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CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 May 19, 2011



telling affiliate ktla the plane was being operated by a contractor called omega. it crashed on an aborted takeoff. there are skid marks nearby. we don't know went wrong or if weather played a role. there are high winds in the area right now. we know the crew of three managed to escape with minor injuries. we'll bring your more details as we learn more throughout the hour. now tonight, we begin keeping them honest, with a statement so outrageous it would be laughable except it concerns and tries to gloss over systematic killings by the regime in syria. much of those -- many of those killings caught on camera. syria's dictator saying today, authorities have made some mistakes in their handling of anti-government protests. made some mistakes, he said. today president obama slapped sanctions and tomorrow is expected to make syria a major part of his address. tonight, we'll show you shocking evidence of murder. more than 850 people have been killed since march, according to human rights watch. how many in prison and tortured we have no way of knowing. now something even more barbaric. this is video that claims to be from dara. we can't independently confirm the specifics, but it's plain to see. i want to show you an ambulance in the middle of sniper fire. you can clearly see the red crescent painted on the side. you can clearly see a driver in medical garb with a surgical mask sitting up front. it could not be plainer. ambulances by any rule of war and simple human decency are supposed to be off-limits. but watch what happened. >> what you're seeing are snipers opening up on a clearly marked ambulance, targeting it. no stray shots, bullets aimed directly at the front win dors, directly at the ambulance drivers inside. the driver, as you can see, is hit. we don't know if he's dead or wounded. we don't know exactly what happened to them. we do know from experience that syrian snipers target people trying to retrieve the dead and the wounded. those aren't mistakes, that is murder. we know they target people at funerals. not mistakes, that's murder. we know they shell their own cities. as video shows, they shoot teens and children. watch. [ gunfire ] we can't show you the rest of this tape. it shows another much younger child horribly wounded, probably killed. again, these are not mistakes. this is murder. let's bring in jill dougherty. elliott, obviously some tough sanctions announced today, maybe the president will have more to say. but how much can be done? how much can be accomplished? what else can be done to stop these killings? >> two things. first, we need to be clearer that assad has got to go. the president said that about mubarak and gadhafi. we need more sanctions and europeans to join us in them. we've got to get the richer people, the elite, particularly the sunni elite in syria to turn against him, and the way to do that is through the economy. >> jill, do we know what the president is going to say tomorrow? >> we think it's going to be tougher. there could be a good portion of it on syria. i don't think judging by what we heard he's going to go as far as elliott is saying in saying, you know, you have outlived your usefulness. you have to step down. the sanctions really did that. or at least that's the message. but you know, look at what they said, anderson, in the sanctions announcement today. go for political transition or leave. they're still leaving that window open for political transition, even though the united states has no idea, no -- there's no belief at all that he's going -- that assad is going to change. >> elliott, the white house in the past, toward the end of the mubarak regime, called on mubarak to step down, gadhafi obviously. why has. the president made the same demand of assad? >> well, one thing is they still believe in this reform nonsense. this is a regime that survives by murdering its own population. but it's been very slow to get particularly secretary clinton to turn away from this idea that he's secretly a reformer. the other thing is they're afraid of what comes next. there's the boogeyman of the muslim brotherhood taking over syria. >> you have no concerns about what comes next? look what's happening in egypt right now, things are not turning out necessarily certainly many of the secular reformers wanted. >> well, how much worse can it get than this regime? it's murdering its own people. it is iran's greatest ally. it is an enemy of israel. it is trying to take over as it used to have control over lebanon. it is a regime that was building a nuclear weapon with the help of north korea. it was a regime that funneled jihadis into iraq. what can be worse than that? >> jill, any discussion of removing the ambassador? >> no. in fact, we talked to two state department officials who said they're not thinking about that. the rational they usually use in this case is having the ambassador there, even if you can send a signal by yanking him out, still gives you a chance to talk directly with the regime, deliver a message, that type of thing, maybe even a harder message. but they're not talking about pulling him out yet. >> that's a mistake, because as i talk to syrians, what they're worried about is why is the american government in favor of assad staying? we need to do something symbolically that proves to syrians we're on their side, not on his side. pulling the ambassador is probably the easiest symbolic move to make that clear to them. >> elliott abrams, appreciate you being on the show, jill dougherty as well. thank you very much. we'll continue to follow this tomorrow. a lot more news out of the middle east tonight. a new osama bin laden audiotape that's making the rounds. in it, the terror leader talks about the arab spring. it was made about a week before he was killed by u.s. special forces. the release of the tape has been rumored for a couple of weeks. when we first heard of this about two weeks ago, i'm not going to play you this tape on this program. we would rather remember the victims who bin laden massacred, the brave men and women fighting in iraq and afghanistan are still to this day than listen to bin laden's cowardly voice recorded in his hole in abbottabad. just ahead also, the new report, years in the making on sex abuse in the catholic church. victims are furious about the report and why some are calling the new report garbage. new revelations about arnold schwarzenegger's infidelities, including details about the woman he fathered a son with and his other behavior. and how dominique strauss-kahn, the global banker accused of attempted rape, might be getting out of jail tomorrow. details on that. of course, we'll continue to monitor the military plane crash for new developments. we'll be right back. 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[ male announcer ] hurry, join for free today. weight watchers online for men. finally, losing weight clicks. you're looking at video of a burning jet at point mugu naval air station up the coast from los angeles. trying to put out the planes there from the air. the base's information officer saying the jet was being operated by a contractor called omega. the plane crashed on takeoff, heavily loaded with fuel. something went wrong, takeoff was aborted. there are skid marks veering off the runway. three crew members were on board, all managed to escape the wreckage and flames. we'll keep following it. now keeping them honest, for years victims of priestly sex abuse have been demanding accountability. today the church came out with a report that's supposed to be the most comprehensive study of priest abuse. but tonight many survivors say it's anything but that. they say the study plays word games to gloss over the problems and blas blame on society instead of a church that covered up for predatory priests for years. >> i was an altar boy at the end of a mass. he would grab you. >> when your father -- when you and your friends finally told i believe it was your father and he went to the church, the church actually just moved this priest to another parish, and that's where you come in, olen. you had the unfortunate circumstances of being in the next parish where that priest came to. >> absolutely true. this gentleman lacked supervision and he was moved continuously. he's moved each and every time due to these accusations. which he agreed to. there's no doubt about it, anderson, there was absolutely in place -- this man had a great career as a pedophile lieu to that lax supervision. >> this new report was commissioned by american catholic bishops conducted by researchers at john j. college of criminal justice and funded in part by the justice department. it concluded that celibacy could not be blamed for the epidemic and that gay priests were no more likely to abuse than heterosexual ones. more controversially, the report says there's no single reason behind the abuse, but it did blame an era. listen. >> the abuse is a result of a complex interaction of factors and there are a number of social forces that were taking place in the '60s and '70s that had an effect on a certain group of individual priests who had some vulnerabilities that might have led to that abusive behavior. >> they're basically talking about social attitudes in the '60s and '70s. many victims are outraged by this report. barbara blaine of the survivor's network says the catholic hierarchy wants us to believe that the abuse of children is situational. it's not. it's systemic. they're furious too that over the last 50 years, less than 5% of priests could be considered pedophiles. what's interesting when you look at the report's definition of pedophilia, the report authors use a nonstandard definition, using age 10 as the cutoff. the american psychiatric association's manual of mental disorders classifies a child as age 13 or younger, not age 10. so the church is saying a lot of the church were not prepubescent, there for they were not pedophiles. in any case, there were plenty of teen victims, as well. it's not clear why abusing a 13-year-old is different than an 11-year-old. it's a crime in any case. the church they say covers up and has a credibility problem. in philadelphia, you're looking at protesters that took to the streets after a grand jury investigation revealed that 37 priests with "substantial evidence of abuse have been kept in assignments that expose them to kids." some have since been placed on administrative leave. and the vatican ordered bishops to draft new guidelines on predatory priests but fails to put sanctions on bishops who don't follow the rules. joining us now is founder of the group "road to recovery" and is currently a priest. this report basically embraces what some are calling the blame woodstock explanation. the priests were unprepared to deal with the social and sexual up heaval of the '60s and '70s. do you buy that? >> it's absolutely absurd, anderson. the fact that the catholic church is going to blame a sociological phenomena on the internal cover up, deception and absolute massive serial abuse of children is absurd. and i'm -- shame on john j. college in an attempt to help the catholic church continue this coverup and deception. and i'm surprised that a noted university would do such a thing. >> do you find it strange that they use prepubescent child as only 10 or below, so only 5% of the priests involved were not pedophiles. but if you use the standard definition which is 13 and below, the numbers skyrocket. >> i'm not going to use any numbers that the church uses or gives. the american psychiatric association says a pubescent child is somebody 13 and under. and a post pubescent child is someone over 13. it doesn't matter. anybody who abuses a child under the age of 18, in my book, and in the book of the fbi, ken laning, who was the fbi supervisor of sex crimes, says anyone who abuses a child under 18 is a pedophile. >> the other thing is this report seems to kind of say that these cases exploded in the '60s and '70s. i'm not sure that's true. we know about them a lot more from the '60s and '70s because the people who were kids then have been able to break the silence and come forward. but this kind of abuse probably has gone on for decades in the church long before the '60s and '70s. >> not decades, centuries. unless we do a complete study of the church from the early days of the church when people were writing about pedophilia and the abuse of children, we have to take a longer view of this. the '40s and '50s, the priests who abused in the '50s, are they going to say they were influenced by sputnik? are they going to blame the '40s abusers on world war ii? >> there are some who continue to blame gay priests, this is something about homosexuality. what do you think about that? >> thankfully, this report has hopefully put that to rest. homosexuals do not abuse children, as heterosexuals do not abuse children. but the fact that many in the church blame this on homosexuals is unjust. and it just adds to the arrogance of the way the church approaches the treatment of people that they seem to want to marginalize. >> do you think the crisis is over? the church has paid out a lot of claims and have new rules and procedures. what have you seen? >> the crisis is not over. we're still in it. i get two to six calls a week from new victims. the victims from the '90s are beginning to come out. what we know, most people can't even begin to deal with this until their 30s, 40s, maybe even 50s. we have people in their 80s coming forward. the structures of the church essentially have not changed. >> is that what you blame -- why -- in the report, the church is saying, look, there is abuse in schools, the boy scouts. we're no different. do you think there is something different and what do you think is the cause of this? >> absolutely. the boy scouts and the schools and all other institutions deal with this. the church has not dealt with it. they've covered it up. they've secreted it. and they have put it on the back burner so that the image of the church, which is to be defended at all costs, is the most important thing. that the bishops consider at this time. >> you really believe that, you think they care more about the image? >> absolutely. that seems to be very clear in the latest philadelphia grand jury report just a few months ago, seth williams, the philadelphia d.a., said that. they said they were more interested in protecting the church than helping children abused. >> what do you want to see happen now? >> we need a massive restructures of the catholic church. the monarchy has to be dismantled. the hierarchy has to go. and the faithful have to reclaim their church. we are not going to see any change unless these massive overhauls take place. >> father richard, i appreciate your perspective. >> thank you. coming up, an update on congresswoman gabrielle giffords's recovery. she had surgery on her skull. dr. sanjay gupta is going to join us and show you the procedure of how they take off part of the skull. it's something that sanjay does. he is a neuro surgeon. he's going to show you how it works in the operating room. and later, new revelations about arnold schwarzenegger's -- well, the woman he had a child with. and maria shriver making an appearance in chicago. all that ahead. ♪ [ male announcer ] every day thousands of people are switching from tylenol® to advil. here's one story. my name is tanya and i am from chicago. i'm a mom of 3 daughters. pan can really put a kink in my day and i turn into grouchy mommy. i used to take tylenol and now i take advil and i like it. it's fast and it's reliable. my family needs me and i need to be there for my family. 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