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its, they post subjects that interest them. someone called jail bait. just let that sink in for just a moment jail bait. here it is. it is what you see after you click yes to the question, are you 18 or older? no other verification needed, just click yes. the presumption, at least is nip viewing this page is an adult. girls in the images though, which we have blurred, are not. and in case you were unclear about what the group's about, they have got a helpful molt toe at the top left, "keep a teen off the streets," it reads, "put her in your van." over on the right there is a blurb welcome to the file, sub read it, an afeeble ba file is someone with a sexual preference for adolescent he is. below the link is a list of moderators, violent akrez and i am an anonymous coward, darkman x and religion of peace. needless to say not the real names, not even i am an anonymous coward. understandable when you are the organizers or administrators of online community set up ex-priestly for grownups to look at photos of teen aimers in bathing suits and underwear and post creepy comments to them. not showing the photos tonight but some of the headlines give you a good idea what is posted and y hot one of the headlines, teams at the beach having fun with herself. at this point, you might be asking where these images comes from and who gives permission to post them. accept a there's no way of knowing. read it publishes a long list of rules for the service including don't use the word breaking, all caps, rude or correct someone's banner it doesn't say don't take some kid's facebook photo or don't put your girlfriend's bikini shots online, doesn't say anything like that rule number one on read it on the list is don't post someone's personal inform organization post links to personal information that can be read two ways, don't violate someone's private vastcy by posting their name or use the photo, just don't let anyone know where you got it from. violators can be banned for breaking the rule but not posting smarmy photographs. read it is up interested in stopping them even though it boasts on the corporate blog the good it is doing for the world. >> here is entry from september 6th after split offing from conde nast. they wrote, read it has potential it the next generation to positively impact journalism, civic engagement, fund raising, product development and learning. we, of course, wanted to know how reddit and their current parent squares postings with those high-minded words about journalism and civic engagement and learning. we called the president about it and he actually sits on the board of reddit. neither he or advanced publications wanted to comment and instead directed us to reddit general manager, eric marden. he told us, quote, we're a free speech site and the cost of that is there is stuff that's offensive on there. he says reddit as a platform, not an editorial site. he said, once we start taking down some things we find offensive, then we're no longer a free speech site and platform for everyone. in addition to jailbait, there's a reddit community called asian jailbait and one where you can see photos of dead bodies, adults and children. with me now is senior legal analyst jeffrey toobin, who we should point out works for the "new yorker" magazine, also sunny hostin, legal contributor, an "in session" on trutv. is this legal, jeff? >> as far as i can tell. i do work there. i hadn't heard of reddit until today. i didn't see anything illegal. the pictures of the girls, it's hard to tell how old they are. many of them are clearly older than 16, 17, 18. some of them are probably younger. but all of them are clothed. i don't think there's any issue of kiddie porn, any issue of illegality. is it in good taste? is it appropriate for this or any company to be involved? that's a very different question. >> is it okay, sunny -- do you agree with jeff? >> i'm going to disagree with him, actually. i think it's borderline kiddie porn. it's very close to the line. and the bottom line is that the first amendment doesn't protect child porn. so, they are really straddling that line. also, even if they aren't, don't we want them to be good corporate citizens? what happened to decency? what happened to decency? what happened to corporations doing the right thing? why would you have a website that sexualizes young girls? i looked at a lot of the pictures and i thought they were very, very close to the child porn line. >> if some of these photos are just taken off somebody's facebook page, they don't even know their photo has been taken, as long as they're not using their name, that's legal? >> it's possibly a civil tort, it's possibly something that the person whose photo was stolen might be able to sue. it would be very complicate, very difficult, i doubt such a lawsuit would ever take place. but, again, i don't think that's a crime. one thing that the president of the company said that was quite interesting and wrong, i think, is that they are a first amendment site, a freedom of speech site. >> right. >> that's not true. >> no. >> the phone is a common carrier. you know, if i say something terrible to you on the phone, you can sue me. you can't sue the phone company. a website is different. a website automatically exercises some control. you can see they have rules there. so, the idea that they have no control over their posters, that's simply wrong. >> and i think we're all sort of tired of people hiding behind the first amendment. it's so cowardly. yes, the first amendment, it's there for wonderful reasons and some offensive speech is protected. kiddie porn is not protected. again, it really, really straddles that line. >> i was surprised to learn -- i didn't know about the site, but when i heard about it, i assumed that it was just run from some site in eastern europe or some, you know, guy in his basement or living in his mom's house and doing this out of his basement. but to know that this is, was under conde nast label and now advanced publication, it's amazing a big corporation would have something like this which reflects badly on it. >> it certainly was amazing to me. i was unfamiliar with it. but, you know, a lot of companies want to get involved in the internet. it's obviously a growth part of the business. and there are big parts of reddit that have nothing to do with sex or inappropriate things. unfortunately, it's like saying, look at all the banks i didn't rob. >> the companies need to do something and stand up, be good corporate citizens and say, i don't want to be affiliated with a site like this. i mean, there are pictures of dead babies on that site. there are pictures that pedophiles -- >> pictures just of dead people. >> yes. pedophiles are trolling those websites and they're getting off on it. and i think something has to be done about it. >> we'll continue to follow it. sunny, appreciate it. jeff toobin as well. let us know what you think. we are on facebook, twitter #andersoncooper. up next, herman cain's controversial statement about why african-americans vote democrat and his jump in the polls. later, the michael jackson death trial, damaging testimony about what dr. conrad murray was doing as michael jackson lay dead or dying. first, let's check in with isha sesay. isha? 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>> i think running third behind perry and romney is a terribly important battle, because i think it is very possible one of the two front-runners is going to stumble. therefore, whoever is in third will move up to second. it could be cain, could be santorum. it's important to keep your eye on it. when you watch cain in the debates, what gets through is he comes through as so sensible, so direct spoken, so strong. and the reforms that he proposes are structural. no tinkering in the margins. he really wants to change washington and i think that from a ceo, has a lot of appeal to republican primary voters. >> cornell, cain also told wolf he could take a third of african-american votes. he says he's basing that on anecdotal evidence. is there any polling that could help make that case? >> first of all, do you think you're going to invite me on the show and then i'm not going to talk about the ridiculousness of that statement? two things. one is a great way to get people on your side and win voters is to attack their intelligence. great job there. real sensible, herman cain. the second part is, it's really a teachable moment. you know, if i came on your show anderson and said, all jewish people are brainwashed, i probably wouldn't be invited back to cnn, and i assure you, the condemnation would be swift and it would be powerful and it would be strong. what herman cain said was a racist, bigoted statement and it should treated like a racist and bigoted person who makes racist and biggoted statements. >> ari, what about that, saying black people have been brainwashed, how does that language play? >> anderson, i'm not even going there. anderson, i'm not even going there. i'll leave that alone. i think the downside to the herman cain candidacy are probably twofold. one, it's a catch-22 for him. he can't win because people think he can't win. if he continues and is just persistent and works the way he has been working and able to break through, he'll get through the hardest barrier, which is credibility because people don't think he can do it. that just comes from plugging ahead. the other is something i'm more focused on, is he's never been in government before. while it's attractive on one hand, having worked in the white house, you really need someone who knows how to do things with congress, get them where you want them to go. i wish he had been a successful governor. i wish he was a one-term or two-term governor. if he was, i would predict he could be the front-runner or also the front-runner in the republican race right now. >> you know, no, i'm all-in on this one. ari, if he had come on and said all jewish people are brainwashed, you would leave that alone? you wouldn't touch that at all, but it's different if he says that about african-americans? why aren't you taking this? >> i'm not taking into racial politics. >> he's number three right now in the polls and he's getting into racial politics. >> pick your fight with herman cain. >> the fight is not with me. i actually consider you a friend. i'm -- >> don't pick a fight with me. >> i actually consider you a friend. i'm not fighting you. i can't believe there's no condemnation about such a bigoted statement. >> cornell, let me just ask you, are you sure it's racist? i mean, don't plenty of people make the same comment, well, this group is brainwashed? >> what is the definition of "racism" or "bigotry"? it is, in fact, putting a blank statement on a whole group of people. and, again, anderson, i guarantee if i came on your program and i said all jewish people were brainwashed, you wouldn't invite me back on cnn. i'm sure of that. there's a double standard here. this is a teachable moment. >> don't people often say, well, liberals think this or people make vast statements about groups all the time. >> well -- >> independent voters think this or -- >> well, liberals didn't have a history of jim crowe or slavery, so it's different. >> i'm not arguing with you. i'm interested in your perspective. so, that's why i'm just kind of probing around the edges. >> it's not arguing. i'm trying to it look at this as a teachable moment because clearly there's a double standard going on. to me, and it's outrageous. >> do you think -- how do you think his statement -- herman cain's statement, are you surprised it hasn't gotten the reaction that you've had? certainly, it's raised a lot of eyebrows, a lot of people are talking about it. >> that's my point. in all due respect, if he had came on the network and said all jewish people are brainwashed, it would have been top of the news and the condemnation would have come from all sides, including my friend ari fleisher. so, my only point about this is you can't play the double standard in politics. >> anderson, let me jump in. i'm not going to dwell on this topic, but remember the question was about people being poisoned in the party. there's a presumption in the question also that just flows from the fact that 90% to 95% of african-americans vote a certain way. but when people start throwing the word "racism" around, that's when i end the conversation because you can't have an intelligent conversation when you're choosing people in the public square of that. >> when someone makes a bigoted or racist common, i'm not having a problem calling them a bigot or racist. >> cornell, are you done? cornell, are you done? >> yeah, i'm done. >> "crossfire" i canceled for a reason. let me finish. what's happening in the republican primary right now is this fascinating dynamic where there still is a search under way about who will be the leader of the republican party. and republicans are thirsty for somebody who is really going to change washington. that's my point about why i think republicans are responding so well to herman cain's rhetoric. washington needs to have fundamental changes in the taxes and spending. when you have career politicians saying i'm going to do a little less of what was done before, it doesn't resonate. herman cain has that outside perspective, he has the downsides, like i said, but i think he's somebody who has a good chance to end up in that third slot and nobody knows what can happen from there. >> cornell, what do you -- herman cain's other point, beyond his use of the term "brainwashing," about african-americans in large numbers voting for democrats, his point being -- i won't try to make his point really. it's clear that african-americans have traditionally voted democratic. to what do you attribute that? >> historically, you know, african-americans overwhelmingly voted republican when they could vote. you've got to understand that african-americans make policy decisions and change using reason, it's not about brainwashing. you know, there was still -- would it -- if i said that 70% of whites in the south vote republican, are they brainwashed? no. i think they're making a logical decision based on their values and their issue positioning. and when you say a group of voters aren't making that same sort of rational thing, yeah, i think i'm right in sort of calling that crap out. >> do you think he should apologize for that? >> you know, i don't look for an apology from him, because i don't think he has that sensitivity or even intellect to understand that. i think it's amusing he's number three in the polls. quite frankly, i think -- he's not going to win south carolina. he's not going to win iowa and not going to win new hampshire. and if you don't come in second or first in one of those early states, you're not going to be the nominee for the republican party. >> do you think, cornell, that he is bigoted or that he is racist, or was it just the statement in your opinion racist and inappropriate? >> well, i don't know anderson. when people are using bigoted statements, are they bigots? >> you know, anderson, that's why i was making my point there. there are voter blocs in this country who decide overwhelmingly to vote one way or another. i don't see why somebody is being racist when they say very vote overwhelmingly as a bloc and he used the word brainwashed. white southerners vote overwhelmingly in one direction. i don't think that's a racist thing, one way or another. the word "brainwash" has the connotation of what mitt romney's father said in michigan some 40 or 50 years ago. 40 years ago. i think that's why it also raised alarms. but clearly there are blocs in this country who vote the way they do. that's been a historical pattern up and down every demographic strata you can divide the electorate over. that's part of america. always has been. >> cornell? >> if you say that, that's fine. but when you say that people are brainwashed, a certain racial group is brainwashed for doing that, that's the problem. >> interesting discussion. cornell, appreciate it. >> but it's not racist. >> it's bigoted. if someone is making bigoted statements, yeah, i got no problem calling them a racist or a bigot. >> guys, interesting discussion. appreciate you having it, cornell belcher, ari fleisher, thank you. programming note, we're announcing the arizona republican party and cnn will co-host a gop presidential debate december 1st in arizona, october 18th in las vegas, 8:00 p.m. eastern, right here on cnn. let's see if herman cain gets questions on that. still ahead, an exclusive look inside the italian prison where amanda knox has spent the last four years. also, testimony from michael jackson's doctor's trial. new details about paris jackson's heartbreaking reaction to seeing her father the day he died. an accident doesn't have to slow you down. with better car replacement available only with liberty mutual auto insurance, if your car's totaled, we give you the money for a car one model year newer. to learn more

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