the middle of what could become a much bigger war. the ongoing russian invasion of ukraine, deepening fears of what the china might invade taiwan while america is indirectly supporting two major wars. extreme political polarization around the world and here in america, not to mention a climate crisis that they're in the habitability of our very planet. so much is going wrong. so much there around us, which one is the most serious threat to global stability? none of the ones that i mentioned. the greatest threat to the stability of the world right now remains a twice impeached, what the bull indicted former president of this nation, donald trump, is the greatest threat that the world faces. here is why. those global crisis i mentioned actually hang in extremely delicate balance with president biden steady and on the wheel. as chaotic as things may seem right now after some, how much worse to take it with donald trump at the white house? he's on the case, joe biden's, with ukraine. he's re-developing a relationship with president xi and china. he sure has a night a lot of people at home with his israel policy, but he has created more space for an american president to influence israel than we have seen in a while. and he has a real commitment to solving the climate crisis. here is how those situations could play out with donald trump at the helm, according to a recent piece by the economists. quote, knowing that america would abandon erupt, mr. putin would have an incentive to fight on any crane and pick off former soviet countries such as moldova where the baltic states. without american pressure, israel is unlikely to generate an internal consensus for peace talks with the palestinians. by asserting that america has no global responsibility to help deal with climate change, mr. trump would crush efforts to slow it, and he is surrounded by china hawks, who believe confrontation is the only way to preserve american dominance. up between a deal making president and is warmongering officials, china could easily mascot the overtime, with catastrophic consequences. donald trump is quite literally on the wrong side of every global issue, and, ironically, every domestic issue. in particular, with his revisionist history version of the january 6th attack on the capital, he calls the rioters awaiting trial or sentencing, not prisoners, hostages. they would like nothing more than to whitewash the violence that day. in special counsel jack smith's case against him for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election, donald trump even tried to have references to the violence on january six stricken from the indictment. and by extension, from the trial. but today, the judge tanya chutkan is saying, no, the ruling against donald trump's request to sanitize jack smith 's indictment from the brutal reality of that day that we also. in their filing to judge chutkan, jack smith and his team argued that january 6th was, quote, the culmination of the defendants criminal conspiracies to overturn the legitimate results of the presidential election, with a defendant directing a large and angry crowd, when he summoned to washington d. c., and a field would knowingly false claims of election fraud, to the capitol to obstruct the congressional certification proceeding, and quote. jack smith's filing makes a important point about the power of trump's words and his willingness to use the threat of violence to achieve his goals. just within the past few hours tonight, a colorado judge ruled that donald trump's january 6th speech led to the violence of that day. quote, the court finds that trump see lip speech incited imminent lawless violence. trump did so explicitly by telling the crowd repeatedly to fight and to fight like hell, to walk down to the capitol, and that they needed to take back our country through strength. he did so implicitly by encouraging the crowd that they could play by very different rules because of the supposed fraudulent election, and quote. the colorado judge did not go as far to block trump from appearing on the ballot in the case, saying, quote, establish that trump engaged in an insurrection on january 6th, 2021 through incitement, and that the first amendment does not protect trump's speech, and quote. it is more evidence, however, that when donald trump speaks, supporters listen. when he attacks judge chutkan, that sends a message to the people who were enthralled to him. jack smith and a steamer set to make arguments before a federal appeals court on about why the gag order on trump should remain in place, but in their filing on the issue, they want to, quote, shortly after being assigned to the case, the court itself received a racist death threats explicitly tied to the courts role in presiding over to defendants case. with the caller stating, among other things, if trump doesn't get elected in 2024, we are coming to kill you, so tread lightly. and then a word that starts with a b and ends n h. you will be targeted personally, publicly, your family, all of it, and quote. hours after donald trump's gag order in the new york city front case temporarily paused, he went right back to attacking the justice clerk on social media, calling for political bias and out of control, and quote. in california is today, the man who attacked speaker nancy pelosi's husband with a hammer last year was convicted after a four-day trial, on the stand in his trial, david -- the paper testified how french conspiracies, quote, awakened him to the truth. from there, he became a supporter of mr. trump and a skeptic of the mainstream media. it came to believe in a vazquez percy theory that liberal elites for promoting pedophilia and spreading lies about mr. trump, and quote. donald trump's messages, they won that he verbalize is and the ones he doesn't, are being perceived. bear in mind, this is where things stand right now. it's november 2023. think about where we're headed next year. trump's civil fraud trial, the one we could see, have him hit with a nine figure fine and shattered to submit as a business tycoon. the money come up in the next few weeks. e. jean carroll's second defamation trial set to begin in january. shortly after that, jury selection will begin in jack smith's 2020 election case against him. the hush money case will be next spring. the classified documents case is kurt's goal for may, and this afternoon and atlanta, district attorney fani willis told the judge that she wants her case to begin on august 5th 2024, a date which trump and his legal team have already strenuously objected. much more on that in a moment. all of this is going to be happening while trump desperately campaign sector to get back into the white house. my point is this, do we back trump to be less or more crazy, as all this pressure ramps up? then we expect this most hard-core supporters on earth to be less or more crazy, as the threat of their leader -- the walls are closing in, and a cornered donald trump is a threat that cannot be ignored. joining us now is senior nbc news reporter ben collins, comes -- and it was vance, former united states attorney and official from the university of alabama school of law. thank you to both of you for being here. joyce, let me start with you. i want to start with the case in colorado, because i have been trying to figure out all night. i know about and it involved, i know nothing about a lot that i did not love learning in law and order. this one is confusing me a bit. i want to read to you about this. to be clear, part of the court's decision is its reluctance to embrace and interpretation which would disqualify presidential candidates without a clear unmistakable indication that such is the intent of section three. talking about the 14th amendment, section three at the constitution that said that if you have taken an oath to the constitution, and you engage in a selection, you will -- you cannot hold office again. can you tell us what this judge is talking about? >> yeah, it's a really interesting ruling, and i have to confess, this one caught me off guard too. because what the judge is saying is that under this provision of law, trump has to be an officer of the united states, when he previously took an oath and then engaged in insurrection. those are the conditions you have to me to be excluded from the ball. the judge making this tremendous finding that trump was actually involved and instructions but not ordered that he be removed from the ball, because i find he was not an officer of the united states. so that's a curious legal ruling. it will not go on appeal, and this will end up in the colorado supreme court. >> and one of these cases dealing with donald trump as it relates to the 14th amendment get to the supreme court of the united states before the election? every secretary of state and every state is watching this very carefully to understand, because okay pressured have donald trump taken off the ball or kept on the ball? and i think they want someone hired then them to make the decision. >> i think that that is absolutely right, because as a political matter, i think there is a lot of squeamishness about making the decision to take this election out of the hands of the voters. that seems to be what we saw animating the decision in colorado. the timing question is interesting one. appellate courts can move quickly when they want to, and other times, they can drag their feet. of course, the supreme court is not obligated to hear certain types of cases. so whether we actually get a decision from them or whether this rests on one of the state supreme courts, i think what to watch this proceed. >> ben collins, i saw you the other day, but it was not on tv, so it's not used to me. but i've been meaning to ask you about this because over the last month or so, maybe longer than a month, i've had people, whom we know, who watched donald trump close and said, what is going on with donald trump? he appears to be cracking under pressure. the main pressure seems to be this new york civil trial. but then, something else started to happen with donald trump, and he took his normal incendiary dictator like language, and it started to match up a very closely with things that adolf hitler has said, quite literally, using terminology that is not common terminology but used by hitler. we know that he used mussolini language in the past. bottom line, that stuff has been proved to have worked in the pass. calm people vermin, which hitler used for the jews. he's similar things were used in rwanda, calling people cockroaches. but this stuff works, and donald trump appears to be employing more. what's going on? >> his comms director, when pressed about this, said crushed their entire existence. because back into office. they're not being subtle about this anymore. i think very clearly, the circle has to end to loyalists. and those loyalists don't really care much, if there is violence implied or violence explicit at this point. that is what they're talking about. they're talking about round ups of immigrants in the country, once again back in place, he talked about camps, once they get back into the white house. and they're talking about 50,000 people off this inherently violent task, where there will be mistakes, special run by somebody like donald trump. this is the issue. we are facing and explicitly, authoritarian regime, and the people around him or people that will not leak stuff anymore. they're not going to disagree with him. they're not going to be somebody who tries to top down. they're going to try to find ways to enact those authoritarian tendencies, and those are inherently violent. >> joyce, we've heard this in some of the general six trials, the prisoners who donald trump called hostages. we heard the sunday trial at the guy who attacked then pelosi's husband, who is then awake into these ideas that he did not know about and came to follow donald trump. this is kind of what we worry about, people talking about a civil war, i'm not sure if we have architects working against one another, in 2020. for i certainly hope that we don't, but there is this problem, to what degree when people testify about things they believe donald trump and his henchmen say. are they responsible for another. how do you deal with this? >> so these are complicated problems. portrait them fall within nickel territory. sometimes, even have criminal prosecution. other times, this falls within political sphere of influence. i think anyone who is rational, who looks at trump's inability to curb his language and his rhetoric, knowing that it's dangerous for people would find that he is not fit to be in office. you know the intersection of a lot of this is the work that the fbi does on homegrown violent extremism. it is something that law enforcement is very skilled in dealing with. obviously, there was an issue, where it took law enforcement a little while longer than initiative to make the turn from foreign terrorism to domestic terrorism. but now, knowing that it's an issue, there's every reason to be alert to this, and if the occasion arises, for trump or anyone else can be held accountable, i think it will be. we saw that happen in the january six proceedings with some of the radical militia groups, who now spend essentially the rest of their lives in prison. those tools are there. they have to be employed. >> what does that do to the cause such as there is one, ben, about radical extremists? some very private people are going to jail for the rest of their useful life? others -- almost see themselves as martyrs to a cause. what does that do because we know, we've seen in other parts of the world, when you throw the book at people like that, it is not always intend to get rid of the movement? is the movement weaker shocker now as a result of the fact that some people have been punished for criminal activity on the behest of donald trump? >> i think there are some people who will fan on january 6th and walked out realizing they have done something wrong. but i think that's not the majority of them. and i think donald trump said he would release political prisoners, that's not what they are but and a 2024 trump administration, all bets are off. they will probably be pardoned. in this instance. and that might be what happens -- >> some of them want to be captain secretaries. >> and i want to make it clear. david -- he very clearly outlines that he had a hit list. it wasn't just nancy pelosi. it was hunter biden, gavin newsom, and also a gender studies professor. he heard about him from a right-wing podcast, because he learned about him from playing video games all day. if you think this is not going to affect just random people, your sorely mistaken. when the far-right machine, pro trump machine gets its hooks into people. once it decides somebody's the enemy. whether they're a private citizen or public citizen. they'll join and. and once it becomes weaponized and the gloves come off, the idea your protected because nobody knows who you are, you are one weird outrage campaign away from being -- >> yeah, that's a good warning. good admonition to us all. thank you to you both, my friends. joyce vance and ben collins, appreciate you both joining us. viewers of this program are very familiar with alexander vindman, the star of the first trump impeachment. now his twin brother, eugene vindman, the guy who reported the phone call his brother overheard is running for congress. because as we have discussed, the most important issue in 2024 is democracy itself. the candidate, eugene vindman, joins me next. ...there are places you'd like to be. like here. and here. not so much here. farxiga reduces the risk of kidney failure which can lead to dialysis. ♪far-xi-ga♪ farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract or genital yeast infections, and 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district. so, this is the first time we've told and this context. and i'm excited to hear that for all the stuff that joyce ins ben and i told about in the first block of the show, you, too, have been politicized by donald trump. but in every different way. >> i have, ali. and great to see you. this is the first time we're talking endless context, but let me report the most significant activity tonight was that we just finished our and of jason soccer game here. the parents beat the girls, and so we maintain our dignity. so i got to enjoy that with our neighbors. but to your point, 2019, starting in 2016, before, we saw the activities of a corrupt, fraudulent, former president that continued and frankly culminated in the attack on the capital on january 6th. and it didn't stop there. as i mentioned in that statement, 147 members of congress supported the president. these extremists, to overturn the election. and if we thought that chapter was close, it's not. because in 2024, dona