focus is on, on young lady's black females who were on those under-privileged and privileged and disadvantaged communities. >> and we'll just want to reach out and help those individuals to help level the playing. and that's developed go now if the scholarship is subject to be stricken, are removed from the program. >> that's the last thing that i'd want to happen. and that would completely dishonor our daughters, our be willing to accept any student and you can remove the race aspect of it. >> alright. richard oliver, i thank you for sharing your story with me thank you the group of voters. democrats need to win the white house. they know this black women a new survey reveals their top issue heading into the 2024 race and how they feel about choosing between we end joe biden and donald trump they are unpredictable sleeping giants, every volcano has its own person now, if we don't understand them, they are windows into part of our planet lives will be lost. violent earth with liev schreiber, tomorrow would nine on sienna from roger two, we there yet so many ways to say life ready while it happy. that's 365 by whole foods market. >> i'm andrea, and this is why i switched to shout. >> it gave me so much peace of mind. >> if we make 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