>> hello, i am jesse wattersse along with judge jeanine carol,w harold ford jr., sandra smith and will gain.n, 5:00 in new york city and this is the five. ♪ ron desantis and gavin newsom going down in the epic redwing versus blue debate on hannity. the two high profiletr colonists talking trash for months and finally getting the chance to hammer each other's recorder face-to-face. >> the tax too much, they have f political agenda, not a good climate for business, they've lost a lot of companies. >> california dominates, 21 stat1 ste populations, fifth lae economy in the world. >> he had kids locked out of school because of the teachers union, that's having ayo generational impact. >> the last guy you want to talk to on immigration.>> >> line to immigrants from sending them to an island,eyar martha's vineyard. >> an app where they ploecaut hn feces found on the streets ofat sa an francisco. >> the two taking vicious personal shots at each other. >> i can handle it, i'm used to it, you're nothing but a bully. >> don't tell a blizzard of lif> to mask the failures. >> you are trolling folks and playing political games to getta attention to out trump trump and the way, how is that coming? you are down 41 points in youror own home state.t >> he's throwing stuff up to see what sticks against the wall. this is a slick slipperyto politician. >> i will take joe biden at 100 versus ron desantis any day ofde the week at any age. >> desantis and newsom trading jabs of their future politicaljn ambitions. >> when are you going to dropio? out and at least give nikki haley a shot to take down donald trump in this nomination? she laid you out. >> you won'tut. y admit it. >> i don't know how many times can say, making it up about a w shadow campaign. >> what biden and harris and newsom want to do is takehath california model and do that nationally. >> there's one thing we have ine common, neither of us will be the nominee for our party inin 2024. >> judge jeanine pirro, q been chomping at the bit all day.pi what's going on?rrwant >> he is a mean-spirited petty guy. [laughter] >> obviously receipt gavin, that's my new name for him. the thing i found most offensive was one but didn't have a lot to do with substance, when he interrupted ron when he was talking about joe biden and the teachers union and kamalate harris. he interrupted, i don't know if we have thatr- soundte where, s by the way, it's not kamala harris, shame on you. la hit's kamala. madame vice president to you. stop insulting the woman. i mean, talk about petty but the thing is every time they brought the statistics, the senses, thet cdc,is he asked john hannity mae gavin newsom the liar he is. taxes in california, people leaving california and then telling people you've createdu jobs because you are allowing them to return to the jobs youer locked them out of unconstitutionally during thestt lockdown is a straight out live. so bottom line, here is a guy destroy the city of santh francisco, governor of the state of california and now destroyins es the state of california and wan. to be president of united st states. i think people saw him for a petty and slimy guy elected newsom run on style or substance or neither? >> good to see you at the tabler a couple of things, i thought both of them did well. i thought some of the facts as it relates to the state, his able to get those things out around covid and taxes, i thought governor newsom was ablt to get things out about his state, i think numbers around people that move there and jobst created, the full picture and i thought both of them tried thei hardest to share the vision. we didn't get a real vision -- we didn't understand how the vision would d translate, iid thought shawn did a great jo ab making sure this was about the state given both of them theover opportunity, they been in thewh osspotlight during covid but ho they responded and whated resiliency there economy i ast showing, i thought that wassiti positive. to your question about style, i thought governor newsom, a good looking guy and present a strong way probably found the better of governor desantis and exchanges because for whatever reason seems to be more prepared. i thought governor desantis was more prepared, he countered with substance attacks and many times, i thought that allowed the counter antere subthounyd b struck but i thought the two most revealing lines, he second neither of us will be the n nomineome in 2024, and i think republicans have to realize onpn the national level this issue ol women's health and reproductiver rightsep, this issue is not goig away and if the national party is unable and republicans are unable to get a better answer than what governor desantis gave o be night, it's going t hard. >> they have an answer. >> i'm not going to quarrel witr you but the only thing i can say is what voters are saying in three weeks ago in kentucky and ohio, to republican state voters said abortion was a big issu e so they are both patriotic and passionate either will be the nominee. >> i am concerned because i think gavin newsom is a very effective prolific easye, sociopathic liar and i think he does an excellent job of flying. i think desantis one because hh had reality and facts on his side but newsom would have you believe last night that the california economy is booming and people are moving from laura to california, the most open state during covid and wouldwoul have you believe a complete els reality that i do think desantis was capable of pushing back on buack t newsom has eased, are nt concerned with people who like c desantis or trump voters, i'm not concerned with newsom or biden voters, i'm concerned with casual news washers from a casual voters tuning in and all they see is the slick authorityo >> he's diced something that is impossible to parcel full ofth numbers and full of moralizing as well. how do you dare to mean lgbtq communities?lgbt you band the like, there's the light.ra 3000 books and moralize demeaning people and casual your might walk away from the slickkw dictation going that guy sounds like he knows what he's talking about. >> that's why is the debate desantis showed up with facts and it's easy, he one before he got on the stage when youe present backside gas prices at $5 in california just over $3 it florida. you look at th ine economy, a mh different situation. people paying $5400 in kat ta taxes, over 10000 in california and the deficit soaring ining california, 31 billion california, florida 17 billion. you got this population migration which is easy for someone like desantis to call back on. i think it camsy fs toe up, we d it multiple times, or 54000 people? florida between 2021 and 2022. 750,000 of california, 450,000 went to florida.orniperh perhaps the line of the night was the story hook line andbr sinker, desantis brought up was talking to a gentleman who fled california and was newsom following mother-in-law. the timing was spectacular . voters will decide, the american public will decide. i think it was interestingat s moments and we all went for thi conversation happening in the first place.job. this debate even happening, kudos to sean hannity, great job. s substance to debase the happened and people learn something about each person, each governor.or. >> kudos to sean and harold ford jr. who said gavin newsom was handsome and i respect your bravery from coming out saying that.in >> were you trying to sag y something? >> i'm not. >> you said i love you. [laughter] >> coming up from a dirty democrat busted censoringt conservatives and admit they are ready to do it again. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ government censorship files, anti- eb and michael shellenberger telling lawmakersl how they appliedle pressure to shut down free speech. >> i regret tofr tell the subcommittee the scope of power and lawbreaking from the industrial complex were even had worse than we realize in both talked about how it isn't a partisan issue at all despitect the fact tha tt it's been repeatedly described as a conspiracy. >> we on evidence on both sides. >> the democrats were not concerned about government pushin g censorship. >> the government can censorship -- >> it time has expired. the chairmang on advises -- >> 35% of the first amendment. >> it's not the first amendment, it's terms of service as you said and thee y are flagging gei or social media companies toal make their own decisions. that's not the first amendment, that is the terms of solution. >> congressman dan goldman wasd: not done there. he now claims the hunter biden laptop is it real. >> you have no idea.s. >> are you suggesting participated in the conspiracy to construct contents of the hunter biden laptop? >> the problem is hard drives can be manipulated by rudy giulianiha. >> what the evidence? >> there is evidence but you are engaging in a conspiracy.cy >> are you concerned about what you just heard there? >> "big brother" used to just want to listen to us and fell they want to take 35% of our melts. could you imagine this was a speech tax? that's what it feels like. i get to say 65% of what i thins but the government gets to take the rest? no. i'm not saying therest governmen into tierney but ik think they are comfortable with it because they have censored, gagged, arrested donald trump. they are trying to replace me, boycott and bankrupt our companies so a certain time it makes me think they are not into democracy because the best parte about democracy as we are givinp the politicians power to represent us. we are notep giving themre poweo over us. they work for us. we have power over them and the' supreme court made it clear, thc constitutions made it clear, yo, can't a bridge freocrae speech n the democrats are on live television thing let's go. this is crazy, they call it disinformation but it's just thv conversation we are havinger an great conversation, do you remember the colonial times you have publishing houses that would print, ridicule against the church for slavery or the king? it would have this great conversation in the country and then we had television in the may have tv license, mediaatio corporations and now we just have the internet so the government can just go through the back door of the internet and hit kill switches. no, that's what i'm going to start street reaching. >> we look forward to that p. are you concerned this is a happening more andre more?ore? it's on both sides.ud >> what these people are saying is the government has the the ability to skew americans views based upon their own politics. what they were talking about in2 20192020 during the presidentia1 election mark we saw it happen, we saw heads of the fbi intelligence communities say thw laptop was rushing disinformation but, he what wasi concerning what they said itd s not united states, fbi and homeland security, it was the uk as well and you think back in 2016, who did hillary clinton go to to get rushing disinformation on donald trump? she went to christopher steeles, a spy in the uk so it's not just the united states, it's ourit so-called partners in great britain but this guy dan goldman is dangerous because he thinks taking away 35% of free speech is okay because he is catching it in terms of the company which is nonsense, bs. he's saying the laptop may not be achievement but may have beee manipulated because it might have been manipulated. there might be martians up therp watching us but because it may be doesn't mean it is and unless you show actual manipulation you cannot try to calm the american public into thinking hard drivet is not the real hard drivent especially when he admitted iter was his. >> did that surprise you?it >> it did a little bit., i love exchanges like this before congressional committees, i think when you get to smart people with arguments going bacn and forth, it got noisy but it was a subset of noise i think shellenberger at least what i saw, got the better of congressman goldman at least onu the substance of what they were debatinge. used to be every 30 or 40 years we would go through these episodes where we would probe and understand and examine howvn government might pressure individuals orring institutionso say certain things or not say certain things, we saw wheres, w people were dropped because they might have been much they were fighting vigorously for freedoms in the balance comes every ten, 15, 20 years and get your in the biden case and the limits for individuals and asking them to regulate or tame or expand their speech. if these allegations are rightse the government and it seems they are, the government was intoth business trying to tell them what to do or when information was okay or what information is permissible, it's wrong and i'm gladly hearing these are the efforts the american people deserve what happened, we all agree that no one's right to speak whether i agree or disagree should be infringed upon because iupon will i woulde to hear rebuttal and i'm afraid we won't have time to hear the response. i appreciate you said overtime the embrace of free speech mighe have been ideology, there might have been a time when the right was -- >> here is what i think is anf ce debatable right now, the regime of censorship in this country and the current modern moment of america's driven wholeheartedly by the left openly and in thist hearing democrats are the party of censorship. maybe one day that will not be the case but that is the case today. the biden administration is pressuring you to take people,ab anyone with any hesitancy aboutu the vaccine and demand does noto meet supplies to take it down and this is 2021 so the left as an ideology generally doesn't embrace free speech to the sameh level as the right, gullible. look at the uk, europe, canada, hate speech laws, generally there is this idea i'm offendedt by what yoheu have to say and therefore i should be able to shut you up. the only defense for thisn country, the hallmark of free speech right now is the american right are not here to tell you i trust the american right, fraternity, it's not that they have a record but as an absolute proponent of free speech, i i do know if you have faith, if youle need this american experiment to class, you need thfte american right to believe this. a hawkone, but thens left is lost, they are gone anod believe in censorship, not the first amendment. >> so set the court if it's onpe the way toal the supreme court. let us circuit court of appeals ruled that is the case. >> no one has e a monopoly in h trying to encroach oarn people's rights and the left needs to be calibrated but a year ago we were having a conversation whether people should beheth abo teach certain things in classpe and people said opi don't wantpc that, people thought their free speech rights were infringed upon. let's have thisayis debate and u are right, the left is wrong and it should be corrected, i don't care if it's left or right, itia should btee corrected.nd >> watched the right. i believe in free speech, even the free speech i hate. i'm terrified for the future. >> i am for the rangers. [laughter] >> we'll be right back. i'm glad you got back in there, harold. up next, george santos loan congress and it could be a bad time for other crooked politicians. ♪ ♪ congress getting even morettin chaotic george santos becominghs the sixth lawmaker in history to be expelled from the house. after out ethics investigation found substantial evidence he l lawsed federal crimina and news campaign funds for personal purposes like botoxlike treatments and pornography w websites only vance. that report is on top of a 23 count federal indictmentth charging with crimes such as wire fraud, money laundering but santos morning members before the vote of what president it s would set in theet future. >> if it's their choice tohree change president in the begin with three confederate turncoate expelled for treason and to convicted members convicted inbe court ofrs law should be the fit person to be expelled from congress without conviction or without committing treason and it's a dangerous new president for the game dan future. >> what about other members ofes congress accused of crimes? senator john fetterman thinks democrats will look like outes ies if they don't put his fellow colleague in god new jersey senator bob menendez. >> we have a colleague in then senate that's much more sinister and serious because of things. senator menendez needs to go and if you expelled santos, how can you allow somebody like menendez to remain in the senate and santos is immobilizer almost funny and he landed on the moon and that kind of stuff. [laughter] where i think menendez isna senator for egypt, notto new jersey. [laughter] >> what is happening in the world? [laughter] >> at leasl: i meaat it fetterms sentences together, gaza good b thing. >> that was a coherent, smart answeroddoub from john fetterma. >> for real, it sounds like he is getting better and good for him. >> we are complement in a>> democrat. okay? when is the last judge jea time complemented a republican? >> the las t set segment.old: >> santos hasn't committed af crime, what are we doing here? >> to problems, that's one. the concept of due process andpr again, shockingly government has one the points in his state as well, he hasn't been convicted of anything, if you take people on accusations, take out menendez and his accusations are much morche serious so if we ars going to go down this path, it's the same thing nfl deals with.mh [laughter] i'm serious. a guys accused of doing something and you kick him out of the league orou do you let d process play out? they kicked the guy out congress and i don't even have to defende santos in n his admittedly ridiculous lies, just the concept of process and principal, as he points out, he's one of three confederate and others and real quick, youur are subverting the will of the voters, the voters santos. >> the house ethics committee from about was revealing. >> the truth is, there aree et people who accepted money from foreign countries, he thought elizabeth warren saying she isfm an american and you got nancy pelosi, menendez, why aren' they under the gun? >> substantial evidence beyond botox injections and only fanned subscription, items frombo retailers, sephora. byron mcdonald's was one of the opponents, he went on the record saying we are a nation of laws, not a nation of men, he was against these institutions, better remember that. a fairber.at warning could be a slippery slope. i think the bigger picture is what it means for house speakerj johnson, razor thiohn majority, there's major battles coming up, government shutdown battle looming, funding for ukraine, these are things dividing the party right now and this does change things, the relevance.ng >> you got sympathizers likesse, rashida tlaib him a ilhan omar, congress won't spell them for their belief in hamas and what they do. >> i'm not for expulsion, i was expelled for many groups throughout my career and i feel it's unbecoming but this guy is a liar and a fraud and thief. the only difference is he was too obvious about it.ne you've got to be sleazy but b classyut. you can't steal, you have to insider trading. [laughter] it is embezzlement but whye. not take kickbacks like bernie sanders wife? a you lie on yourer resume? okay. were identifiedentd as an amerin indian. there are ways to go about it. you got to take 40 million from the chinese shell companies,om that's how you dpao it and remember when mafia would get big heists, you got to lay low.l don't buy for, thus thike number e thone rule.me come on. get something off the rack o.re >> is there something to be said that what republicans do but democrats don't? >> show, one of had a situation egregious is this where it's gotten to the place where should we remove this verse in federal have decency and etiquette, some people have honesty andst accountabil