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what he says is ahead for them. plus, the images that we've seen out of the west bank as crowds gather to welcome home palestinian prisoners who have just been freed, all while aid trucks continue to move into gaza. our nbc team is covering all angles of this story, and i want to begin with nbc's chief international correspondent, keir simmons, who's in qatar where a lot of work was done to get the truce extended. what more can you tell us about this new deal? >> reporter: well, chris, we're waiting right now for the last tranche, if you like, of the last deal, which is, we understand, likely to be 11 hostages released, 33 palestinian prisoners released from israeli jails. that is set to happen in the coming hours. and if it does, in just these coming hours, it's now 10:00 at night here. that would be a little bit earlier than saturday night, when there were some real challenges. didn't happen until midnight. but later than on other occasions, there have been some issues today over who is on those lists being disputed by hamas. we're waiting for that. and then the news in the past few hours that the truce will be extended by two days, and on each of those days, ten more hostages will be released and 30 palestinian prisoners, so it's an extension of the agreement, which for every hostage release, three palestinian prisoners are released and that's something that the qataris in doha, the u.s. administration have been pushing for, as well as the egyptians, and we got the impression through the day that the israelis and hamas were interested in this idea from the israeli side, trying to get as many hostages out as possible, is attractive, given that they were already in this state of pause, this temporary truce. >> keir simmons, thank you for that. i want to bring in professor hagai levine, the head of the medical team for the hostages and missing families forum, which was formed by families after the hamas kidnappings. thank you for being with us, professor. let me get reaction to the news over the last couple of hours that the cease fire has indeed been extended by a few days. >> of course the families that i'm escorting as a physician and a head of the medical team, they are very emotional. they are on an emotional roller coaster, and of course it's good news. we hope as many as possible hostages will be released soon, and yes, it's good that it's continuing. at the same time, we are extremely worried about those that are not released yet. >> let's talk about those who have been. it has been incredibly moving and emotional, even from afar. watching videos of freed hostages. we saw a photo of abigail, and her grandparents. . we also saw a mother with her girls, 8-year-old ella, and they were held with the rest of them for 15 days. yoni asher with his two little girls who say they dreamed at night of coming home. remarkable to watch. what can you tell us about these freed hostages, how they're doing, and what experience tells you they may face in the days and weeks and months to come? >> well, each one i was in a meeting with the red cross weeks ago together with the mother, as we just saw, and i was so happy for her to see again her daughters. also in the meeting were the children of elma and tali, and uhi. and brought the medications that are urgently needed for elma, and he told the red cross, my mother may be dying at the moment without the medication. unfortunately, this was fulfilled last night, and i was there with them to witness how the mother was brought in a situation that no human being should suffer. she was neglected for weeks. she came, without complete conscious. she is ventilated. she had lice and wounds all over her. probably happened when she was drugged somehow, like a sack of potatoes. that's something that no one should suffer. and if she would have been treated properly, as before the abduction, she was a happy grandmother, self-independent woman with some medical needs that were okay when treated. so that's something that is a great worry for all of us about what's going on with the other children. we hope for speedy recovery, the physical recovery may be quicker, the mental recovery will take a long, long time. >> we are getting more details about how -- what the situation was as theyerbeing held captive. karen munder who was released on friday, told a family member eyere fed bread and rice, but even that wasn't a regular occurrence. that relative told "the new york times" that they had lost 13 to 17 pounds in captivity. they had spent their time sleeping on chairs that were pushed together to form a bench. what more are you hearing about the conditions they were held in and what kinds of medical needs are presenting themselves. obviously at the very least, many of them have been under fed, dehydrated, and as you say, even in that condition, with lice and other problems that result from being held in those tunnels. >> so each one of them was in different conditions. they were kept in different places as groups, and we know that. now, i can tell you that some had injuries, like she was supposedly treated but didn't get the right treatment. now she was operated yesterday, and she now continues in recovery. we know that regarding the stress, you know, under stress, some were in better condition, some worse, but they do want to show the lights that they were heroic and solidarity between the people that were abducted. they split the feed between them. they helped each other to the extent they could. one of hostages requested that another person would be released before her, because she thinks she is in a poorer condition. imagine what kind of, you know, to be so noble. you're in captivity and to offer such a thing for someone else, and we see between the families, such solidarity, and all of the families of the released hostages are saying we will not rest until the last is released. i think that today, what we should focus globally is the fact that there are people still there that could be dying because of lack of proper medical care and all of us should call upon the world leaders, the iclc, you must get the red cross to enter now and to give them the proper treatment or just listen. because such an event as we saw, that's something that should never happen. we are with the families. i must say it's also very difficult for the families that every day they don't know if they will get good news or don't get any news, and we are -- our teams, the resilience team, the psychologists, with them all the time, and the conditions, again, it's -- you know, it's also for each one of them, it depends what is most important in life. some miss the sunlight, and some miss their family. some of them didn't know whether or not their loved ones were killed or survived. they had all kinds of thought, and how you deliver the news to them that maybe some of them, their house were burned, their family members were murdered. it's very very difficult, and many of them cannot really start the recovery process because still, like their family members are inside. so imagine how difficult this is. >> that story will stay with me of the person who thought that someone else should go first, not knowing what the consequences would be of making that decision. truly extraordinary how none of us knows how we would react in that situation, but that is an exceptional act of selflessness. professor hagai levine, thank you so much, and we appreciate the work that you and your organization is doing for the hostages and their families. and coming up, critical aid now flowing into gaza as hamas announces the death of a top commander. what impact could this have when fighting resumes. a military expert will join me when we're back in 60 seconds. liberty. liberty. ♪ the subway series is taking your favorite to the next level! like the #20. the elite chicken and bacon ranch. built with rotisserie-style chicken and double cheese. i love what i'm seeing here. that's some 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>> thank you from home. put you in a prison. you don't know why, how, no evidence and they can bring you that indefinitely. >> without charges. without trial, without anything. >> i can't defend myself, for instance, if i have no evidence, if i have no accusations, specific. >> and this happens regularly to children, to minors? >> yeah, yeah. >> chris, it's because palestinians view these arrested and detentions in this light that we have seen such large crowds of people celebrating the release of these prisoners whom they perceive as heroes. we know that israeli authorities have told palestinians not to publicly celebrate the release of prisoners. as you can see from pictures, a lot of people are defying the orders, chris. >> david, we just got in some video from moments ago. we saw a group of people wearing the red cross logo, walk into the prison in the west bank. this is of course where palestinian prisoners are being released by israel under their truce agreement with hamas. we don't have any word on when there might be additional releases today, but obviously we're watching this scene there closely. what can you tell us about that prison, david? >> this is an israeli military prison, right? as i explained, the arrests and detentions happen in the military. several of the prisoners, including some we interviewed were being held in the prison. that's where we were serving the course of their administrative detention. others have been brought to the prison as a staging ground. we were there on friday the first night of the cease fire. red cross personnel entered the prison, gathered the prisoners. that's when we typically see big scenes of crowds celebrating their arrival. >> david noriega, thank you so much. let's bring in retired u.s. army colonel jack jacobs and an msnbc military analyst. colonel, i guess now there's potentially some breathing room with the truce extended by two days. then what? what does restarting this war look like? >> well, it's interesting, there are so many different pressures on netanyahu and the idf. there are some inside and outside israel who would like to see the cease fire continue, and that the primary objective is to get the prisoners back. there are others who would much prefer the war to continue, the offensive to continue, and the destruction of hamas, which was the original objective, for that to be the primary objective. for hamas, they would like to see the cease fire continue indefinitely. it's very difficult to envision how this all plays out. hamas has no motivation to release all the prisoners, and certainly not the last americans because that keeps pressure on the united states, who keeps pressure on israel, to continue the cease fire. it makes it extremely difficult to see what happens next. for those inside israel, and outside israel who see hamas destroyed, it's going to be hard to do that and figure out what the end game is. and so the likelihood is that for at least the time being, there will continue to be cease fires, but at some juncture, the pressure will be on the idf and netanyahu to continue the attack inside gaza and the united states and others will be pressuring israel not to do that, chris. >> let's talk about this concern by israel about hamas getting too much time, too much time to regroup, too much time to possibly set booby traps for its soldiers. does every passing day give them a larger tactical advantage? >> it does, and those of us who spent time in combat know this is true. if you're on the offense and engaging the enemy, you do not want the enemy to disengage because it gives the opportunity to do exactly what you're talking about, rearm, refuel, develop secondary and alternate positions, position people elsewhere to make life more difficult for the attackers who have a difficult task because you need at least a three to one ratio of attacker to defender in order to be successful, and even more in the environment of gaza with all the rubble there. increased communications among the sites and hamas, and generally to strengthen their defense. the longer the cease fire continues, the more difficult it will be for the idf to pick up where they left off and do what they say the objective is, and that is to destroy hamas. it will be far more costly, both to the idf and the people inside gaza if and when that happens. so disengaging and having a cease fire always serves the defender rather than the attacker. >> colonel jack jacobs, always good to see you, thank you. >> prime minister benjamin netanyahu making it clear the war is far from over. what will the u.s. do when the fighting resumes? 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