the latest. you've learned some information about the alleged shooter and it concerns his psychiatrist actually had about him. >> anderson in the first ten days of june, i'll give you a number of things that were going on to set the scene. on june 7th the suspect was to take an exam. he took this oral exam, it was a preliminary oral exam, and he didn't do well on it at all. secondly, he had to find a mentor. we're told it was unclear he could find a mentor. on the 7th, the same day that he basically failed the test, he went out in the afternoon and bought a ar 15 assault rifle. it was in that afternoon that we know that he was around that period he was certainly talking to his psychiatrist, dr. fenton. we don't know what those conversations were, but we know during that period, something that he said to his psychiatrist caused her to contact the university of colorado threat assessment team. now, that threat assessment team was formed in part with her help and she's on that team. so she's a member, she helped form the team. she contacted several of her colleagues on that team. we don't know what she told them, we don't know what triggered her to call them. but they decided after a day or so not to convene. and the reason was because three days after he failed that test and bought that a.r. 15 on the 10th of june, he dropped out of school. they then thought, the team thought, we're told by our sources, the team thought they had no jurisdiction, they had no control over him, so there was ng they could do, vis-a-vis this concern that she had. we don't know what the concern was. what we do know is is that no one through our sources and through our reporting, we have been told no one contacted the aurora police department with any of these concerns. >> that's really interesting and this is all new information that we're really just learning now. so certainly whatever he had said allegedly said to his psychiatrist raised enough red flags that she became concerned, contacted other members of this threat assessment team, but because he dropped out of the program, you're saying, they never actually formally intervened or formally got together to discuss him? >> that's correct. our reporting through our sources says that essentially in the process of considering what, you know, dr. fenton was telling them, at that point during that period of time, he dropped out of school. they then thought well, he's not a student anymore. we're the threat assessment team for the university of colorado. there's not much we can do. we don't have jurisdiction or what do we do? he's not coming here anymore. as a matter of fact two days later after the 10th, his access card was cut off, he couldn't get back into the labs where he was, woulding. but anderson be clear on this. we don't know what was said so we don't know the level of threat or the level of concern. and was that level to the level that would have been necessarily have been reportable to police? >> right. >> as you know across the country, there are obviously different rules in different states. but if you're here and this is where we need to be to report to police, we don't know if that call to the threat assessment team might have been here about something down here. we don't have any idea about that. so we can't really say whether she mishandled it or she handled it properly. >> we may not know this information and if we don't we can move on. but do we know, was she actually seeing him as a patient or just in a classroom setting? and if she was seeing him as a patient, do we know for how long? >> well, at this point our reporting tells us that she had been seeing him for several weeks as a patient. and that's also borne out by court documents, public crt documents that we found. on her website, on her resume page, we see that she routinely handles between ten and 15 patients of her own at cu. so he may very well have been one of those patients. we don't know how long he had been seeing her. we know it was certainly several weeks and it was in this period of the first ten days of june is when she finally got this kind of inkling that something might be a problem. >> stick around. i want to bring in practicing psychiatrist dr. drew, also brett, the executive of the. mr. sock low, give us your take on what we just now learned the limited information that we have. >> sure, anderson. well, based on what i'm hearing so far and the reading i'm seeing on the coverage, it seems like there's an appropriate flow of information going on within the university. that if holmes was concerning through dr. fenton, that she communicate that information to the behavioral intervention team on campus. you've already talked about, there's a threshold for when a psychiatrist can reveal that information. but information flows both ways with these teams. it may be that someone brought information to the team about holmes and fenton was on the team, or maybe fenton brought information to the team about holmes which would then apply that there was a threshold of threatening behavior that was imminent and she felt the need to alert the team to that. >> dr. drew what do you make of this? the question i have what responsibility does a school have if a student has actually left the school, is there anything they can really do? >> the psychiatrist again, to reframe your intro to myself, i'm a physician addiction ol gist. but the psychiatrists themselves would have obligation for follow through and referral. they would absolutely have to continue seeing that patient until the care was terminated or transfer to somebody else. as you see here very clearly this patient did not reach the threshold for a 72-hour hold where a people are an imminent threat to, or to violate hipaa laws to contact police because of belief there was imminent danger. she did do the appropriate thing of calling the threat assessment team. the question then becomes though each and every threat assessment team at every university has to make their own guidelines, at least by my understanding, based on their own ethical legal obligations of that particular community. >> obviously doctors walk a fine line here in terms of patient confidentiality. but you're saying dr. drew, a doctor could put a 72-hour hold on a patient if they feel they are an immediate danger? >> yes. she would have an absolute obligation to do that. i could pretty much guarantee you there was not sufficient evidence that should have happened or where people are ruminating about specific harm to specific people where you notify people that's a potential to protect themselves. she did what was taupt in that community which was to notify threat assessment. >> mr. sokolow, i think i read in "usa today" just a short time ago that many colleges have threat assessment teams. is it really that wide spread? >> it absolutely is. it became clear after the shootings at virginia tech that it was the most effective preventative to bring a team together to help to assess these risks. every person who threatens this kind of violence almost always engages in what's called leakage is dropping of crumbs before they act. they give includes. in any college community we pick up on the clues. the team takes the appropriate action. it's becoming incredibly commonplace. >> dr. drew, is a psychiatrist, if a patient is a college student, do they have any obligation or ability to tell that person's parents, or because the person is over the age of 18, are they not allowed to? >> again, this depends on the level of threat, the level of imminent harm. and it depends on the institution. some institutions, the hipaa laws that the rest of us are protected by aren't as stringently applied. it's actually a very complicated, looking at it from the outside in, it looks terribly complicated to navigate through the system and each system is different. >> john, in terms of, and again, we may not know this in terms of reporting. is this the same psychiatrist that the suspect allegedly sent a notebook or a packet to with some disturbing details? it? >> yeah, that's correct. that is the same package that police recovered. it was sent to doctor fen town. one thing i wanted to add here about something we don't know, anderson. i think it's important that we mention this. we don't know, if even though on one side that the threat assessment team didn't follow through or didn't meet or didn't think it could. on the other side, we really don't know what happened with dr. fenton and the suspect. did she meet with him after he left the school on a private basis? did she refer him to some other psychiatrist as one of your guests just said. those are things we don't know. so it's very difficult to make an assessment as to whether, you know, exactly to say that she handled this correctly or not. she may have handled it very correctly. we simply don't have those answers. >> that's important to point out. the fact that she raised red flags that is certainly a good indication of taking the right steps and i think dr. drew agrees with that. i appreciate you all joining us, john, brett sokolow and dr. drew. legality us know what you they follow us on twitter. we also have more breaking news tonight out of syria. disturbing knew evidence the up rising has entered a whole new phase where revenge not just liberation is a goal. a you see us, at the start of the day. on the company phone list that's a few names longer. you see us bank on busier highways. on once empty fields. everyday you see all the ways all of us at us bank are helping grow our economy. lending more so companies and communities can expand, grow stronger and get back to work. everyday you see all of us serving you, around the country, around the corner. us bank. ♪ i want to go ♪ i want to win [ breathes deeply ] ♪ this is where the dream begins ♪ ♪ i want to grow ♪ i want to try ♪ i can almost touch the sky [ male announcer ] even the planet has an olympic dream. dow is proud to support that dream by helping provide greener, more sustainable solutions from the olympic village to the stadium. solutionism. the new optimism.™ ♪ this dream by what's getting done. measure commitment solutionism. the new optimism.™ the twenty billion dollars bp committed has helped fund economic and environmental recovery. long-term, bp's made a five hundred million dollar commitment to support scientists studying the environment. and the gulf is open for business - the beaches are beautiful, the seafood is delicious. last year, many areas even reported record tourism seasons. the progress continues... but that doesn't mean our job is done. we're still committed to seeing this through. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 there are atm fees. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 account service fees. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 and the most dreaded fees of all, hidden fees. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 at charles schwab, you won't pay fees on top of fees. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 no monthly account service fees. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 no hidden fees. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 and we rebate every atm fee. tdd# 1-800-345-2550 so talk to chuck tdd# 1-800-345-2550 because when it comes to talking, there is no fee. more breaking news tonight shlgs late word that president obama. two u.s. officials tell us the president has signed what's called an intelligence finding letting things out. when is he signed that is not known. nor do we know the exact contents. we do know that it gives the cia and other american agencies pefrlgs to provide covert support to oust assad. the dictator has not been seen in public for weeks. today he put out a statement blaming the war on criminal gangs. take a look at aleppo today. >> this kind of war on cities all across syria have now taken an estimated 17,000 to 20,000 lives. mostly civilian, many of children. the children tortured and their bodies returned to the families as a warning t all of that killing later, opposition fighters are said to be gaining ground in some places, in some locations holding their own or making headway. but this is not entirely a war of liberation. it is also at times becoming a war of vengeance. i want to show you one such moment. it is not easy to watch. if you would prefer to turn away, we're going to show it to you for about 15 seconds. take a look. >> an act of retribution it seems and it may not be the last one. whoever comes out on top. let's dig zeeper now with two people with experience with presidential intelligence findings. >> how big a deal is this? again, we don't know when this was how big a deal was this and what do you think it means? >> we should assume where we have foreign policy challenges around the world, this is what we have an intelligence committee to do, right? to go in cndestinely to support american policy around the world. it shouldn't be surprising. you talked about 17,000 to 20,000 deaths in syria. the longer you wait to act, you pound out we don't know when it was signed. the longer we wait to act, the longer the radicalized the population becomes. they've been tortured and abused by their own leader and they feel abandoned. so you lead the way for feelings of vengeance -- >> and we've already seen increasing reports of al qaeda or jihadist groups. >> that's right. i must tell you good, if it is true if this is signed and officials have told people here at cnn it is. that's great, but it's little and it's late and we need to do more. whatever we're doing, we need to do much more to bring this to an end, a conclusion so there's a transition. >> bob, do you think this will make a difference in what the opposition is able to accomplish against the regime or is lethal support needed and is that the kind of thing this finding would have? >> well, for a start, more money is going to go to the opposition. the fighters. they're out of money. they've been complaining today, they're not getting enough medicine, weapons, ammunition. they simply need more funding. they're not getting enough from the gulf or turkey or anywhere else. ultimately if this gets very bad, and by the way i completely agree with fran. the longer we let this go on, the more likely we're going to have al qaeda on the ground responding, gathering supporters. but what they need right now is surface-to-air missiles and antitank weapons. they have to stop the bombardments. and one day if it gets really bad, and it could be very soon, we're going to have to switch this to a lethal finding or get the united states military to start supplying these people. >> it's interesting, and you've been a case officer on the ground in a lot of dangerous places. but there are those who say look al qaeda isn't involved or people are going there on what they call a jihad. you see that as a result of not having more international intervention earlier on? >> well, the way i look at it is islam is a default. when things get really bad and people get hungry and desperate, they turn to the kuran. they go from a secular opposition to a religious opposition. let's say in another year, we're going to see al qaeda all over the place. al qaeda is just an idea. it's not an actual military force. it's people are going to be turned to the extreme forces of islam if they feel abandoned. >> fran, do you agree with that? >> i think you have to understand whether it's the p palestinian people, when a government, an institution or international institutions fail a population and they are desperate and abused and tortured, they will turn to who can provide them weapons and food and if that's al qaeda, that's who they'll turn to. >> when i was on the turkish-syrian border a month ago, the members of the free syrian army, they kept saying we keep hearing about communication equipment coming from the u.s. we keep hearing about money and arms coming from saudi arabia and qatar, but we're not seeing it on the ground. i talked to ieven watson who has seen better arments. but it's interesting to me even now they're still short of ammunition, short of weapons and short of medical equipment. >> well, i think everybody was just sort of hoping that assad would fall and there would be a coup and an easy solution to this. i don't think a failure of imagination that this could turn into a full-blown civil war and we would have to come down on one side very quickly, which we didn't do. so yes, anderson, we're coming late to the game. >> i think it's worth noting here. if we're going to only rely on covert action and clan destine activity, we were using treasury sanctionins sanctions, that t's good. we may be using clan destine activity. that's good. but you have to be willing to stand up and lead. you've got to pull together the resources of the arab governments who are willing to tribute, if turkey is willing to be useful on the refugee issue. you have to be willing to stand up with a strategic plan and pull the international community together and that's what's been lacking. >> everyone knows horrible things happen in war on all sides. when you see that video of what appears to be a rebel group, opposition members lining up what they say are regime supporters or soldiers against a wall and just shooting them, unarmed, hands tied behind their back, what do you make of it? >> anderson, this is a conflict, if the assad falls, we're going to be in a position that we need to defend them because it will be a rwanda-like situation where these groups are uncontrollable right now will turn on this minority community. we don't want to see that either. we're not taking sides in a civil war, we're just trying to stop the violence. so it doesn't surprise me at all and it could get a lot worse and i think it will. >> bob baer, i appreciate the expertise. fran thank you as well. the fund raising that michele bachmann is touting, has she made that on the controversy on the comments about hum huma abedin and alleged infiltration into the u.s. government. even under a fantas. the best protection now looks, fits and feels just like underwear. we invite you to get a free sample and try one on too. i've been fortunate to win on golf's biggest stages. but when joint pain and stiffness from psoriatic arthritis hit, even the smallest things became difficult. i finally understood what serious joint pain is like. i talked to my rheumatologist and he prescribed enbrel. enbrel can help relieve pain, stiffness, and stop joint damage. because enbrel, etanercept, suppresses your immune system, it may lower your ability to fight infections. serious, sometimes fatal events including infections, tuberculosis, lymphoma, other cancers, and nervous system and blood disorders have occurred. before starting enbrel, your doctor should test you for tuberculosis and discuss whether you've been to a region where certain fungal infection are common. don't start enbrel if you have an infection like the flu. tell your doctor if you're prone to infections, have cuts or sores, have had hepatitis b, have been treated for heart failure, or if, while on enbrel, you experience persistent fever, bruising, bleeding, or paleness. 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