the campaign -- they are talking about what people are actually feeling out there. i think that is going to be very helpful. you can get people statistics and all sorts of stuff, but we have to have real conversations about how are these things affecting you at home? a lot of surprises for me. a lot of fun in one hallway, running into two of my old friends. >> we will do this all over again. he might get some sleep, my friend. we have a surprise from the supreme court. a ruling in favor of common sense. all the justices except clarence thomas joined in favor of the common sense decision in the case of preventing domestic abusers from having guns. chief justice roberts, in the majority opinion, said the laws confirm what common sense suggests one -- one when individual poses a clear threat to another, the threatening individual may be disarmed. end quote. that threatening individual may be disarmed. that is a good concept. does it apply to this individual? >> those j6 warriors, they were more than anything else, they are victims of what happened. they were protesting a rigged election. >> the supreme court, again, said nothing about that individual. he is not trying to purchase a gun. he is trying to get complete immunity for the effort to overthrow the election that culminated in the violent attack on the capital on january 6th. he is calling the convicted attackers his warriors. victims. those are the people who beat police officers, hunted members of congress, threatened to hang the vice president. he is repeating the lie that the election he lost was red. he has not been deterred in the least. he is doubling down. trump is saying he will pardon these criminals come offering them immunity and possibly the opportunity to do it again and the court said nothing on that today. even though it has been six months since special prosecutor jack smith asked for expedited consideration of this matter, four months since the federal appeals court panel unanimously ruled that trump should be disarmed by simply making him subject to the law like everyone else in this country, in the meantime, president donald trump has been convicted by a jury of 34 felonies related to his effort to influence the 2016 election and still, the supreme court is affectively immunizing him by helping them run out the clock on federal prosecution. trump, today, is worse than he was in 2016 or in 2020. he and the country will be worse if he is returned to the presidency. to protect democracy, america must defeat trump and trumpism. if trump can come back from inciting an insurrection, the message will be lawlessness wins. criminality wins. sexual assault wins. overthrowing the will of the voter wins. threatening to assassinate the vice president wins. bidding police officers wins. threatening judges and prosecutors and juries wins. if trump wins, the person behind him will be worse because they will not be true -- pretending. they will know exactly who trump is. >> this is all for rallies, where people are assaulted and beat up, where a guy gets sucker punched by one of the trump supporters and instead of condemning it, trump is silent. when the guy is released from jail, he says the next time, they are silenced. then he goes on stage and makes things up. he keeps telling a story about a general who dipped bullets into pig blood and shot a bunch of muslim prisoners. not only is it outrageous, but it is alive. he has said to people, basically beat up the protesters and the hecklers and i will pay your legal bills. here is what people want to understand. maybe you think it is a joke, but people are not balanced. there are people that are not completely in control of themselves and they hear something like this from a leader and you do not know what they will do next. when someone is seeking a position of leadership and is already in a position of influence, you speak responsibly. that he can say anything he wants or can say -- whatever comes to mind, it is not true and it is reckless and it is dangerous. >> pretty refreshing. you will not hear that anymore as rubio is on a short list to be vice president for president donald trump. but that is exactly what happened, except instead of trumping those processors legal bills, his supporters pay them now. his lies and attacks have led to death threats. the trump appointed judge aileen cannon is holding a hearing on a trump motion arguing that special prosecutor jack smith's appointment itself was unconstitutional. nevermind that this is just a flimsy attempt that has failed before. in judge cannon's courtroom, every trump objection is infinitely more important than voters learning for a criminal trial whether the former president still -- stole classified documents and -- what length you want to stop the government from getting the back. you cannot have a successful democracy when the governing vision of one of the two parties is trumpism. >> a lot of republican politicians have surrender to it. of course, many of the same politicians who now publicly embrace trump privately dread him. they know what a disaster he has been and will continue to be for our party. they are just too afraid to say it out loud. i feel no need to kiss the ring. i have no fear of his retribution. i am not -- >> that was a great speech. she spoke truth to power. you know what happens next? she said she is voting for trump. but did you hear those cheers? that was republican voters, cheering the words, i have no fear of trump. trump lost 16% of the vote in the republican primary in pennsylvania. 18% of the vote in republican primary in arizona. 20% of the vote in the republican primary in wisconsin. all of those elections, all of those primaries were held after nikki haley dropped out. even when someone is not running against him, he is losing those numbers. those voters were not voting for haley. they were voting for a better, saner party. republicanism without trumpism. i like to call it make republicans normal again. i know our democracy will absolutely be worse if he wins. people in a functional healthy democracy do not have to wait on tender hooks, wandering will democracy hold today? will the supreme court get the guy who lost by 7 million votes a free pass for his coup? as far as former attorney general eric holder put it, there is no calvary coming. you are it. it is up to the voters to show that trumpism is a loser and democracy will ultimately win and, honestly, is it really so hard to stand up to this? >> so, there is a shark 10 years -- yards away. do i get electrocuted if the boat is sinking -- do i stay on top of the boat and get electrocuted or do i jump over and not get electrocuted. >> the great hannibal lector is a wonderful man. he oftentimes would have a friend for dinner. remember the last scene? excuse me, i'm about to have a friend for dinner. >> president joe biden -- >> joining us is tom nichols, a former professor and staff writer at the atlanta, where he is author of the atlantic daily newsletter. also, we have a political analyst. good evening, friends. where to start, tom nichols? where to start with president donald trump? it does have to end. for those who are conservatives, and there are many in this country, they need a future. they need someone to vote for any ideas to debate. none of this will happen until president donald trump is out of the way, not just president donald trump, but this whole concept he has brought to light in america. >> there are three groups when you talk about republicans. one is the donald trump base, the colt that is now the base of the republican party. then there are the republican electives, who are coward -- hour of the opportunist. they have no reason not to speak out against trump and they still somehow think they are going to be movers and shakers in some thing. then there is the third group of normal, patriotic american conservatives, people who are right of center who disagree with people on the left who really have nowhere to go, but they are a small group and they are trapped in between a cult who could not care enough about upper right or left door down and only care about this reality show they are watching, and they are trapped by republican elected's -- representatives. they just have to vote for them. so, i do not think short of multiple electoral wipeouts that take not just trump, but these other -- these really spineless politicians, i do not think there is much hope in the near term. >> jennifer, it is a strange situation, where we have 340 million people, but he will choose president donald trump, choosing a vice presidential candidate from a pool of people who have been harshly critical of him in the past, some of them in the near past, either doug burgum or j.d. vance or marco rubio, as we are reporting today. what you make of this and what you make about whether any of them are going to be useful to president donald trump, given the circumstances we are talking about? >> well, these are the spineless of the spineless. they have clawed their way up to be the crhme de la crhme of sycophants. that is why they are in the vp race. in the past, they may have said critical things but they have now capitulated and that makes him better because they have bent to his will. these people, i think, no better. i know that marco rubio knows better. marco rubio used to be in favor of immigration reform used to speak -- he used to be a hawk. he is willing to shovel all of that aside for the pleasure of being the next guy that trump would call the mob out to assassinate if need be. so, they are the perfect example, whether you call them enablers or you call them sycophants. it is all the same. they make trump possible because they do not stand up to him and they do not offer an alternative to voters. however, i think tom said something important. it is not going to be enough for one election because if and when, i pray, trump loses, republicans will say that was just because trump was crazy. his ideas were good. we need to try them again. those ideas, those frightful ideas, which are embodied in the 2025 docket, they will sell to the next guy and the next guy after that. it is not until they get wiped out repeatedly and badly that there is any incentive for them to compete for the rest of the electorate. >> this is interesting because it is not healthy for democracy , as much as some of our viewers may enjoy watching the demise of the republican party. we're not sure if it is really a demise, because they might win elections. it is not healthy for a functioning democracy, to not have parties with different views. for that small group, that third group of conservatives, you are talking about -- what has to happen? does this republican party have to burn down and fail? that may not happen in large swaths of this country. how do you rebuild the conservative movement in this country? >> you have to start somewhere. the first thing is i think the republicans have to decide those sensible republicans have to decide that they have to be wherever president donald trump is not, that they have to be part of a coalition that is in favor of the constitution and the rule of law and democracy. i think that is job one, because otherwise you're not going to get a healthy republican party. that party is not going to go away. it is the institution. it has money and offices and so on. so, you know, the notion that somehow tomorrow republican parties will go away and there is a new party, i do not think that is realistic. i think you are correct, that america is -- every democracy needs parties of the right and the left. particularly in a two party system like ours, we need a sensible conservative and a sensitive -- sensible liberal party. anyone who thinks this is merely the end of all conservative politics is fooling themselves and it leaves a space for people like trump and people who support him. that is a bad idea. >> jennifer crumley pointed out something that he will talk about. you're often with me on sunday mornings after he does these rallies. you never know what he will do. you will either dial up his other taurean rhetoric or he is saying ridiculous things. i do not know what he was talking about with president joe biden and fingers. he says nonsensical things and the crowd goes along with it. i am pretty clear nobody knew what he was talking about when he talked about sharks and batteries and electrocution and choosing death by shark or death by electrocution. how are we supposed to have this conversation? people talk about president joe biden and his age. what about president donald trump and the weird stuff he comes up with, these non sequiturs like hannibal lector, as if he were -- was a real person. >> he is nuts. whether he is clinically nuts or medically nuts, i am not prepared to say. however, his brain does not function properly -- he has non sequiturs. he believes in preposterous things. he makes a sound instead. something is seriously wrong with him. what we have, of course, is the emperor has no clothes. those cult members do not admit he is a lunatic and that there is something bad with his brain. they simply stand there, cheering along. no one has the guts to say, gosh, he makes no sense. so, it is going to be really interesting. i have encouraged the biden campaign and the president through my writing -- i don't know if he will take the advice and say, i do not know what you just said. you sound nuts. it is not until he is confronted, until people point out that he is incoherent, that he is in some sense not all there, that i think you breakdown the illusion, and, you know, he thrives because people pretend and fill in the blanks and treat him like he is a normal or even a supernormal person. he is not. he is holy -- completely uninformed and dangerous. >> we don't like these rallies or clips of him. i totally get it. life would be simpler without listening to president donald trump, but i think people have to listen to these things, so they can talk to them. thanks to both of you. it is always a pleasure to have you on. thank you for being here, jennifer rubin and tom nichols. will be two years since the supreme court limited roe v. wade. women's bodily autonomy is under assault by republicans everywhere, even for women in blue states. we will talk about that up next. next. that helps treat and prevent, all in one. to those with migraine, i see you. for the acute treatment of migraine with or without aura and the preventive treatment of episodic migraine in adults. don't take if allergic to nurtec odt. allergic reactions can occur, even days after using. most common side effects were nausea, indigestion, and stomach pain. it's time we all shine. talk to a healthcare provider about nurtec odt from pfizer. can neuriva support your brain health? mary, janet, hey!! 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>> well, exactly. you have this 150-year-old zombie law that was designed by the victorian morality police and it said you cannot send through the mail anything that is obscene or lewd or anything that could be used to cause the -- an abortion. this law has been considered irrelevant. it was sort of consigned to the dustbin of history. of course, now that president donald trump, thanks to president donald trump, we no longer have the protections of roe v. wade in this country. come to find out that this extreme maga movement has ceased on the act so