the situation room. thanks very much for joining us. erin burnett outfront starts right >> and outfront next a special edition lie from cnn's debate headquarters in atlanta, breaking news tonight on biden strategy, a technique that insider say has said biden's favorability, quote, off the charts. this as questions swirl however, whether trump will announce his bp as early as tomorrow was a real-time demonstration of what will happen when one candidate tries to interrupt the other. the question everyone has that and everything else you need to know about the debate rules. and an outfront exclusive tonight, former president trump and never before heard audio gushing over taylor swift. you'll here are the word he uses to describe her five times. let's go out front and welcome to a special edition of outfront. good evening from atlanta. i'm erin burnett and i am live from the cnn debate headquarters. here we begin with the breaking news off the charts. new reporting tonight, just about 24 hours before tomorrow's presidential debate on biden strategy. the president looking for more opportunities to look directly into the camera during the 90 minute face off. the president leaning on a tried and true technique for him, one that advisors for him say it sent dial testing, quote off the charts and right now, i can tell you that the stage is set inside the podiums are in place for the current president and the former president. the two men will be standing just eight feet apart, much closer than any other time. they've debated. this is the first time that cnn is revealing the spin rooms to take a look at that top allies at both campaigns will be tomorrow night at room trying to say that their candidate one, but debate be up to 700, 800 people in that room because make no mistake. this is the most important event in the 2024 election so far. biden spending now he's six, the de at camp david in preparation for the debate, trump this afternoon meantime, called into what conservative online channel discussing some of his tried and true favorite topics we have tremendous grads, but the people understand it, relieving an every poll that will leading every swing-state. >> the mug shot is the best it just beat elvis presley and franks not sure by a lot, by the way, leader by a lot. but that's the number one mug shot able type. it's really an amazing thing. it's going to be big and they say maybe the biggest, somebody said, this will be the highest rated show of all time. i said, don't tell me that. i don't want to hear the poles. of course, is show it a dead heat tonight, we are also learning the former president could be on the verge of announcing his vice presidential pick, even as early as this week at a debate or even the day after the debate at a rally that he will be hosting in the state of virginia. i want to start with kayla tausche. she is out front here in atlanta and kayla, i know you are just learning some major your details about how biden plans to do tomorrow night, what he's going to say, what are you hearing erin the biden campaign has long argued that the electorate has been largely disengaged this cycle and to a certain extent, disillusioned and there's one method in particular, the president biden is expected do employ tomorrow to attempt to change that. >> and that is speaking directly to the voters, not to the moderators, not to donald trump, but looking through breaking through the so-called fourth wall of the camera, through the lens and into americans living room. there are two reasons why he's doing it. first, the president believes that all politics are personal, but second, it's also been wildly the effective for him in the pas improved dramatically when he did that, and that those so-called dial tests showed his favorite bility off the charts one person familiar with the data saying that during those moments let's people didn't view him as a lifelong politician. they viewed him as human, and there was one moment in particular that stood out to voters then aaron, and that is when donald trump went after president biden's son, hunter 4, his various troubles and president biden looked into the camera and said that many american families were sadly familiar with addiction. and he said loves and is proud of and supports his son. that was the moment that people familiar with the campaign, then and that data, say stood out most to voters. so expect president biden to do this quite often tomorrow for one reason, in particular as well. and that is because the campaign's distilling the message to that donald trump is for himself joe biden is for you. they say, and that's why president biden is going to speak directly to them and amazing those just at that level of strategy of straight to the camera, that level of detail that they are at. alright, kayla, thank you very much. and everyone is with me here in atlanta. i want to start with the republican congressman adam kinzinger if seen you in many roles over the years. and here you are in a new role. you're taking a stand at it a significant way today. you have just endorsing joe biden for president you know, just just for a moment when you hear kayla is reporting on him, looking straight to the camera, him connecting with people. when you think about where you were superstar republican congressman and now you're here. >> yeah endorsing joe biden. look, that's what's amazing is so what eight years ago i was called like a rising star in the republican party and i didn't change what i believed. i mean you grow up you a few views change, moderate a little bit, but i'm the same person. the party has slightly left me because it's not swearing allegiance to any kind of principles or policy anymore. it's all about swearing allegiance to one man who did his best to overthrow a legitimate election convinced a third of the american people that the election was stolen. and my two-and-a-half year old son deserves to be raised in a country with a throng of a democracy, as i've been raised. and so it was a no-brainer for me and i just want to emphasize what you just said. you said you haven't changed, right? so in other words, the rising star, adam kinzinger, seen as future republican presidential candidate, is the same guy. yeah. seen joe biden? yeah, because the party no longer knows what it believes anymore. it's all based on what is somebody say at one moment? what does, what does donald trump say? i've refused to swear allegiance to a man, meiosis to the constitution. and again, to preserve this country in this democracy for my kid too, honore my grandfather who fought in world war ii. i believe the right thing he to do is to say, we may disagree on some policy issues with joe biden, but the most important thing is defense of this democracy. and as a conservative i'm, i'm, i'm committed to preserving this democracy now brad todd, obviously you're a republican strategist and we hear about trump maybe announcing is v pick tomorrow or the day after this, a guy who was seen as presidential candidate for the gop could be one day, not this gop but and many who are in his position, a few of them are now possible vp candidates. they went a very different way than adam kinzinger has gone. so do you think that that's we're going to hear who that person is here in these next hours day. i do. i think that donald trump loves a big moment and he loves a big stage. and i think this is the biggest stage, perhaps in this campaign, this first debate is really important. i would be really surprised if we don't wake up friday morning and know and we might know during the debate tomorrow night would that surprise you because you're giving your giving a little bit of the quizzical, but car a look, i don't know if it surprises me a little bit. i think that the camp, first of all, donald trump's campaign staff or team deserves a lot of credit because they've actually kept the train on the tracks as well as it possibly could be susie and jason have done their best to try to contain donald trump. you hear that they're trying to contain him tomorrow if he is losing the debate, then yes, you we'll know who his vice presidential pick is. if he thinks he's owning the debate and you're able to see the structure of the debate benefit him. and when i say structure, i mean the mics cutting off no crowd, et cetera. then there's no way that they're not going to write that cycle out. and so it's going to be, he has something in his back pocket in case things go off the rails, blame the moderators, blame the media, and then, oh hail, let's take back the cycle. >> the real struggle for both these candidates is to try to focus the race forward it's always hard. for a candidate who's this old to focus the race forward. and the very number one thing trump could do to focus the race forward is to talk about who might be next unless each unless he chooses another 70-year-old white man. well, first i want to say thank you for your leadership because i wish there were more people who picked country over party and you're former party, republican party. >> but thank that donald trump e joe biden is given it to him really leaning and talking to the american people, which i think joe biden will do and is really good at that, if ever, interacted with him one-on-one, which most americans don't get the chance to interact with the president. but if you do one-on-one, that is when joe biden thrive. so if he can make the people who are watching that debate. so like he is in a conversation with them sitting at the kitchen table saying, i understand your struggles that could really work in his favor. and then donald trump will say o, a, b, or c is my, my vice presidential candidate. and you buy didn't to say, great, thanks for the news back to what i was saying because we're godless of who it is. he should use that same person to draw that contrast that they're not going to do what somebody sitting to. my left would do and that is stand up to donald trump and say the election was not stolen. and i believe i will go out on a limb and say he may be sitting to your left eye, doubt it actually is. although maybe maybe on your evolution but let me ask you, congress, wall street journal backing burgum. yeah. doug burgum for vice president. jd vance said earlier today that he'd be disappointed if not human, if you didn't admit it, be disappointed if you weren't selected which which way are you hearing? this could go and these are an obviously you could have marco rubio could have someone else, but you've got a young future as you're talking about options. yeah. and then you have doug burgum, who is very different sort of choice for trump. >> doug burgum is trump's safe choice. he says choice. if he doesn't want to be overshadowed. and the thing that donald trump fears more than a fears nuclear war or anything is being overshadowed about you're going to say black women, go ahead so i think doug burgum, is that safe choice, but i can tell you, no matter what happens at the debate tomorrow, donald trump is going to be blaming somebody. he'll blame the moderator, so blame, i don't know the air conditioning, whatever it is because everything he does, he's a victim of yeah. and he's the recipient of aaron. can i say wednesday though about that bp the thing that makes jd vance of questionable candidate is that that's still a senate eat and where the senate is really in the balance. >> and yes, people say that ohio is a red state solid, red, solid red. but as then ohio and i'm telling you there's still ways for a share at brown and for democrats to win in that state when you just look at some of the issues ohio when support. so that's like a role to take give that seat open. >> i wanted to comment. that's a good point. i wanted to comment just briefly on the vice presidential pick. i think doug burgum is a lot. it's very i like them personally, but it's a very stale pick. i think that donald trump chooses a wildcard that we're not talking about. i think he chooses sarah huckabee sanders or even if he really a serious about winning the white house chooses a nikki haley. i think we're going to see something that is going to shock the conscience i would also say this as a democrat, they're only vice presidential candidate. that gives me pause is marco rubio. that is the marco rubio, not jd vance or jd vance is a lightweight jd vance can contorno himself in the pretzels. he's addie africa. he fit sits, he doesn't stand for anything. kamala harris with literally shred him, shred burgum. marco rubio's formidable because he's been in the stove before he has. if marco rubio is able to talk to a spanish voters throughout the country, not just in florida, but arizona, nevada it it becomes a problem. and marco rubio looks like the future of the country. the problem is marco rubio's ambition is probably not sexy to donald trump i think if he picks jd vance, if he's worried about shaping the republican party after he leaves he picks doug burgum league. he's worried about running the government if he wins, and he thinks marco rubio, if he's worried about winning the election those three personality wise, i think we can all pick option c, but everybody is from psychologically but everybody would have read it that if he chooses nikki haley this is a completely different race, right? yeah. i don't know if she take it, but i'll tell you one thing. we can actually maybe one thing i can guarantee is donald trump will not make the pick. that's the best for the party after he leaves because the party to him is not some thing that he believes and it's not policies that i believe it is a tool for him to gain power and drop these convictions again, i want to ask you about something. you are endorsing. joe biden over donald trump. you're calling yourself a proud conservative. like i said, you're not saying you've changed your party. that's changed president biden responded to your endorsement. he said this is what putting your country before your party looks like. i'm grateful for your endorsement atom. now, there a major republicans have said they won't support biden or trump, right and they're not they're just not going where you're going. why did you feel it was so important to take that extra step? >> because i think when you say i'm not going to vote for trump, but i can't support biden it's it's honestly cowardice because what you don't want it, you're like, oh, i still want to be viable in the gop. look, i'm sorry. there are third third-party candidates in america. it's your right to vote form and a right somebody in, but it has really between donald trump and joe biden. and if you think donald trump is as dangerous as i do as people like mike pence has said he is then the difference is a policy difference with joe biden and policy we're going to debate these same things and 100 years, a thread on democracy is something that can really damage us now, to a point where we won't even have the luxury of debating policy differences an ending that none of us, none of us at this table, right? who all live loving moments like this because of the debate and the conversation thank you all very much. and were as we are alive and the debate headquarters in atlanta, we're going to take you inside the debate hall and on the stage for the first time. so we're going to show you exactly what happens when one of the candidates tries to interrupt the other. everybody wants to know about this mic cutting off we're going to demonstrate it. plus breaking news, a dangerous attempted coup, soldier storming a presidential palace, armed vehicles taking up position in the streets. we have a live report on the ground ahead and it out front exclusive. and never before heard audio. trump talking about taylor swift i think she's beautiful very beautiful. >> i find are very good and there was a lot more beautiful where that came from. and we've got 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