transkids in sports. >> please don't take that away from my daughter or the countless others like her that are out there. let them have their childhoods. let them be who they are. >> "all in" starts right now. ♪♪ good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes, in a dramatic twist. two countries that have had the hardest time dealing with the coronavirus are now doing the best jobs of vaccinating people. in many ways, the united states, the united kingdom have had similar experiences. we have a lot in common, common language. we both had right wing populist leaders who talk covid-19 and both societies have been absolutely hammered by this virus. now those two countries are basically the best in the countries in the world at vaccinating their population. obviously, the u.s. is much bigger. both countries are taking advantage of a once-in-a-lifetime miracle to try to stamp out the disease. remember, in less than a year, major drug makers, right, manage to develop vaccines and run trials with tens of thousands participants before they were approved. and we have reams of safety and effectiveness data with two vaccines approved by the fda. another of the biden administration. there have been more than 110 million doses administered in this country and so far, so good. you may have seen several european countries have suspended use of the astrazeneca vaccine which i should note has not been approved in the u.s. after reports of blood clots in people who have gotten the vaccine. astra sudden ka said there were 37 out of 17 million vaccinated in the 27 country eu and britain. in fact, it's the incidents of clots is much lower than expected to occur naturally in a general population of size and is similar to that of other licensed covid-19 vaccines. so, this issue, which has gotten a lot of attention, understandably. it's showing up in .0002% of cases. all these vaccines have been subjected to incredibly, if anything, overly cautious review processes. given the stakes, right? right now, the u.s. and the uk are crushing. now, arguably, the most powerful person who doth tried those two worlds in the english-speaking world is of course, that man, media mogul rupert murdock. he is at a high risk if he were to get covid, because she kuwait old so two weeks after the pfizer vaccine was approved in the uk, the guardian reported, quote, a convoy of range recoveries delivered the 89-year-old billionaire to a dedicated center in henley oxfordshire. normal hours are understand stood to be extended at the last minute. a favorite for rupert. he got the vaccine. he put out a statement how good it was and the rupert murdocks, the wealthy and powerful people, they understand the vaccine is our best shot to protect themselves from severe illness and to president i this virus to heal. and rupert murdock did not want to get covid, because he wanted to make it to 90. he did last week. congrats, happy birthday. he does not want to die a premature death. that is not the message the rest of us are getting from the multi-billion enterprise he owns. because you see, are you not in rupert's club. are you not in his social circle. you viewers out there this tv land is where they throw out the chum for the common people. where they disengine white housely stoke skepticism and fear by posing as brave truth-tellers and the guys flinging nonsense at people and leading to more people getting sick. this has been true throughout the pandemic. there is a nightly drum beat on fox news specifically from tucker karlsson that is underlining our best chance to get out from this disease. when will we finally repeal corona law? what about this vaccine? why are americans being discourage fareed asking simple straight forward questions about it? questions like, how effective are these drugs? are they safe? they should prompt questions for experts in this country. one of those experts is how effective is this coronavirus vaccine? how necessary is it to take the vaccine? don't dismiss those questions from anti-vacciners. don't kick people off social media for asking them. answer the questions. especially now. those questions were the subject of two 8-hour long zoom meetings publicly on precisely that question. i watched part of it. these are not miden. it's fine. it's understandable to ask questions. this is all new. no one is saying get the vaccine or we there throw you in jail. it is a 43 country. tucker karlsson knows this. obviously, tucker knows there are easily accessible answers about the vaccines. he's not stupid. he just thinks his audience is. so he feeds into fears by lying that shod doughy people are refusing to answer the questions. how effective are the vaccines? 90%, johnson&johnson, 70s. they're questions. can't we ask questions? this is by the way the most cowardly way to do this, to hide behind a pose of contaxpayerianism. the vaccine will kill you unless you want to find yourself gone. so tell your families and friends who might be watching something else right now, here is the data we have. let's look at what is happening in long-term care facilities. these aren't clinical trials. once people started getting vaccinated in long-term care facilities, cases and deaths started to fall precipitously. look at what is happening in israeli, a cdc study found it led to dropped severe covid cases. john hopkins medication answer questions like is the covid-19 vaccine safe? what are the side effects? can i get notified, itself, from the vaccine. the answer in every instance is vaccines as best we know appear to be safe for almost everyone. again it's not the word of god, right? we're all human beings trying to figure this out. it's the overwhelming consensus of scientists based on the data, based on rigorous clinical trials now millions and millions and millions of doses of real world news. that's what we got again. it's not perfect. the world is complicated. we all make decision under uncertainty. that is where we have the best evidence we have. these are safe. they are certainly super effective. we know how bad covid is, even though lots of people spent a year lying about how bad it was. that's the really hard thing to come face-to-face with throughout this last year. there has been a lot of errors people made. there has been good faith errors and bad faith es or. lots of people in media, public health. people, policy makers, republican and democrat. lots make good faith errors. they made the bad call, bad judgments. because it's a bad, terrifying disease and it's new and they've gotten stuff wrong. while trying to do their best to help others. that's a big category of errors. right? but there has been a force in our life for this pandemic between donald trump who went out of his way to get his vaccine in secret and rupert murdock's media temperature and a whole ecosystem that demonstrated nothing but bad faith. bad faith, fully knowing what they were doing. putting people in danger, and getting people sick because they think it will rate. and we still have to deal with this. because overcoming this cynical bad faith misinformation is the final hurdle for herd immunity both before and during the time of year, senator, al franken had an experience observing and dealing with fox news, they have specialized in disinformation specifically around health and both of them join me now. senator franken. i want to start with you in the kind of ways in which our informational consumption, political discussions and health discussions, get shaped, in your experience in the u.s. senate, in politic, buys this kind of bad faith cynicism. >> i've had an experience with fox news both before the pandemic and it being the senate and they view the lines more in line with the fundamentals of the right. look, there are two universes of information right now. there is information and there is disinformation. and fox news and oamn and news facts and others deal in disinformation. and the republicans in the senate and in congress have in large part bought into that. that's why, even though 70% of the american people favor the covid relief bill. every republican voted against it and now they're going to double down by suppressing it. that's their game plan. because of that, we've got to deal with the filibuster. we read about that. i have been pushing something that someone on sni have worked together for a long time. which would be a reform filibuster, which would put the burden on the minority. in this case, instead of the democrats having to come up with 60 votes and a filibuster. republicans would have to come one 41 votes to sustain a filibuster. then they have to spam the floor. they have to debate. and the debate would have to be germane and i think voting rights bill would be a good one to do this on and i know my republican colleagues, they're not going to want to be on the floor at 3:00 in the morning. this is, i have been talking to my senate former colleagues and i know joe manchin and i know that krirs tin cinema said they won't vote to overturn the filibuster, but joe manchin went on a number of the sunday shows and said he is very opened to reforming it. >> i mean i think the sort of that question of minority control and particularly when it interlocks with this alternate ecosystem is kind of the loggerheads the country finds itself. i think brandy on that point has sort of alternate information ecosystems. i want to be very clear here. i think we all have people in our like, we know, love, respect, are skeptical or hesitant, or don't trust big farm na. and no one should feel like cowed or bullied into this. right? but there is this question of like how you in good faith sort of bring information to bear when the stuff people are getting access to is often not being disseminated in good faith? >> right. well, you know, it's normal to have questions, especially in times of crisis. right? but misinformation really thrived when people have no faith in the institutions that are there to protect them or help them. you know, tucker karlsson, not just him, a lot of fox news opinion people, they spend each and every day chipping away at that trust. these messages have an effect. i mean, right now, polling suggests that 50%, 49%, half of republican men aren't going to get the vaccine and that's because these messages really come through and you know the most odious part about tucker's shift is, you know, like he said, he just likes to ask questions. he likes to claim that no one will answer the honest questions. tucker carlson has one of the biggest platforms on the planet. if he has real questions, he could probably get doctors or scientists or experts to come on his show and ask these questions. instead, he invites covid deny years to come on his show. he doesn't want answers. he wants his audience to be afraid and it's working. >> i wonder, too, senator, the role of the republican party in this. i mane, you did see a little daylight with mcconnell on covid unmasking. he would do his videos with the senate republicans last year, where they have a mask. mcconnell saying i don't go to the white house. that place wigs me out. it's a germ factory over there. it strikes me in some ways the platform of the republican party, senators, elected officials is dwarfed by those news systems anyway. >> you know, he, mcconnell will go anywhere, any tame. he will change his story as we have seen of late. the thing about it is, i had andy slabbit on today on my podcast and these are incredibly effective. there has been no one who has gotten sick. you get the when they say 95% effective for pfizer, no one is going to get very sick who has gotten it. you will not be hospitalized. they're not going to die. this and we need people, enough people to take this to get herd immunity. dr. fauci said between 70 and 85%, depending on things like that we don't know, about variants and stuff look that. this is incredibly crucial information. tucker karlsson knows what he's doing. and it is so cynical and so wrong and this is really what this whole culture of putting out this disinformation is about and it's awful and it's doing a huge disservice to everybody. >> yeah. well, whoever you are out there, there is good information on this, this john hopkins thing we talked about. the data is remarkable. it is the data, one way or the other. al franken hosted the al franken podcast, thank you both. >> thank you. all right, people are starting to see that stimulus money hit their bank accounts. people are imagining all the things they'll do with the money. like when that direct deposit hits, time to update. let's talk about daylight savings. no need to save. we can afford the sun. my personal favorite. what will the chicago bears do with the cash? 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>> chris, it is huge. it shows that, in fact, not only can government respond to the crises and the pain the people are feeling. are you right. if you are a struggling, working class family today, worried about eviction, worried about feeding their kids and suddenly you got a $5600 check, man, that is extraordinary. but it also shows that we are trying to get a level of efficiency in the government of competence that we have not had before. so it not only doing the right thing. it's doing it properly. >> you know, you, obviously, are proudly a socialist. you call yourself a social it for many years. there is this conflict, consumer socialism. which is i think around walking. there was a variety of socialist mayors there, the idea is, look, you want to government to do stuff, you better deliver on the technical parts, you better implement, otherwise, people are not going to trust you. two of the things on the checks is an attempt to do that. >> so, that's exactly right. we have to continue to do that. to me, chris, what is so important is not only the $1,400 bucks. not only beginning effective will i to deal with a pandemic, not only cutting childhood poverty in half, not only getting money to states and cities who desperately need it. not only extending unemployment. not only developing great summer programs for our kids, community health centers will be expanded. it is that and much more. it is finally seeing the united states congress taking a hard look at the problems facing working families and responding rather than listening to corporate lobbyists, rather than listening to wealthy campaign contributors. they are actually pay eight tension to the needs of the american people. and that is what the democratic party has got to continue to do and if we do that, we will transform this country and we will become a political force that will not lose control of the house of the senate. >> you have a hearing tomorrow in the budget committee, which you now chair. it's a second hearing about sort of inequality and particularly the ways in which it's been shaped in the covid era. i believe you invited ceo jeff bezos of am con to colorado i believe he declined. what do you want to ask him? >> well, not a radically different question that i wanted to ask the walton family last week, when we did a hearing on minimum wage, the walton family is the wealthiest family in america. they pay their salvation wages. i wanted to say to jeff bezos, who by the way with a little bit of prodding from some of us raised his minimum wage to $15 bucks an hour. what i want to say is, jeff, you are worth $180 billion, b, $180 billion. you are the wealthiest person on earth. why are you spending millions of dollars trying to defeat a union organizing effort in alabama where your workers are providing with decent wages and working conditions, what is your problem? when is enough enough? so tomorrow, we will deal not just with bezos and the union organizing drive in alabama, but what we're going to deal with is the whole issue of income and wealth and equality. the fact in many ways this country is moving towards an oligarky, where two people today, bezos and elon musk own more wealth than the bottom 40% of people. where ceos today are making over 300 times what their average worker is making. we need to take a hard look at that and determine the kind of country we want to become and i do not believe we want to become an oligarky. i think we want an economy that works for all, not just the people on top. >> a great focus by alice mcgill is. i would recommend folks watch this. it talks about those ympblts i want about those ideas. i want to talk about the theory that floats this. comparing this to 2009, this is his take. sometimes 50 senators can get more done than 60. the caucus in obama's term was stacked with relatively conservative democrats from republican-leaning states that act on the ambition. nearly every one of those senators is gone, leaving the democrats with a caucus that seems a lot more inclined to think big, at least for now. what do you think of that? >> i think that's kind of right. i think the most important point is the american people are now prepared to think big. let's not kid ourselves. the progressive movement for the last number of years and grass roots organizing has had a very significant impact on changing consciousness in america. what happened is the democrats, we passed a very strong bill and you know what, it's been indicated 75% of the american people like it. you know what, when we raised the minimum wage to $15 bucks and we guaranteed paid vacation time and we do paid family and medical leave and we create millions of good-paying jobs, rebuilding our infrastructure and attacking climate change and take it on the fossil fuel industry, the american people will like that, too. so the issue we are dealing with is will the democratic party? we're off too a really good start, have the courage to address the crises facing the american people even if it means taking on the big money interests who have so much historically and had so much historical influence over the legislative and economic life of this country. >> senator bernie sanders, who is the chair of the not budget committee. thank you so much for your time, sir. >> thank you. next the cruelty of the republican bills targeting transyouth across the country. but father makes an impassioned plea. you absolutely need to hear this. i will play it right after this. this i will play it right after this. allergies don't have to be scary. spraying flonase daily stops your body from overreacting to allergens all season long. psst psst you're good ♪ ♪ ♪ when it comes to your financial health, just a few small steps can make a real difference. ♪ ♪ ♪ guidance on your terms. confidence feels good. chase. make more of what's yours. 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to protect my child. i did not want my daughter or siblings to be teased. truth be told i did it to protect myself as well. i wanted to avoid those inevitable questions why my child did not look and act like a boy. py child was miserable. i cannot overstate that. she was absolutely miserable. especially at school. no confidence, no friends, no laughter. i honestly say this i had a child who did not smile. we did that for years. we did that against the advice of teachers, therapists and other, perts. i remember the day everything changed for me. i had gotten home from work and my daughter and her brother who were in the front lawn and she had, my daughter had sneaked on one of her older sister's play dresses. and they wanted to go across the street and play with the neighbor's kids. it was time for dinner. i said, come in. she asked, can she go across the street? i said, no she asked me if she went inside and put on boy clothes, could she then go across the street and play. it's then it hit me that my daughter was equating being good with being someone else. i was teaching her to deny who she s. as a parent, the one thing we cannot do, the one thing, is silence our child's spirit. and so on that day, my wife and i stopped silencing our child's spirit. the moment we allowed my daughter to be who she is, to grow her hair, to wear the clothes she wanted to wear. she was a different child. i mean, it was immediate. it was a total transformation. i now have a confident, a smiling, a happy daughter. she plays on girl's volleyball team. she has friendships. she's a kid. my daughter did not choose to be a girl. she's been a girl from day one. god made her that way. and the god i believe in does not make mistakes. i came here today as a parent to share my story. i need you to understand, that this language if it becomes law, will have real effects on real people. it will affect my daughter. it will mean she cannot play on the girl's volleyball team, tennis team. it means she will not have the opportunity all of us had. to be a part of a team, to be a part of something bigger, greater than ourselves. i ask you, please don't take that away from my daughter or the countless other who's are out there. let them have their childhoods. let them be who they are. i ask you to vote against this legislation. >> so, out of the republican-led legislature, missouri react to that incredible emotional plea? 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and you know, girls sprinteding or whatever. what do you say to folks who ask you about that? or have that argument? >> i mean, taking that back, it's not the same ting we heard in 2016. i was on your show in 2016 when there were 50 states because we heard the greatest threat to women and children and the possibility of transchildren using the bathroom. we realized that was a conterrorized fear-based many it's to push transpeople out of public life. that's exactly what we are seeing here with sports. in 1977, when they participated in the u.s. open, we heard transsports was just around the corner. 45 years later, there are no transpeople in sports. but what we are doing is pushing kids out of school. out of safety, out of the ability to be in solidarity and camaraderie with their friends. you can't tell someone that we will honor your identity. we will respect you until 2:30 p.m. and then we are going to tell you that are you not who you know yourself to be. that is not a position of affirmation and support and has catastrophic consequences for these young people. >> let's talk more about the gender affirming care part of this. i do think there are again people who are not bigots or have not given this a lot of thought they think to themself, oh, children and, you know, hormones or medical intervention of any kind, like, i don't know how i feel about that, like an 8-year-old. break down what the laws are doing and what our best sense of what kind of medical consensus is on gender care. >> first and foremost, there is so much fear-based misinformation being pedalled around this. the reality is that young children are not getting hormones. they're not getting surgery. we're talking about a well established medical protocol that is supported by the american academy of pediatrics. the endocrine society, there is a medical consensus that this care is life saving. that it helps young people affirm who they know themselves to be. and if you've listened to brandon's testimony, you have children who are begging their parents to be who they know they are. these kids will suffer. these kids will die without their care. alabama just voted why ed to move a bill that would make it a felony to provide this treatment. i cannot stress enough how catastrophic this will be n. alabama, kids as young as 14 can consent to any medical procedure. this bill would make it a felony for young people, their families and the all of whom agree the care is necessary. all of whom are consenting to it. will they have it up to age 19? question will be cutting kids off from the care we know to be saving their lives and they're doing it because of that. these bills are being pushed in tandem that animated principle behind them, it is inherent to be tran, which it is not. we are sending horrible messages to children to their families when we know that what these young people need is love, affirmation and support. >> dwyane wade had a great tweet the other day saying i don't know brandon boulware at all. but i do know that we have something in real common. our kids are more than bedrooms and bathrooms. thank you for coming on the program. i really appreciate it. >> thank you so much, chris, good to see you. 55 days into the biden administration, republicans are already attacking him on immigration. but what is really happening on the border? next. s really happening on the border next ♪ ♪ it's not "pretty good or nothing." it's not "acceptable or nothing." and it's definitely not "close enough or nothing." mercedes-benz suvs were engineered with only one mission in mind. to be the best. in the category, in the industry... in the world. visit your local mercedes-benz dealer for exceptional lease and financing offers. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. ♪ ♪ this is the planning effect. if you ask suzie about the future, she'll say she's got goals. and since she's got goals, she might need help reaching them, and so she'll get some help from fidelity, and at fidelity, someone will help her create a plan for all her goals, which means suzie will be feeling so good about that plan, she can just enjoy right now. that's the planning effect, from fidelity. the president's allowing so many people in the country illegally without stopping the invasion, and we're being forced to educate those folks. >> immigration without assimilation is invasion. that can weaken our country. >> we don't know if they have skills that we need, whether they speak english, whether they're gang members. >> we have a political party opening up illegal immigrants. i think the president should shut the border. >> visceral fear of immigrants has been a key core of right wing messaging for years under both democratic administrations and the trump administration itself, which never made a lot of sense. at the end of his presidency trump even used covid as essentially a pretext to keep out unaccompanied minors even those with legitimate asylum claims, they just got turned away. now under president biden we have thousands of unaccompanied minors arriving at the southern border and of course just like clockwork, conservatives are swooping in again. >> this crisis is created by the presidential policies of this new administration. there's no other way to claim it than a biden border crisis. >> play the hits. for years, the border has been a kind of right wing anti-immigration metaphor. but there is of course also a real actual physical border between the u.s. and mexico which is an incredibly complex place. we saw this firsthand in 2019 when we traveled down to texas, probably the worst moment during the child separation crisis. even amidst the right, correct moral outrage, the actual details of what were happening even then were really complicated. and there have been people working on these issues in all their complexity for years including democratic congresswoman annette baragon of california. congresswoman, i know this issue has been a focus of yours for years. let's start with what's happening now. my understanding is that the trump administration had used covid protocols to basically say any unaccompanied minor could not come in no matter what, they couldn't pursue their asylum claim, that was lifted under biden, and now there are thousands of children in u.s. custody who showed up at the border. what happens now? >> well, chris, first, thing for having me on, and you're right, every time that there are challenges at the border, republicans go down there not to see what's going on, not to find solutions, but really to just try to stoke this fear and division and try to paint migrants who look different than them, from different countries, as bad people. and so this is just another one of their playbooks that they're doing and they did this weekend. what we're seeing happening is a product of the trump administration dismantling an immigration system and dismantling the investment in northern triangle countries to try to address the root problems. we have to remember that there are children who are in these countries who are desperate. maybe they've gone through hurricanes like the two in honduras. they're fleeing violence, they're fleeing poverty, and of course covid just complicates that. they're desperately making this journey to the united states because we have had a system of laws that the prior administration basically just threw out the window. and so just today, i got an update from fema within the hour about their efforts to help hhs, help health and human services. the goal here is to make sure that these children get out of cbp custody as quickly as possible and into the home of a sponsor. chris, i don't know if you know this but 80% of the cases, these children have family here in the united states. so the administration is making every effort to reunite these children with those families while they await for their cases to be heard. >> right, so there have been some criticisms they're staying in -- by the way, cbp custody is bad on the whole, i think it's fair to say. you do not want to be in cbp custody very long. longer than 72 hours, which is a violation of the policies. and then there's concern about sort of temporary facilities and then there's concern, right, about the kind of incentive structure. this is really what this is about at a textual level, how much this is happening because of signals being sent from the biden administration and how much is happening because of things that are happening in central america and other places. and on that end, the president gave an interview today, and i want to play it for you and get your reaction to what he said about that conundrum. take a listen. >> a lot of the migrants coming in saying they're coming in because you promised to make things better. it seems to be getting worse by the day. was it a mistake not to anticipate this surge? >> well, first of all, there was a surge the last two years, in '19 and '20 there was a surge as well. >> this one might be worse. >> it could be. but here's the deal. we're sending back people -- first of all, the idea that joe biden said come because -- i heard the other day that they're coming because they know i'm a nice guy and -- >> we've seen this. >> here's the deal, they're not. >> do you have to say quite clearly, don't come? >> yes. i can say quite clearly, don't come. we're in the process of getting set up. don't leave your town or city or community. >> what do you think of that? >> well, there's one thing with the biden administration and that is, they're going to follow the asylum system that we had that former president dismantled, right? that means trying to get these kids out of the custody of cbp within the 72 hours. now, because of the influx we've certainly seen more kids coming. but the president makes a good point there, and that is, he has been telling folks not to come because there is a system in place, certainly with the mpps, those that were asked to remain in mexico. he's developed a system to try and get them processed as quickly as possible and into this country, something the last administration did not do. it is a dangerous journey and we do need to find ways to make sure to address this problem. and that really does start in investing in the northern triangle countries. the root problems and the causes of why we're seeing more and more kids come here. and so, you know, i don't disagree with what the president said today. on the contrary, this is a president -- and by the way, sect mayorkas is testifying before homeland tomorrow, has made clear both in his statements and his opening remarks in line with what the president is saying, is, this is a new administration that's going to treat migrants with the dignity and the respect and the humanity that the prior administration did not do. and even under the trump administration, we saw those numbers rising. so this was happening prior to president biden. and we should be applauding the fact that we've got a president who is going to treat migrants with the dignity and respect and actually follow the law, not throw it out, which is something the trump administration did. >> we'll stay on whether that promise is fulfilled, because often it gets very complicated at the border about whether it is. congresswoman, thank you very much. that is "all in" on this tuesday night. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris, thank you, my friend. and thanks to you at home for joining us this hour. we are covering late breaking news out of georgia tonight. and i have to warn you, it is disturbing news and this is a developing story. seven people have been shot and killed in georgia tonight, in the atlanta metro area. at least two more people have been injured in what appear to be connected attacks. police confirm there is a suspect in these shootings, that confirmation coming in the last few minutes. police say the shootings occurred at three different locations, again, all in the atlanta metro area, all three locations are massage parlors. a suspected shooter first entered a