from msnbc headquarters in new york. welcome everybody to alex reports. we begin with breaking news in former president's donald trump's hush trial. donald trump will sit down via news with a u.s. probation officer. this is according to three sources. we have vance a attorney she's also an mnbc legal analyst. what more do we know about this interview? >> thank you, alex. nbc news has learned from three independent sources mr. trump will appear tomorrow morning we believe via zoom for his investigative presentencing report. he will be meeting with a probational officer who will be on the tenth floor of 100 center street in manhattan. s that is where he appeared for six weeks for his criminal trial and he will be intervowed. -- interviewed. this is a highly unusual situation doing this over zoom versus in person. but they found it's the best way possible because of the security involved. we saw the intense security involved during his former trial. that would have to be again if he showed tomorrow for his interview. plus the people who typically show up for their probation interviews, defendants, people who are coming with families, they want to remain anonymous. they don't want to be identified. and authorities feel this would be incredibly disruptive so they felt this was the rout to go. >> okay so just to confirm. he's in mar-a-lago with his attorney, that's correct? >> that's correct. todd blanch will be at his side. he will be on the other side of the zoom. the probation officer will be in manhattan. >> vahn, how is the trump team approaching this interview? >> for donald trump to the extent he listened to his legal defense team, he listened to them and chose not to testify. it was because of his counsel that he made the decision not to testify in his case despite us knowing he wanted to do that and he wanted to tell his version of events. for donald trump this is clearly an important moment ahead of his sentencing. it's an opportunity for him to explain in his own terms in that meeting exactly how he views the guilty verdict and the extent to which he may or may not have any remorse for his actions. of course, donald trump has remained defiant on the campaign trail. he had his first public appearance on the stump this last week in phoenix. this is now going to be his second event here in las vegas when he takes the stage in just a few hours. so for him, there has been little demonstration on his part of suggesting that he regrets any of the actions that the 12 jurors found him guilty of. and instead he is impugned the reputation and the creditability of the judge who oversaw this case. judge marchand will be the one to determine that very sentence and he has under cut the entirety of the new york court system that led to the charges being brought against him by that grand jury in march of 2023. so you know, to the extent that donald trump is in control of his messaging within that meeting, you would expect it to be pretty reflective of what his public sentiments have been not only on the campaign trail but also over his social media over the course of the last week and a half, alex. >> okay, so how does a probation interview work. what are the kinds of questions that trump will be asked. i want to pick up on what vaughn just said in regard to what donald trump has said publicly when he goes out and campaigns and puts something on trump social or puts something over the telephone. his attorney says, hey buddy, you have to show some contrition, you have to be some what remorsable. -- remorseful. does the judge know what he's being told? >> i think it's important alex that the interview with the defendant is just one aspect of the confidential report that a probation officer prepares for a judge in order to aid the judge's sentencing decision. but the interview with the defendant which is almost always conducted in person, there's a provision in the new york rules for a defendant who lives out of state or where their exigent circumstances both of them appear here which will do this remotely. the legal team will look at his attitude, his character, his behavior. all of this aids the judge and part of this will include contrition. but donald trump has the right of every other defendant to say he's innocent. that does way when the contrition agent views how he will act in the future. >> will any of this be made public. is judge marchand any part of this tomorrow and does it get video taped. considering it's zoom, there has to be a record of it right. somebody has to be able to overlook and see what's happening in this interview. >> we don't know if there will be an official record if in fact, it'll be recorded. judge marchand is obviously closely involve with this. this report is going to judge marchand. he is considered a client of this meeting. on the 27th the prosecution will file their motions. so as joyce said, this is just one aspect of the presentencing report. there are other things that are involved including those motions. and then of course it's up to judge marchand to decide on a sentence. >> okay, so vaughn we know you're in las vegas where donald trump will be holding a rally. he's still under this gag order, how much will he be able to say about this meeting tomorrow. do you expect him to talk about it? >> i don't expect him to talk about the actual interview himself unless he was actual little brought in to go to new york. but he'll be doing it down in mar-a-lago where he'll be leaving las vegas after this event to go back to florida. i wouldn't expect him to talk heavily about it to the extent he brings attention to the case. it's more so to validate he is facing an unfair prosecution as he has repeatedly layed claim to. that is effective when talking to the voters who are loyalists at these events. a great number of them they know the specifics of what donald trump says was unfair. suggesting that judge marchand was an unfair. that his daughter was profiting from his case, which we have no evidence of. there are people who echo the words of donald trump. they're familiar with his refloodplain. and -- they're familiar with his refrain. for him you know, let's be clear it's going to be over 100 degrees as this rally unfolds today underneath the las vegas sun, alex. for donald trump he understands the importance of making this fight on the campaign as far away as nevada. that you're able to win over some of those hesitant conservatives who otherwise would be willing to vote for you but would be unwilling to vote for a convicted felon. >> last question to you, joyce. how does judge marchand use this interview to help him sentence donald trump. to what extent do these probation officers weigh in. is there a percentage, are there may be a quarter of consideration when a judge is going for sentencing? >> i wouldn't put any sort of numerical value on it. but adam makes a very important point. probation works for the courts and the judges in essence the client for whom this report is prepared. so when judges sentence and this is just generally across the board in federal and state cases, they apply something called the principle of parcimony. which means they shouldn't incarcerate their defendant for anything longer than the amount of time that's necessary to achieve the goals of the criminal justice system. so the judge considers offense conduct, a defendant's prior criminal history. but also the need to rehabilitate that defendant to deter future crimes by this defendant and others and also to punish in order to uphold the legitimacy of the system. and also, it's incumbent on the judge to use good information to make those decisions. this report is what gives him the basis for providing information he might not otherwise have. a defendant's financial condition. a defendant's self-assessment. the stability of his living circumstances. it's a very complicated and very serious responsibility that we ask our judges to perform. >> okay i want to thank you all. adam reese for breaking this story. vaugh from las vegas. joyce i'm going to ask you to stay with us because we have more questions. we have more pwraerbging news to report. new details on that daring raid to rescue hostages in gaza. fall out from the hostage rescue yesterday. matt, welcome. what else are you learning about this hostage operation? >> reporter: the impact here where i am in israel. there's still jubilation, celebration a day after those four hostages were rescued by the ivf. this is a rare moment. most israelis as far as they're concerned a disastrous military adventure that hasn't yet achieved it goals. this rescue, those four hostages including noah organami. one of the faces of the symbols of this hostage crisis here. she was rescued as well. so this was a really big, big moment of optimism for a lot of israelis. here's a moment from my colleague graff sanchez piece last night capturing that. >> noah's friends at her side. >> she's amazing. she's strong, she's laughing and smiling and. >> what was the first thing you said to her? >> just a big hug. and so glad that you're here. >> that we missed her. >> alga big smiles altz he hug -- smiles as he hugs friends and relatives and moved as he sees the prime minister. in tel-a-viv this life guard announcing the news of the rescue to a cheering beach. >> reporter: we were talking about jubilation just across the border in the gaza strip there's nothing but despair. that's because palestinians here are calling this the worse episode since october 7th. one of them at least. and those in the gaza strip are calling this a massacre. of the four refugees that were released, nearly 300 palestinians were killed all told in that operation according to gazan health authorities. some more than 60 of them were children. and there were many elderly and others clearly noncombatant civilians who were among those casualties. there were thought to be around 400 people who have been injured. those people taken to hospitals that have already been filled with the injured from previous attacks and the ongoing attack by israel on the gaza strip which has now killed more than 36,000 people. again according to the hamas- gaza health authorities. so this is a situation that is one of despair for the people in the gaza strip. the palestinians again they're calling this a brutal massacre. and we still haven't seen here in israel the end of the political fall out. we're still waiting to hear from benny gantz. he's a former military leader. a former general. he's a member of the war council sort of the war cabinet that was put together by prime minister benjamin netanyahu at the outset of this conflict back on october 7th. he has threatened to resign several weeks ago from this war cabinet. unless benjamin netanyahu comes up with some sort of plan for the postgaza governance. we may still hear that resignation. >> all right, if you hear more about that resignation, please come back to us. let's go to kelly in paris. what are we hearing from the administration today about what role the u.s. played in the hostage rescue mission and the president's last day as well in france. we'll let you go over that as well too. >> reporter: good to be with you alex. the administration has talked about general support for israel in carrying out this operation but no specific details. we know more broadly that there is intelligence support and different ways to try to help identify where hostages may be located in gaza. the u.s. was clear that there are of course no american boots on the ground involved in this operation. but the kind of support that the u.s. can bring to israel is something that has been happening for quite some time with different levels of intelligence whether it's signals intelligence or other kinds of satellite abilities. where they are able to try to gather information that may help to form the decisions that the idf has to make about when they execute an operation. so limited details but clearly support from the u.s. president biden is now on his way back to the united states after his trip here to france. and he ended his time here by making a stop at a world war i cemetery that is the, the resting place for a few thousand american marines who were part of a very important battle back in world war i. and the president wanted to make that stop. he said he had spent time honoring the heros of world war ii with normandy and d day and he didn't want to be in france without also going to this american cemetery. noteworthy for those who remember in 2018 i was covering president trump at that time when he was in france for the anniversary 100th anniversary of world war i, he did not go to this cemetery. there was a lot of controversy about that at the time. today president biden talked about the importance of alliances and a kind of relationship the u.s. has with especially european allies and all that's at stake in the world. then when there were active wars and the threats we face today. here's the president. >> even though i've been here before, it surprised me how much it awakened my sense of why it's so valuable to have these alliances. why it's so critical. that's how you stop wars not start wars. >> the president in almost every one of his events here in france has talked about the importance of these partnerships. and argues that that is what keeps countries like the united states, france and our other allies safe. that by having these partnerships where the u.s. stands up for allies they stand up for us, that that is the best deterrence to the kind of invasions we've seen from russia in ukraine and concerns about what could come later. now the president did not explicitly talk about donald trump while he's over seas. implicit in a lot of what he had to say were comparisons to the trump approach of america first and some of his frustrations and emphasis on wanting something different from nato and not supporting some of the alliances. so the contrast was clear even though the president didn't have to make it explicitly. that certainly played out during the days we've been in france. alex. >> all right, kelly o'donnell, thank you so much for that comprehensive report. joining me right now is embassador mark ginsburg and ambassador to morocco and senior global adviser for the extremist project. what's your reaction to the daring hostage rescue yesterday. but coupled with reports of more than 270 palestinians killed in the process. >> well alex, obviously this goes through the temerity of having to do a cost benefit analysis. israelis are obviously overjoyed about four hostages rescued. there's still 120 hostages, 43 of them are presumed dead. the fact that these four hostages seem to be in such excellent health is obviously reassuring about perhaps the remaining hostages. but the fact remains alex is that the palestinians who are suffering under a continuous assault and desperately in need of humanitarian aid, are almost being ignored by the israeli public over the fate of what is taking place and the fact is that despite all of the best efforts of the president and his team to get negotiations concluded for a cease-fire, hamas refuses to agree to the terms of a biden agreement. because one reason, one reason only. hamas is insists a complete and permanent withdrawal of israeli forces from gazan exchange of israeli hostages. >> is u.s. intelligence assisting search for israeli hostages. >> i really don't know. i'm very familiar, although i'm very familiar with the ivf as you well know, the fact is i don't really know if the idf expected, and this goes back to the intelligence that while they may have known that there were four hostages were being held. the fact they had to attack in such significant velocity in order to secure those hostages, probably speaks to the fact that once again, israeli intelligence is nowhere near as capable as it needs to be in order to understand the perimeter of issues that they are trying to deal with when it comes to hostages negotiations. just look a couple of days ago, they hit a school where men, women and children were hiding and taking refuge. this goes back to the enormous calamity of the suffering that's taking place and that hamas' refusal to negotiate is only inflicting more havoc on palestinians. >> hamas is claiming that three hostages were killed during the rescue mission that includes an american. the u.s. nor israel has yet to confirm this but how much can we believe hamas? >> let's take it at face value. it's very conceivable that there were hostages. there were more than four hostages being held in that apartment. there were hostages that were injured and killed you had to presume that perhaps that was a much more important target and that is the result of what is taking place. it's conceivable that unfortunately there may have been more hostages killed. after all, alex, there's 43 hostages who's bodies still haven't been returned who likely either died on october 7th or who have died in captivity. >> there are reports mark, that u.s. made weapons have been used in the serious of mass casualty events including that attack on the school. was the u.s. aware of this beforehand and does this violate any agreement that the u.s. has with israel about when and how they can use u.s. made weapons. >> it is a very opaque topic on crossing the line of gaza. this red line of weaponry being used that is american origin. the u.s. not wanting to hold accountable israel. members of congress believing it is violating u.s. statutes. unfortunately you have, in the fog of war, alex, you clearly have american weapons being used that are nonisraeli. the fact there's munitions being used is clearly a question. raises serious questions about whether or not the israeli, these idf and particularly the netanyahu government is paying any attention to the admonitions of the united states pentagon or the 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