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CNNW Anderson Cooper 360 May 27, 2011



good evening. breaking news tonight in the search for victims in the joplin tornado. first, though, i want to show you some remarkable new video showing the initial moments after the tornado struck, video captured by a couple racing to find a family member, a brother looking for his sister through a neighborhood which after the tornado they barely even recognized. >> oh, look at this. oh, my gosh. oh, my gosh. oh, my gosh, aaron. oh, my gosh. >> it went right through here. i don't know where we are. >> i don't know where to go. >> we got to keep going this way. don't step on any of this. come on. >> i feel like i need to help if someone is hurt. >> we'll keep asking. look at this house. come on. >> you guys okay? >> yeah. >> oh, my gosh! look at these houses, babe. >> you guys okay? >> yes. >> what street is this? >> i don't know. >> oh, babe, look. >> what? >> oh, no. it's the hospital. >> it was the hospital. show you more of that video. imagine you don't even recognize the community you're living in because everything is so destroyed. they went to find her sister, sarah. we're going to play you the rest of the video after the break. you'll really want to see how it ends. last night, the governor of missouri said there would be changes in the search for the missing. today we saw the start of those changes. the state took over a large portion of the disaster response. releasing the official roster of people missing or unaccounted for. i have the roster right here. remember for days we've been saying 1,500 unaccounted for based on a local official statement days ago. today after working all night, the state got that number down to 232 people unaccounted for. 232. but even officials concede the but even officials concede the list contains errors. lantz hare is on it twice. under his first and middle names, those errors are obviously easy to correct. what's proving more difficult is the situation at the morgue in joplin and the process for identifies the dead. you remember we spoke to lantz hare's dad, mike, who has been searching for days for his son, searching and continually calling his son's cell phone. >> i started calling him and still never got anything. i called it all last night. >> you're still calling his number? >> i can't stop. i don't know why. i sat up until like 2:00 last night and that's all i did. >> called his cell phone. does it ring? >> it rang for the first day and a half, and now it goes straight to voice mail. but just in case he gets it, i want him to know his dad loves him. >> today, the family got word unofficial at first that lantz is dead. it turns out he's been in the morgue all along. his family got word through a friend in law enforcement who had access to the morgue. as a favor, he went there looking for lantz. if the friend hadn't done that, it's likely the family would not know where he is. we also learned of a 16-month-old skyular logsdon today. we told you his story. it turns out he's been in the morgue all this time, too. his family only found out late yesterday only because of a friend of a friend showed them morgue photos of the body of a small child they thought might be skyular, and in fact it was. both families are heart broken but at least they know, they know where their child is. what's frustrating, however, to other families is that both found out about their kids unofficially by back channels. other families said to us, why can't their families have someone visit the morgue and check for their loved ones? of course, some identifications can only be made by dna, but some will be recognizable. we want the make it clear, every official that we met in joplin has been working incredibly hard and trying to do the right thing under very, very difficult circumstances. but some of the explanations for the delays and the red tape and the rules haven't made much sense to people searching for their loved ones and some people in joplin continue to be frustrated. tonight, the breaking news is that the local coroner tells cnn that starting tomorrow, some people under some circumstances will be allowed into the morgue to view remains. gary tuchman is in joplin tonight with the latest. gary, what are you hearing now? the state of missouri took charge of this missing person's list today. what do we now know about people's access to go to the morgue? >> reporter: right now, as of this moment, they have no access to go to the morgue. that may change tomorrow. more on that in a second. you said it yourself, anderson, people are working very hard here. but what we've seen in this disaster is an unusual amount of a lack of compassion and common sense among many of the people here. and the case in point is the 16-month-old boy. his family is frantic. he's missing for three days. i interviewed his father just yesterday. his father in a hospital bed, he was seriously injured in the tornado. his son was with him. he was convinced his son was still alive. he was saying, i know he's alive. i just want to get into the morgue, or get some pictures so we know for sure. but they wouldn't let them in the morgue. two hours after i interviewed his father, a friend of a friend got them access to two pictures of toddlers in the morgue. one of the pictures was of their son skyular. they still haven't found out officially. so they're 95% sure he passed away, but not 100%, because they can't get in the morgue as of yet. so the coroner does say, starting tomorrow, people, some people will be able to go into the morgue. but it's not clear if that will happen because we're not sure where the governor stands on the issue. >> we're going to talk to the governor. i asked him this a couple of times. this just broke as we were interviewing the governor, so we'll show you his reaction and try to get the latest information. last night the governor said he would do something about the problems we've been seeing with people, with the slow access, with kind of disorganization. it does seem like he has delivered on that promise. i mean, within a few hours of getting new people in there to take over, they suddenly got this list down to 232. >> reporter: right. the governor is working hard. he's doing some good work. but i can tell you it's much lower, because we saw family of five on the list. we wanted to go to their house. how could a family of five be missing? the house wasn't badly damaged. we talked to neighbors who say the family is fine, they're just in another town right now. so we know that number will go lower. we can tell you about some strange things going on here. the morgue, where these bodies are right now, is a secret morgue, and it is secret. you call up officials and say can you tell us where the morgue is, they say it's a secret, we can't tell you. we had to do some investigating, because we wanted to ask questions as to what is going on and what happened to this little boy. and so we found the morgue after some investigating and i want to show you this strange encounter we had on a public road with law enforcement officials that felt like we were crossing an international border without a passport. >> guys, what are you doing? >> we're with cnn. we're trying to find out where the morgue is. >> you guys got any cameras? >> yes, we do. >> they need to be secured this the back of your vehicle. >> why is that? >> because we have orders from our lieutenant to do that. >> to do what? >> to secure the cameras. >> is there secret activity going on here? >> you can't be around here is all. >> why? >> this is private property. you're in the middle of the road, you're a danger to yourself. as you can see, there's a vehicle behind you. take your cameras and put them in the back of the vehicle. >> we want to find out a baby in the morgue. >> is he shooting back there? take that camera and put it in the back of your car. >> go ahead and go. >> don't come back. >> he told us "don't come back." the police officer opened our door and i was afraid he was going to arrest our cameraman. that's when he turned off the camera. we don't usually hear that from the good guys in the blue. >> i understand why they're concerned about people going to this morgue and creating drama. i want to play for our viewers what the coroner said on eliot spitzer's show earlier tonight, just to get a sense for people who may be listening. and may be thinking can i go to the morgue. let's play what the coroner said. >> i just stepped out of a meeting at missouri southern state university with a group of family members, and they expressed their concerns of just the concerns i've listened to tonight, and the decision was made if a person can make a positive i.d. with let's say for instance piercings or tattoos, a lot of people told us they would have a specific tattoo that nobody else would have, tomorrow we're going to start the process of allowing those people to view the bodies of the loved ones if we can make a positive i.d., we're going to go ahead and release those bodies. >> so that's what the coroner said to eliot spitzer. gary, i guess we're going to have to wait and see tomorrow what exactly the situation is. as you know, gary, i talked to the governor while that conversation was airing on his show. i was speaking to the governor in a pretaped interview. when we spoke last night, he promised action. we point out a lot when politicians don't deliver on their promises, but we also believe in pointing out when they do. the governor has delivered. the state's department of public safety has taken over the search for the missing. the governor ordered in some 20 or so officers to get things organized and sorted out. and it took them just a couple hours to whittle down the estimated 1,500 unaccounted to a list of 232 people. so i spoke to him a short time ago and asked him how that effort is going and also about these frustrations about what we've been hearing about the situation in the morgue. governor, last night you said your administration was going to take more direct control. it already has. just this morning, you guys basically have taken over the effort, the state has taken over the effort to locate the missing. the actual number of missing has been reduced from 1,500. so clearly there's already changes afoot. what's the latest from your vantage point? >> we did see that challenge, that list of 1,300 was out there from a myriad of sources. we took control of that and brought folks in, they got that down to 232. this evening, had a meeting with all of those families to go through the processes of the necessary identification. our goal is obviously to get the zero, move down off 232 to zero. unfortunately, some of those stories are going to be very sad. but the bottom line is we have made significant progress today towards taking away that uncertainty and we're working all day and all night to finish that task. >> you do know this list of 232 obviously some of these people are going to be alive. according to the a.p., the first person on the list, sally adams, is actually alive, they've confirmed this. she was in an article that she survived the storm. so this 232 number, you're going to quickly try to whittle that down even more? >> absolutely. we had over a dozen folks able to get off that list late this morning. that's good news when you can find folks, that they're unaccounted for, and we got these facts out publicly. we want to whittle that down. but there's also some very, very sad stories on that list. we expect some of those folks to be found in a condition that's no longer living. >> we're still hearing a lot of anger about the situation in the morgue. gary tuchman, our correspondent, just reported on a family member who's been shown a picture of her 16-month-old nephew, deceased. for days, the family hasn't known whether he was alive or not. turns out skyular is in the morgue. she was shown that picture through unofficial channels, yet she and her family have not been allowed in to see the body and receive actual confirmation that little skyular is in fact dead. how is that possible? >> that's one of the reasons we moved to have all 232 of the folks that were missing, the folks that have made those reports in a private meeting with the folks at the morgue. but it's also important to note that this was an incredible storm, and this is not a series of bodies lying in a row that are easily identifiable. there are pieces of folks. there are very, very difficult scenes. it's not as easy as walking down a row and being able to instantly identify. the dna matches, unfortunately a significant number are going to be necessary to confirm that. that takes a little while. it's a reality of a storm of this magnitude that's done this level of damage. >> but grant it that no doubt about it, and obviously one wants to wait for dna, but in the meantime, they've been saying that might take two weeks. it doesn't seem reasonable to expect a grieving family to just be told to sit on their hands for two weeks. there are plenty of family members who would be willing to take on the onerous task of walking down that row and even if the sights are horrible, i know plenty of family members who want that opportunity very badly. >> well, as i said before, when we got a sense yesterday that the information wasn't moving quickly enough, we came in and took over that operation and seen a dramatic shift today, going from an up known list of 232 to a list of 232 confirmed folks and moving off that number already today, setting up and having a meeting with the morgue, with all of these families to go through that process. >> but it does seem like families who are lucky enough to have a friend in law enforcement who is able to get into the morgue, like lantz hare, his father has been on my program weeping, he was spending what money he could to drive to springfield to look into a hospital there. turns out his son has been dead in the morgue this whole time, and a family friend, who is a law enforcement officer, was able to get in and see that it was in fact lantz because he knows the boy well and he told the family that their son is in fact dead and in the morgue. and still there's been no official confirmation of that. that just doesn't seem right that a family that luckily enough has a connection is able to find information and get confirmation and a family that doesn't has to wait two weeks. isn't there some way to speed this up and not just have it be relying on dna to allow families access? >> this has been an unmistakable tragedy, almost unimaginable for this community. it's ripped apart families in so many ways. as i said before, when we got the sense there was challenges yesterday morning, we acted and moved to accelerate dramatically the process. and it's hard to say we had a good day when you're identifying remains of folks that have been killed. i don't mean in any way, shape or form to show a lock of sensitivity. as i said to you, anderson, right here in joplin yesterday, i think you'll see a significant change. when folks got up this morning, they saw a focused effort towards getting that information out. there's no desire to hide this vital information from these folks in any way, shape or form and we're pressing with the resources we have and additional resources to make sure that we get that information out as quickly as possible. >> i understand the local coroner just told cnn tonight that beginning tomorrow people will be able to get into the morgues and identify bodies. can you confirm that? will you support that? >> we're going to continue to move that number down and continue to move forward. there are some very difficult moments ahead for this community. and it's a very difficult process. and i just want everybody to know that the folks that we've got in there are working as quickly as they can to be sure and to get that information out to those families that are so in need. >> i'm just not clear. again, i don't want to push you on this, but i'm not clear. does that mean you -- if in fact the coroner has said people can go, you would support that or you're not sure at this time and you need to check with him and get back to us? >> i don't need to check with anybody. i know that there's people as this process has moved forward have had access and will continue to have access. that being said, as the day has moved on, more people have had access to the process. more people have gotten direct notification. but we believe that those people deserve notification first, not by the governor talking on cnn. we're dealing with families here and the lives of people. i'm going to continue to move a process that focuses on the personal rights and liberties of those individuals and get that information out as quickly as i can. >> i think i got the answer on that. i appreciate your time. it's been a long day for you. i appreciate you taking the time to talk to us. >> thank you very much. up next, some of the video we showed you earlier taken moments after the tornado hit. a brother searches for his sister. >> sarah, mike! sarah, mike! >> mike, sarah! >> we'll show you how the video ended. you don't want to miss it. later, new allegations against the gadhafi regime. this is a disturbing story. it's stunning, not perhaps surprising. but according to some confirmed reports and some video evidence that a reporter has seen in misurata, his troops are engaging in systematic rape. mass rape. we're going to talk to one of the few correspondents still on the ground in misurata who has seen the video. video that stunned her. we'll be right back. 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[ female announcer ] new purifying facial cleanser from the new line of neutrogena naturals. breaking news tonight. the coroner handling fatalities from the joplin tornado says that certain people with missing family members will be allowed in to make positive identification if they know of specific tattoos or other unique markings on the body of their loved one. we showed you video taken moments after the tornado struck, video unlike anything we've seen. a couple, brook mckenzie and aaron cox searching for aaron's sister in a neighborhood that was a neighborhood in name only. take a look. >> look at all this. >> you guys okay? >> are you guys okay? >> yeah. >> holy crap! >> they raced to the home of aaron's sister, sarah. a tree across the street was burning. sarah's house was badly damaged. look. >> sarah, mike! >> sarah, mike. mike, sarah! >> check the basement. >> sarah, mike? >> mike, sarah? >> you guys down here? >> mike? >> sis? >> sarah? >> mike? >> they must have left. >> i think they're gone. >> kirby, kirby. >> kirby jean. [ whistling ] >> they must have took kirby with them. come on. they're not in the basement? >> no, i don't think so. sarah, mike! >> they're not down there. you went down there? >> yeah. you can't really see anything, though. >> kirby is sarah's cat. brook and aaron did not find sarah at home, but they did find sarah. aaron and sarah join me now. very nice to see both of you together. can you guys hear me? this is anderson. >> one, two, three, four. >> yes, sir. >> aaron

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