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MSNBCW Dateline June 10, 2024



i didn't do nothing. >> hearing the judge say guilty. two brothers convicted of murder fight back against the justice system. >> a pattern. how to gain a conviction. >> i knew they were innocent and the question is do we have enough? >> there are several witnesses saying the testimony is coerced. can they all be lying? >> if i have to die in this situation -- trying to prove i'm an innocent man. never gave up. never. hello, and welcome to dateline. imagine spending nearly your entire adult life behind bars for a crime you did not commit. the man you are about to meet say that nightmare felt too real threat decades long journey to prove their innocence, they faced countless -- giving up is not an option, but, with their fight lead to freedom? here is the long road to freedom. >> tulsa, oklahoma. look at a list of top places to live and you will often find it. a city of promise of a new kind of energy, as its motto says. look a bit closer. just over the railroad tracks the separate the north from the south side, and you will find the city divided. segregated. if you walk deeper into north tulsa past boarded-up houses and broken basketball hoops, you will hear a story that's too familiar. >> the truth is, man, i've had to deal with the pain and the anger and frustration, sadness, the misery. >> like the families of george floyd, breonna taylor, michael brown, and hundreds of other african americans whose names are chanted in protest nationwide, malcolm scott wants his story told. >> if we don't know it exists, how can we do anything about it? >> his story starts like so many other black lives that have struggled to matter. raised in poverty under the suspicious eye of the police and destin to a life of run-ins with the law. at its heart, it's a story about two brothers, malcolm and corey and the bond that could not be broken. not even in the face of unimaginable odds. what was it like growing up? >> you felt like you were always home. familiar faces around you. >> large family? >> 12 brothers and sisters. it was crowded. >> [ laughter ] >> me getting a hold of football and running, that was life. >> malcolm caught the football bug from corey who was his older half-brother and best friend. >> we have a beautiful relationship. my mom would tell me, he is crazy about you. he would do everything you do. >> as a young teenager, malcolm dealt with the father who struggled with alcohol addiction and sometimes abused him. corey was his safe haven. >> i had to protect him. >> did he start to play the role of dad? >> i could better relate to him. i did not fear him and i felt safe with him. >> feeling safe was rare in north tulsa. this is where the poor lived, a place with few social services, but lots of crack cocaine and gang violence. the night of august 3, 1990, was typical on the corner of atlanta and forth, a gun was fired. corey says he happened to be driving through. >> i look to where the shot came from and i see the dude fall. when we got there and i saw his chest was still moving, he was still breathing, and i was like somebody call an ambulance. >> when police arrived they found james, a smalltime drug dealer dead on the sidewalk. he had been shot once in the chest and wrapped. police stopped corey at the scene. some of his friends were known gang members and police thought corey was too. he had no criminal record. >> they ordered him out of the car and they searched us down and search the car. he let us go. >> investigators were not able to develop leads in the case when cold. six months after the death, a 16-year-old told police he saw the shooter. it was corey. police arrested corey and charged him with first-degree murder. >> i was taken to the homicide division and the detective is like, you cannot tell us you did this? i am like man, i ain't did nothing. >> at trial, thomas became the star witness and prosecutors had more evidence. they played an interrogation video corey's friend who was with him that night in which he too told detectives that corey was the killer. corey took the stand in his own defense and testified he tried to help the victim, not kill him. >> i remember the da said, you know they don't believe you you were going to the penitentiary for the rest of your life. i said, yeah, but the truth going to come out. >> the jury did not believe him and found corey guilty. june 25, 1991, he was sentenced to life in shift -- sent to a maximum security prison and like that he was out of malcolm's life. >> corey left and i was no more than 13. that was hard. >> to fill the void, malcolm started to hang out more with dimarco, a basketball player and neighborhood jokester. >> i used to think i was so funny. you know. i would tell jokes and get the girls and make them laugh. >> in north tulsa, fund could easily turn tragic in a split second. mel clement of marco were at a party spot in december 1993 when a drive-by shooter hit the place. malcolm was grazed but dimarco was badly injured. he was rushed to the hospital with malcolm by his side. >> hang in there. keep your eyes open. he was holding my hand hold them. hang in there. >> losing his brother to present then seeing his friend almost die hard and malcolm. he inched a bit closer to the streets. police caught him with a handgun, something he says probably would not have happened if corey had been around. >> he has always been one who said no. you need to be in school forget that football. >> malcolm had always wanted to follow when his brother's footsteps and he was about to soon, another tulsa murder and another shock for young malcolm. coming up. fingers are pointed at malcolm and his friend. >> these witnesses said they saw malcolm and demarco there. they identified them. >> everything froze. time suspended for a second. >> when dateline continues. c . this is the view i had of my baby in the nicu. my tip is: speak into the opening so your baby can hear you better. 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>> it was bad. people were afraid. reports by crips and bloods warring. they were trying to deal with a high violent crime rate. a lot of guns on the street. >> september 10, 1994 was just that kind of day in north tulsa . another drive-by shooting. another senseless death. this time, it was 19-year-old karen summers, then mother of a baby boy who was gunned down into: 30 a.m. as she was hanging with friends at a party. >> this kind of case while it did involve a tragic loss of life of a young mother who was an innocent victim, it was not highly unusual and tulsa. >> the murder had the signs of a gang crime and a lot of them were at the party. a day later, investigator paid a visit to michael wilson, a well-known member of the bloods. he noticed it was parked in his driveway. it matched the description of the drive by car. >> mike, i want to talk about the shooting and my goal is trying to hide a [sound of gunfire]. he takes the gun. ballistic tests showed it was the gun that was used to kill karen summers. >> it seemed dampening but he told detectives he was hiding the gun for malcolm's friend, de'marchoe , and had given him the bullets. wilson was arrested for holding the gun but his story lined up with what police were hearing from two eyewitnesses, malcolm and de'marchoe killed karen summers. >> the witnesses said they saw malcolm and de'marchoe there and saw the shooting and identified them. >> suddenly malcolm was in almost the same situation his brother had been in three years before and telling eight tulsa homicide detective the same thing. i am innocent. >> i am like whoever is telling you this, they are mistaken. i didn't have nothing to do with it. >> despite the fact that no physical evidence pointed to malcolm and de'marchoe, prosecutors believed they were the shooter so they cut a deal with michael wilson and they allowed him to plead guilty to a lesser charge in exchange for testifying against malcolm and de'marchoe. at trial, the prosecution presented the two eyewitnesses and what wilson had told them then de'marchoe said the prosecutor approached him about a deal singing malcolm did and we will cut you a break. >> i thought he was insane for asking me that. >> you didn't even consider it. >> definitely not. why would i throw him under the bus? >> de'marchoe turned down the deal but nine hours later, he stood up horrified as the jury delivered its verdict. the two friends were both found guilty of first-degree murder. >> i couldn't hear nothing. people was crying but i didn't hear nothing. >> a judged sentenced malcolm and de'marchoe to life in prison plus 170 years. >> everything froze. it was like time just suspended for a second. >> malcolm thought of his older brother corey, now, they were both serving life for murders they said they did not commit. but, they were determined to stay strong and to help each other. >> we basically made a pact with each other. we said whoever get out first, gonna get the other one. >> odds mel clement corey could keep that promise were next to impossible. the road to freedom if it ever came would be long, filled unexpected twists and revelations. >> coming up. a private investigator tracks down one of the eyewitnesses who i date malcolm and de'marchoe as the killers. >> he couldn't look me in the eye. i've been carrying around a burden. >> when dateline continues. dat then i found a chance to let in the lyte.” discover caplyta. unlike some medicines that only treat bipolar i, caplyta is proven to deliver significant symptom relief from both bipolar i & ii depression. and in clinical trials, movement disorders and weight gain were not common. caplyta can cause serious side effects. call your doctor about sudden mood changes, behaviors, or suicidal thoughts right away. anti-depressants may increase these risks in young adults. elderly dementia patients have increased risk of death or stroke. caplyta is not approved for dementia-related psychosis. report fever, confusion, or stiff muscles, which may be life threatening, or uncontrolled muscle movements which may be permanent. common side effects include sleepiness, dizziness, nausea, and dry mouth. these aren't all the side effects. in the darkness of bipolar i & ii depression, caplyta can help you let in the lyte. ask your doctor about caplyta. find savings and support at caplyta.com. 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>> times you get tonight in court you feel alone. you want to say give some time. >> what was your lowest point? >> in situations when i wanted to be out with my daughter and help her and i could not. >> corey's daughter was born a couple of months after her father started his life sentence. >> they sent me paperwork trying to forfeit my custody saying i was unfit because i was in prison. i felt like i was failing her. felt like it wasn't my fault. >> corey felt the sense of failure and helplessness again when he heard about malcolm. what did you think when you heard your little brother was convicted? >> at first, this is my fault because he follow my footsteps. i felt this was my child begin taken away. >> your brother told us he feels partly responsible for you going to prison. >> i mean there is no blame on my brother at all and i can't hold him responsible for something that i didn't even do myself. >> when malcolm entered prison he thought he would get out as soon as he filed his first appeal than his second and third. >> denied. denied. denied. >> malcolm and his friend de'marchoe started writing letters. who did you right to? >> anybody in the legal field you could think. >> what would you say in the letters? >> i need somebody to look at this case and they will see. >> they wrote thousands of letters day after day for 11 years. finally, in 2006, a private investigator, the son of a tulsa homicide detective took on the case. >> i described their letters as scratches on a wall. i imagine what it must be like dropped in a whole 30 feet deep and good luck getting out. there is no such thing as a criminal justice system. it's just a system. it's not always fair. it's not always right. >> he track down the first eyewitness that what i.d. malcolm and de'marchoe was the killers. >> he couldn't even look me in the eye . i have been carrying around of burden. those boys did not do the. >> the man told eric cullen he shot at the drive by car as it sped away and cleaned the detectives threatened to put him behind bars for firing his weapon if he did not testify against malcolm and de'marchoe. >> he says they told him he could be charged with felony murder for firing the gun and it might've been him that killed karen summers. >> now that he was making progress, cullen needed help so he turned to someone who has been a champion against wrongful convictions for years. tiffany murphy, then the director the oklahoma innocence project. it was not the first time a tulsa case had landed on murphy's desk. >> i was seeing a lot of cases where there were no facts that supported what i was seeing on these convictions. when you are seeing that lack overtime involving the same departments, sheriff's office, police department, prosecutors office, that's what bothered me. >> cullen and the innocence team tracked down the second i witness who testified he had seen malcolm and de'marchoe but police records show he had been shot in the buttocks and his back was turned. >> common cells tells you if you're running away, you're not able to see anything. >> the eyewitness recanted and he claimed detectives had coerced his testimony too. >> this is a kid who got pressured into saying something he did not see. i was watching him. i could tell this was a man who remembered something that was extremely traumatic and as a black woman, i understand that. the fear of the police is a real thing. >> now, only one of the prosecution's q witnesses remain. michael wilson. >> michael is it. whatever he said had to tie everything together. >> the team knew exactly where to find michael wilson, on death row. >> coming up. >> i was incredibly nervous because i knew what was on the line for malcolm and de'marchoe. >> his job dropping omission. >> i was not trying to shoot karen summers. >> what he has to say about the police. marlo thomas: my father founded saint jude children's research hospital because he believed no child should die in the dawn of life. in 1984, a patient named stacy arrived, and it began her family's touching story that is still going on today. vicki: childhood cancer, it's just hard. stacey passed on christmas day of 1986. there is no pain like losing a child, but saint jude gave us more years to love on her each day. marlo thomas: you can join the battle to save lives. for just $19 a month, you'll help us continue the lifesaving research and treatment these kids need now and in the future. jessica: i remember as a child, walking the halls of saint jude, and watching my sister fight for her life. we never imagined that we would come back. and then my son charlie was diagnosed with ewing's sarcoma. vicki: i'm thinking, we already had a catastrophic disease in our family. not my grandson too. marlo thomas: st. jude has helped push the overall childhood cancer survival rate from 20% when it opened to 80% today. join with your credit or debit card for only $19 a month, and we'll send you this saint jude t-shirt that you can proudly wear to show your support. jessica: for anybody that would give, the money is going towards research, and you are the reason my child is here today. charlie: i was declared-- this will be two years cancer free. but there's thousands and thousands of kids who need help. saint jude, how many lives they do save is just so many. marlo thomas: charlie's progress warms my heart, but memories of little angels like stacy are why we need your help. please become a saint jude partner in hope right now. 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