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right now, the u.s. and the uk are crushing. now, arguably, the most powerful person who doth tried those two worlds in the english-speaking world is of course, that man, media mogul rupert murdock. he is at a high risk if he were to get covid, because she kuwait old so two weeks after the pfizer vaccine was approved in the uk, the guardian reported, quote, a convoy of range recoveries delivered the 89-year-old billionaire to a dedicated center in henley oxfordshire. normal hours are understand stood to be extended at the last minute. a favorite for rupert. he got the vaccine. he put out a statement how good it was and the rupert murdocks, the wealthy and powerful people, they understand the vaccine is our best shot to protect themselves from severe illness and to president i this virus to heal. and rupert murdock did not want to get covid, because he wanted to make it to 90. he did last week. congrats, happy birthday. he does not want to die a premature death. that is not the message the rest of us are getting from the multi-billion enterprise he owns. because you see, are you not in rupert's club. are you not in his social circle. you viewers out there this tv land is where they throw out the chum for the common people. where they disengine white housely stoke skepticism and fear by posing as brave truth-tellers and the guys flinging nonsense at people and leading to more people getting sick. this has been true throughout the pandemic. there is a nightly drum beat on fox news specifically from tucker karlsson that is underlining our best chance to get out from this disease. when will we finally repeal corona law? what about this vaccine? why are americans being discourage fareed asking simple straight forward questions about it? questions like, how effective are these drugs? are they safe? they should prompt questions for experts in this country. one of those experts is how effective is this coronavirus vaccine? how necessary is it to take the vaccine? don't dismiss those questions from anti-vacciners. don't kick people off social media for asking them. answer the questions. especially now. those questions were the subject of two 8-hour long zoom meetings publicly on precisely that question. i watched part of it. these are not miden. it's fine. it's understandable to ask questions. this is all new. no one is saying get the vaccine or we there throw you in jail. it is a 43 country. tucker karlsson knows this. obviously, tucker knows there are easily accessible answers about the vaccines. he's not stupid. he just thinks his audience is. so he feeds into fears by lying that shod doughy people are refusing to answer the questions. how effective are the vaccines? 90%, johnson&johnson, 70s. they're questions. can't we ask questions? this is by the way the most cowardly way to do this, to hide behind a pose of contaxpayerianism. the vaccine will kill you unless you want to find yourself gone. so tell your families and friends who might be watching something else right now, here is the data we have. let's look at what is happening in long-term care facilities. these aren't clinical trials. once people started getting vaccinated in long-term care facilities, cases and deaths started to fall precipitously. look at what is happening in israeli, a cdc study found it led to dropped severe covid cases. john hopkins medication answer questions like is the covid-19 vaccine safe? what are the side effects? can i get notified, itself, from the vaccine. the answer in every instance is vaccines as best we know appear to be safe for almost everyone. again it's not the word of god, right? we're all human beings trying to figure this out. it's the overwhelming consensus of scientists based on the data, based on rigorous clinical trials now millions and millions and millions of doses of real world news. that's what we got again. it's not perfect. the world is complicated. we all make decision under uncertainty. that is where we have the best evidence we have. these are safe. they are certainly super effective. we know how bad covid is, even though lots of people spent a year lying about how bad it was. that's the really hard thing to come face-to-face with throughout this last year. there has been a lot of errors people made. there has been good faith errors and bad faith es or. lots of people in media, public health. people, policy makers, republican and democrat. lots make good faith errors. they made the bad call, bad judgments. because it's a bad, terrifying disease and it's new and they've gotten stuff wrong. while trying to do their best to help others. that's a big category of errors. right? but there has been a force in our life for this pandemic between donald trump who went out of his way to get his vaccine in secret and rupert murdock's media temperature and a whole ecosystem that demonstrated nothing but bad faith. bad faith, fully knowing what they were doing. putting people in danger, and getting people sick because they think it will rate. and we still have to deal with this. because overcoming this cynical bad faith misinformation is the final hurdle for herd immunity both before and during the time of year, senator, al franken had an experience observing and dealing with fox news, they have specialized in disinformation specifically around health and both of them join me now. senator franken. i want to start with you in the kind of ways in which our informational consumption, political discussions and health discussions, get shaped, in your experience in the u.s. senate, in politic, buys this kind of bad faith cynicism. >> i've had an experience with fox news both before the pandemic and it being the senate and they view the lines more in line with the fundamentals of the right. look, there are two universes of information right now. there is information and there is disinformation. and fox news and oamn and news facts and others deal in disinformation. and the republicans in the senate and in congress have in large part bought into that. that's why, even though 70% of the american people favor the covid relief bill. every republican voted against it and now they're going to double down by suppressing it. that's their game plan. because of that, we've got to deal with the filibuster. we read about that. i have been pushing something that someone on sni have worked together for a long time. which would be a reform filibuster, which would put the burden on the minority. in this case, instead of the democrats having to come up with 60 votes and a filibuster. republicans would have to come one 41 votes to sustain a filibuster. then they have to spam the floor. they have to debate. and the debate would have to be germane and i think voting rights bill would be a good one to do this on and i know my republican colleagues, they're not going to want to be on the floor at 3:00 in the morning. this is, i have been talking to my senate former colleagues and i know joe manchin and i know that krirs tin cinema said they won't vote to overturn the filibuster, but joe manchin went on a number of the sunday shows and said he is very opened to reforming it. >> i mean i think the sort of that question of minority control and particularly when it interlocks with this alternate ecosystem is kind of the loggerheads the country finds itself. i think brandy on that point has sort of alternate information ecosystems. i want to be very clear here. i think we all have people in our like, we know, love, respect, are skeptical or hesitant, or don't trust big farm na. and no one should feel like cowed or bullied into this. right? but there is this question of like how you in good faith sort of bring information to bear when the stuff people are getting access to is often not being disseminated in good faith? >> right. well, you know, it's normal to have questions, especially in times of crisis. right? but misinformation really thrived when people have no faith in the institutions that are there to protect them or help them. you know, tucker karlsson, not just him, a lot of fox news opinion people, they spend each and every day chipping away at that trust. these messages have an effect. i mean, right now, polling suggests that 50%, 49%, half of republican men aren't going to get the vaccine and that's because these messages really come through and you know the most odious part about tucker's shift is, you know, like he said, he just likes to ask questions. he likes to claim that no one will answer the honest questions. tucker carlson has one of the biggest platforms on the planet. if he has real questions, he could probably get doctors or scientists or experts to come on his show and ask these questions. instead, he invites covid deny years to come on his show. he doesn't want answers. he wants his audience to be afraid and it's working. >> i wonder, too, senator, the role of the republican party in this. i mane, you did see a little daylight with mcconnell on covid unmasking. he would do his videos with the senate republicans last year, where they have a mask. mcconnell saying i don't go to the white house. that place wigs me out. it's a germ factory over there. it strikes me in some ways the platform of the republican party, senators, elected officials is dwarfed by those news systems anyway. >> you know, he, mcconnell will go anywhere, any tame. he will change his story as we have seen of late. the thing about it is, i had andy slabbit on today on my podcast and these are incredibly effective. there has been no one who has gotten sick. you get the when they say 95% effective for pfizer, no one is going to get very sick who has gotten it. you will not be hospitalized. they're not going to die. this and we need people, enough people to take this to get herd immunity. dr. fauci said between 70 and 85%, depending on things like that we don't know, about variants and stuff look that. this is incredibly crucial information. tucker karlsson knows what he's doing. and it is so cynical and so wrong and this is really what this whole culture of putting out this disinformation is about and it's awful and it's doing a huge disservice to everybody. >> yeah. well, whoever you are out there, there is good information on this, this john hopkins thing we talked about. the data is remarkable. it is the data, one way or the other. al franken hosted the al franken podcast, thank you both. >> thank you. all right, people are starting to see that stimulus money hit their bank accounts. people are imagining all the things they'll do with the money. like when that direct deposit hits, time to update. let's talk about daylight savings. no need to save. we can afford the sun. my personal favorite. what will the chicago bears do with the cash? 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>> chris, it is huge. it shows that, in fact, not only can government respond to the crises and the pain the people are feeling. are you right. if you are a struggling, working class family today, worried about eviction, worried about feeding their kids and suddenly you got a $5600 check, man, that is extraordinary. but it also shows that we are trying to get a level of efficiency in the government of competence that we have not had before. so it not only doing the right thing. it's doing it properly. >> you know, you, obviously, are proudly a socialist. you call yourself a social it for many years. there is this conflict, consumer socialism. which is i think around walking. there was a variety of socialist mayors there, the idea is, look, you want to government to do stuff, you better deliver on the technical parts, you better implement, otherwise, people are not going to trust you. two of the things on the checks is an attempt to do that. >> so, that's exactly right. we have to continue to do that. to me, chris, what is so important is not only the $1,400 bucks. not only beginning effective will i to deal with a pandemic, not only cutting childhood poverty in half, not only getting money to states and cities who desperately need it. not only extending unemployment. not only developing great summer programs for our kids, community health centers will be expanded. it is that and much more. it is finally seeing the united states congress taking a hard look at the problems facing working families and responding rather than listening to corporate lobbyists, rather than listening to wealthy campaign contributors. they are actually pay eight tension to the needs of the american people. and that is what the democratic party has got to continue to do and if we do that, we will transform this country and we will become a political force that will not lose control of the house of the senate. >> you have a hearing tomorrow in the budget committee, which you now chair. it's a second hearing about sort of inequality and particularly the ways in which it's been shaped in the covid era. i believe you invited ceo jeff bezos of am con to colorado i believe he declined. what do you want to ask him? >> well, not a radically different question that i wanted to ask the walton family last week, when we did a hearing on minimum wage, the walton family is the wealthiest family in america. they pay their salvation wages. i wanted to say to jeff bezos, who by the way with a little bit of prodding from some of us raised his minimum wage to $15 bucks an hour. what i want to say is, jeff, you are worth $180 billion, b, $180 billion. you are the wealthiest person on earth. why are you spending millions of dollars trying to defeat a union organizing effort in alabama where your workers are providing with decent wages and working conditions, what is your problem? when is enough enough? so tomorrow, we will deal not just with bezos and the union organizing drive in alabama, but what we're going to deal with is the whole issue of income and wealth and equality. the fact in many ways this country is moving towards an oligarky, where two people today, bezos and elon musk own more wealth than the bottom 40% of people. where ceos today are making over 300 times what their average worker is making. we need to take a hard look at that and determine the kind of country we want to become and i do not believe we want to become an oligarky. i think we want an economy that works for all, not just the people on top. >> a great focus by alice mcgill is. i would recommend folks watch this. it talks about those ympblts i want about those ideas. i want to talk about the theory that floats this. comparing this to 2009, this is his take. sometimes 50 senators can get more done than 60. the caucus in obama's term was stacked with relatively conservative democrats from republican-leaning states that act on the ambition. nearly every one of those senators is gone, leaving the democrats with a caucus that seems a lot more inclined to think big, at least for now. what do you think of that? >> i think that's kind of right. i think the most important point is the american people are now prepared to think big. let's not kid ourselves. the progressive movement for the last number of years and grass roots organizing has had a very significant impact on changing consciousness in america. what happened is the democrats, we passed a very strong bill and you know what, it's been indicated 75% of the american people like it. you know what, when we raised the minimum