protesters gathering in tel aviv her weekly demonstration. the clouds have been there for months, now demanding new elections and the return of all the hostages. here is what we know about the mission that led to today's rescue of those four. ♪ ♪ i bid you all a very good day from msnbc world headquarters in new york. welcome in to "alex witt reports". we begin with this breaking news. the new reaction and emotional reunions as four israeli hostages have been rescued alive after being abducted from that nova music festival on october seventh. the four hostages, ranging in age from 21 to 40 years old have been taken to the hospital, reportedly in good physical condition. they include noa argamani, one of the faces of the hostage crisis after video spread of her captor. her father releasing a statement, thanking everyone who had a hand in her freedom, adding today is his birthday and he got the best possible gift. president biden also reacting to the good news today. >> before i begin my remarks, i want to at president macron's comments for the safe rescue of the four hostages that were returned to their families in israel. we will not stop working until all the hostages come home and a cease-fire is reached. that is essential to happen. >> the president right now at a state dinner in paris as he prepares to wrap up his trip commemorating 80 years since d- day. we have several reporters in place covering all the day's developments for you. in tel aviv we have raf sanchez. it is a big news of the day. tell us about the rescue and more about these now former hostages. >> reporter: so, alex, this raid was carried out in broad daylight, 11:00 a.m. in central gaza in an area, according to the israeli military. they say noa argamani was being held in one apartment building on her own and the three male hostages were being held in a separate apartment about 200 yards away . the israeli military says they stormed both apartments simultaneously. there were armed guards in the apartments and palestinian families living in the floors above and below. the israeli military extracted the hostages, the commandos using the code words we have the diamonds, when they rescued the hostages successfully. they brought them out to waiting helicopters and flew them back to tel aviv. they are at a hospital in the greater tel aviv area. just now, we just spoke to two friends of noa argamani, who had seen her a short while before . they said she is smiling. she is laughing. they gave her a big hug and it is almost unbelievable, alex, eight months and one day later these hostages physically, at least, seem to be in pretty good condition. it is, obviously, just impossible to imagine what they have been through over these 246 days. they all face a very, very long journey ahead. in terms of their physical help, at least, they seem to be in fairly good shape. there are celebrations as we speak right now going on in tel aviv but there is also an awareness. there are 120 other hostages still being held in gaza. the israeli military is acknowledging not all of them will come home in rescues like this. most likely, the vast majority of the hostages, if they are to come home at all, will come home in some kind of cease-fire deal, like the one president biden is pushing for. alex, we should note, while people are celebrating here in israel, there's deep, deep grief in gaza ride -- right now. the health ministry says more than 150 people have been killed in gaza during this israeli raid. many of them, according to the health ministry, our children, our women. is wind is saying its faces came under heavy fire in this heavily, densely crowded civilian area from hamas fighters. they say they had no choice but to call in air support. they say this was very, very targeted fire that they called in, but it is clear a number of innocent people have lost their lives inside gaza tonight. >> i tell you what, every story, it seems like there are elements of joy and tragedy. thank you for bringing it all to us, raf sanchez . >> right now we have the former senior intelligence officer of the c.i.a. and now msnbc intelligence analyst. the idf said this took weeks to prepare for, this rescue. how did they pull this off. by description, by daylight, you had helicopters waiting for the rescued hostages. they have four of them, there was a lot of gun fire exchanged, how did they pull this off? >> reporter: well, alex, it was an extraordinary operation. it is really, in my world of counterterrorism, as well, this is a daytime operation which the israeli undercover unit were described as refugees. they extracted the hostages. they did come under fire as they were leaving. in essence, that is when all hell broke loose. pretty extraordinary. they built mockups, apparently, for great deal of time, they used human assets and the u. s. assistant, in terms of intelligence reports. this reminds, i think, everyone of what happened in 1976 in uganda when the israelis rescued israeli hostages from military groups and that involved netanyahu's brother, who was killed, as well. incredible joy, relief, euphoria in israel mag. you had tv commentators crying, really an extraordinary period. i think we will be looking at the tactics of this operation for some time to come. >> when you say, and the idf says, they prepare for some time for this, first of all, how long could they have prepared? you have to think they were also believing they had to get there any second. you never know what could happen to these hostages. they were preparing to do it and pull it off which they did successfully, but how long might something like this take orcs we talk about u. s. intelligence participating, how? go ahead. >> sure. >> reporter: there is an intelligence soak over gaza. human assets, presumably, the israelis have, debrief up hamas members and our intelligence by prince. we know the u. s. was flying a drone for the last several months over gaza. they are collecting intelligence. you know, you get the go-ahead for this operation, really, when the time is right. you have eyes on the ground. the human as that will give you the trigger the hostages are there. perhaps their guard from hamas members are down. it is all very dynamic. it is not something you can necessarily plan for a certain time. it is him is driven by events on the ground. you know, apparently, they actually pulled off this operation several weeks ago because it probably was not right. these are really difficult. there were three different intelligence or security services the israelis involved here, pretty extraordinary. you're right, you're hoping the hostages are not moved and our unharmed. this is where, you know, what it comes down to, when it comes down to operations like this, that factor is enormous and good on the israelis for pulling this off. >> i am presuming the families of these four could not have been told there was something in the works, right? the idf had to keep this incredibly secret or not. >> no. the complementation on these things is extraordinary. they would definitely not want any weeks. of course, their families are going through incredible grief and you don't want them to say anything. of course, for the operators involved, the intelligence officers involved, you want nothing more than for this to be a success, for that incredible phone call that someone in the israeli government made to the families of the hostages that their loved ones were released. of course, we have seen on israeli tv, you are showing it now, how everyone was reunited. one quick point, alex come on this. we might see in the future now, there has been chaos and disruption. hamas will be on the run a bit. brats we will see the move hostages. with that, as i said before, maybe intelligence. human sources can pick up the movement of more of these hostages. i think the israelis demonstrated this could be done. of course, there is the overall question of how many hostages are still alive but thank goodness, four came out. >> one more question, and is certainly speculative on your part, but these four, granted they are young, ages 21 to 40, reportedly all four of the are in good health. raf reported they were kept in three and four story apartment buildings, not kept in tunnels at least at the time of the rescue. how much you think that makes a difference on the physicality and their ability to be healthy 250 days into being held hostage? >> that is really interesting. i think that is what caught a lot of attention in my circles. they were being held by palestinian families, according to the israeli. hamas actually paid them off or perhaps forced the family stole them but they were above ground. certainly a hostage rescue attempt and certainly for their conditions, as well, one can speculate that because it is so much of the activity in the tunnel system, perhaps hamas did not feel safe being in the tunnels are keeping the hostages there. i think this does give some kind of hope the hostages, perhaps some of them, are in better condition and are dispersed in areas, perhaps not underground, remains to be seen. intelligence will drive this. that is where we are today. this is an intelligence driven operation. >> which i am very grateful you're able to break down for us. that is very good news for those rescued and their families. thank you, marc polymeropoulos. let's go to jay gray, in paris what the president. first off, jay, what is the response to the hostage rescue and what is the president's focus during this trip? >> alex, to that last part of that first question, he has been speaking a lot each day about the importance of strong allies to the security of democracy and freedom around the world. he did, in his comments today, as we saw earlier, talking about the rescue of those four hostages from gaza and the national security adviser jake sullivan expanding on the president's comments, pushing both sides to come to some sort of agreement. of course, the u. s. has suggested a peace plan they hope both sides will agree to. he says the united states is aborting all efforts to secure the release of hostages still held by hamas, including american citizens. this includes, through ongoing negotiations or other means, the hostage release and cease- fire deal that is now on the table would secure the release of all the remaining hostages together with security assurances for israel mag and relief for the innocent civilians in gaza. that plan is supported by french president emmanuel macron. he also supports and has stood by the u. s. in their support of ukraine during the war there. both sides have committed assets and a lot of support to ukraine. he talked about the importance of that ally bond, touching look the situation in ukraine to protect, again, freedom and democracy. >> okay, jay gray, thank you so much from that. >> all of europe standing strong with ukraine. we are standing with her allies and standing with france. we will not, we will not walk away. around the world, france and the united states are working together to share prosperity. >> my apologies, j. i talked over you. >> no, no. the president right now at a state dinner with president mckay roan and his wife. payback, if you will, for the state turner the president hosted at the white house in december of 2022, the first of his administration. >> yeah, that is a good reminder that one. that you so much. speaking of state dinners, as i now think you, jay gray, we saw the inside of the state dinner. is we get more those pictures, there is one, you can see macron there. it is a shaky camera. we will come back alabed and show you more when we get it. breaking news becky reynolds, pro-palestinian protesters with a very different look here. they have descended on the white house, voicing their frustration with president biden's handling of the israel- hamas war. the group was instructed to wear red to signify the redline biden has been accused of caving on after israel mag invaded rafah. this is been going on since at least noon eastern time, a little over two hours. we are monitoring it and we will bring you are live report in the next hour. there is an uncomfortable conversation that lies ahead for donald trump before he could be sentenced. we are back in 90 seconds. seco. and some lost over 46 pounds. . ♪ ♪ and i'm keeping the weight off. wegovy® helps you lose weight and keep it off. i'm reducing my risk. wegovy® is the only fda-approved weight-management medicine that's proven to reduce risk of major cardiovascular events in adults with known heart disease and with either obesity or overweight. wegovy® shouldn't be used with semaglutide or glp-1 medicines. don't take wegovy® if you or your family had medullary thyroid cancer, multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if allergic to it. stop wegovy® and get medical help right away if you get a lump or swelling in your neck, severe stomach pain, or an allergic reaction. serious side effects may happen, including pancreatitis and gallbladder problems. wegovy® may cause low blood sugar in people with diabetes, especially if you take medicines to treat diabetes. tell your provider about vision problems or changes, or if you feel your heart racing while at rest. depression or thoughts of suicide may occur. call your provider right away if you have any mental changes. common side effects like nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea may lead to dehydration, which may cause kidney problems. with wegovy®, i'm losing weight, i'm keeping it off. and i'm lowering my cv risk. that's the power of we. ♪ ♪ check your cost and coverage before talking to your health care professional about wegovy®. war. the group was instructed to wear red to signify you can see the french president, manual macron, dead center. they will offer a toast. you see president biden into his right you have the first lady of france and to the left of president macron is jill biden. they are both wearing beautiful gown plus. giving you a glimpse inside the state dinner. there will be a toast shortly. we will monitor and let you know if there are significant statements may. let's go to two new developments in donald trump's hush money conviction. judge juan merchan said he would allow a lawyer to be with him during his probation interview and it could be conducted remotely. it typically offers a chance for the candidate to make a good impression and why they deserve a lighter punishment. it was neck city's former probation and commenced -- corrections commissioner. >> we use the term, we call it individual amenable to supervision. that means he or she is receptive to accepting the restrictions that are placed upon them in the event they are placed on probation. will they comply with the rules? are they people who are likely to violate the rules? >> joining me now is a former prosecutor and deputy chief of the criminal division at fdny and meredith mcgraw, national political correspondent at "politico". first to you, how strictly will that standard of, is the defendant likely to violate the rules be applied in this case? >> so i think that is something the probation officer is really going to look hard at with this particular presentence report. typically, these all follow a similar formula. you are going to have the personal background of the defendant. his employment, his education, his physical and mental health, his family and criminal record, if any. here there isn't any. then there will be a section on the conduct in both the size looking at what that looks like into the transcript. they will site the gag orders. it is not somebody who will be really amenable to release. he has violated the law in the court's own order in at least 10 circumstances and i would argue has continued to do so after the ride. look for the prosecutors to point to recent violations where he is gone h-e-b to talk about the jury. they gag order will still be in place. donald trump has acknowledged it is still in place but he still talks about the jurors in plain violation of that order. left prosecutors to highlight that. on the other hand, look for defense attorneys to highlight positive aspects of the defendant's life, and to try to really argue why there should be a lighter sentence here. probation officers can also not just interview donald trump. they can also, if donald trump wishes, have them interview family and friends of donald trump to try to paint a more complete picture of what the defendant looks like in this very unique case and at the end of all of that, the probation officer makes a recommendation for what the sentence should be. that is an incredibly important recommendation that judges look at very, very closely. stay tuned for both parties to be angling for their site. and for the probation officer to with that recommendation looks like. >> to kristy's point, the daily mail also back that up. they say our normal conduct question would be about personal history but trump is no normal defendant and the court has granted him special concessions. do you anticipate this level of courtesy spilling over into sentencing? >> i mean, that is a great question. as you said, donald trump is no ordinary defendant. hanging all of this is trump's political ramifications of what this sentencing is. if it is too lenient it will be criticized. if it is too harsh, it will be criticized, as well. trump and his team has vowed to appeal whatever sentence is handed down here. it is somebody i will be watching to see the political fallout from this. sentencing is july 11th. the republican national convention kicks off july 15th. you know, depending on what is handed down to him, what sentence is handed down to him, could that impact his nomination? there are a lot of really big questions here about how this could all play out as this 2024 campaign continues. >> a huge when you just at there. kristy, how interesting is it that todd blanche, his attorney, be allowed there. why would he feel the need to be there? do you think that ultimately trump will face the consequences of parole officer asks as an ordinary, incumbent? >> it is not unusual for a defense attorney to be in the probation officer's interview. in fact, that is pretty standard for that to be the case. again, the probation officer will be asking questions. that will be documented in this report that the court sees. the defense attorney wants to be there to make sure the questions are routine, they are not going into any areas that the defendant may have privilege or may have some concerns about answering, particularly things about medical history, mental health. there are areas that are sensitive that defense attorneys want to potentially weigh in on, depending on where things go. it is not unusual. in terms of how heavily that will be wade, again, i think this will look pretty standard to what other reports look at and the report looks at these incredibly closely to determine what the sentence will be. >> i want to play with trump said this week about why he didn't testify. here is what he told one empathetic interviewer, dr. phil. >> i have a lot of lawyers that are friends and this and that. i had probably 25 guys over the course of a couple months say, whatever you do, don't testify because you will say something that is a little bit off and you will be indicted for lying, for perjury. i wanted to, i am telling you, they had to hold me back. >> how do you interpret what he is saying? first of all, who was his audience with that comment? how do you think it will play out politically? >> well, one of the things we saw play out over the seven week trial was donald trump saying he wanted to testify. he was willing to go the jail. behind that, of course, how might of it been a way to platy supporters at his base to talk about how he has been a victim of this weaponize judicial system, as he says.