i mean, this just gets into a mess here when you do these things. >> jeffrey, bakari, thank you very much. both of your different philosophies very helpful. let's get over to chris. so, you're going to hear different ideas about what to do to help with policing in black communities. donald trump one of his ideas is stop and frisk. he says it worked incredibly well in new york. what does new york city's mayor think about that? he is an outspoken critic of stop and frisk. we have mayor bill de blasio here, next. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me.