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people have been killed in two separate attacks in norway. police there say these two attacks are, in fact, linked. still a developing story. we'll have the very latest for you live in just a moment. we need to begin in washington, d.c. with that looming deadline on the nation's debt. you may have missed this last night but it was an extraordinary night in washington, d.c. the president and house speaker john boehner each holding news conferences, calling each other out for the break down in the debt ceiling talks. where are we right now? we talk about the debt ceiling needs to be raised but we actually hit the debt ceiling back in may. we hit the limit. the treasury secretary has been doing interesting math. his ability to move that money around runs out on august 2nd. what demonstrate want to do in order to get a deal on the debt ceiling they want to do away with some tax cuts and loopholes as larger control of this deficit. republicans say that's raising taxes. they say spending cuts are the way to go. they seemed to be close to a deal this week. but then yesterday happened. >> essentially what we had offered speaker boehner was over a trillion dollars in cuts to discretionary spending, both domestic and defense. we then offered additional $650 billion in cuts to entitlement programs. medicare, medicaid, social security. >> it's not in the best interest of our country to raise taxes during this difficult economy and it's not in the best interest of our country to ignore the serious spending challenges that we face. >> even though speaker boehner is the one whoing walked away from the talks he says he will show up to the white house here in just a few hours where the president summoned congressional leaders. we're not talking about negotiations, necessarily, taking place today. it's more so of a bit of a homework assignment that the president gave congressional leaders. >> reporter: this is sort of being called into, t.j., the principal's office and having to explain yourself. we heard president obama say that he wants these congressional leaders, the top democrat and top republican each from the senate and house to come in and explain to him how they are going to increase the debt ceiling. this after these talks collapsed yesterday and to listen to both sides yes it was over tax increases which was a sticking point for so long as many house republicans don't want to accept tax increase. the president moved the goal post that he agreed to $800 billion essentially in revenue and then the white house came back and said, you know what? we want 400 billion more and that boehner said yesterday was tantamount to a poison pill. other you heard him saying for entitlement cuts that he wanted that he wanted the white house, obviously, to back off on those tax increases and the white house wasn't going to give as much as he wanted. these are two major issues for the democratic and the republican base, and in the end this is what contributed to this collapse yesterday. >> okay. before i let you go, to be clear to our viewers, we're not necessarily talking about just a matter of money, it's a matter of principle because relatively speaking $400 billion often years is not that much. but republicans can't go along with anything that could be deemed a tax increase. >> reporter: a lot of this is principle and a lot of this is politics. you had house republicans say they weren't going to agree to tax increases. you have senate republicans many of whom signed a pledge as well. then you have democrats who are trying to defend entitlement programs like medicare. when the house republicans, t.j., had voted for a budget that include ad reform of medicare, they slammed republicans for doing that. then to turn around and give on medicare reform, medicare cuts really sort of undercut what they were arguing before that these programs shouldn't be touched. so the word sacred cow has been thrown around. >> we'll talk to you policemen throughout the morning. we're under three hours from that meeting taking place at the white house. a lot more on this debate throughout the next several hours. hard feelings on both sides and in ten minutes we'll talk about the politics of the deal or no deal. then at 10:00, in case you missed it last night we're going to play for you both of those news conferences. again, this happen later in the evening, 6:00 or 7:00 where a lot of people were out enjoying their friday night. strong words. visibly upset men at the microphones last night. you'll hear from them in their own words. that's later. moving to now what is a horrible story and still a breaking story out of norway. many people are still in shock after the horrible attacks yesterday. two of them. the first one you're seeing the aftermath here. it was in the capital of oslo. a bomb was there. several people killed 90 more injured. that's just the beginning. police now have this man you're seeing on your tv screen in custody. his name is anders brevic. he went to an island 20 miles away dressed as a police officer and opened fire on a youth camp. some of the kids there as young as 13 years old. >> translator: i was out when the assassin came. when we came back they told us to wait because a heavily armed policeman took the last boat. the policeman and two other members crossed over so we were forced to wait. then we heard shots then we ran back up the hill towards the main road and hid among the stones and trees. >> at least 84 people were killed on that island. again this is a youth camp that had to do with the governing party there, the labor party. they had this camp, had it for several decades. kids as young as 13, some of them after the gunmen started to shoot tried to swim away. the gunmen were shooting at them in the water. there were no police officers. anyone who could get there. this went on for quite sometime. you can imagine the horror. we'll check in with our correspondent later. the president was quick to give his reaction also and give his condolences to the people of moreway. take a listen. >> a reminder that the entire international community has a stake in preventing this kind of terror from occurring, and that we have to work cooperatively together both on intelligence and in terms of prevention of these kinds of horrible attacks. i remember fondly my visit to oslo and how warmly the people of norway treated me. our hearts go out the them and we'll provide any support we can to them. >> one person in custody now. authorities have not ruled out the possibility that more people could be involved. they believe this one suspect did carry out these attacks. eight minutes the hour. let's say good morning to reynolds wolf. it's all about heat, heat that won't go away. a lingering heat wave. >> a prolonged issue for millions of americans. that's our big story. short term we got a type of weather story that's a whole different flavor. for this moment we have some strong thunderstorms that are popping up across the western part of great lakes. some ground stoppages in chicago. we do check as these storms pass over lake michigan flights will resume out of that area. more issues perhaps the twin cities where we have intense thunderstorms forming just to the north of the twin cities at this point within the next 20 or 30 minutes as they move through that region. t.j. mentioned the heat, plenty of that. we can expect a great deal of heat hot weather from parts of the central plains to southeast and into parts of the north and northeast. with that we got watches this morning that popped up all over the landscape in term of your extreme heat. already feels like temperature in kansas city, 83 trees. as soon as the sun gets higher temperatures will soar. 85 in washington, d.c., feels like 91 in washington, d.c. 85 in new york. 81 in boston and 93 in charleston. combination of heat and humidity will be brutal for people. we can expect some changes, some much better improvements in your forecast in the next couple of days. >> see you plenty throughout the morning. we've been telling you these debt talks breaking down. they broke down yesterday, but there's another meeting coming up at the white house in less than three hours. we got a lot going on. also a little later the nfl owners have a proposal on the table that could end the football lockout. so what's the holdup with the players signing off on the deal? we've got a linebacker in studio and a player rep. he'll tell us if he's ready to sign on that dotted line. it's 10 the hour, stay here. it flows with clean water. it makes its skyline greener and its population healthier. all to become the kind of city people want to live and work in. somewhere in america, we've already answered some of the nation's toughest questions. and the over sixty thousand people of siemens are ready to do it again. siemens. answers. t the motorola expert from sprint. its powerful tools help you work faster and smarter so you can 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media waiting to talk to some of those who survived, but at the moment they are meeting the prime minister, the king and queen of norway, also there to talk to them. we know that police are still continuing to search for bodies around the waters off the island because, of course, some of these children, young people who were attending this youth camp had to swim for their lives and this man, this suspect in custody who we know to be a 32-year-old ethnic norwegian, member of a rifle club was able to pick them off as they swam away. horrific scenes that took place on the island yesterday. >> they keep saying they had this one suspect in custody, they believe he's the one that carried it out. are they still looking into the possibility that maybe he had some help or likely he had to have some help in planning it? >> reporter: well, it does seem to have caused that, that scale of death is, you would have thought someone would need an accomplice. the police, of course, are not ruling anything out in this investigation. there have been reports in local media that there was an october co -- an accomplice. police say they can't confirm or deny this. they are looking as to whether this is true. this is the early stages of the investigation. the man in custody they are searching his farm. he had a farm which, of course, would have given him ample leeway to accumulate fertilizers. this youth camp is held every year on that island. an easy target to plan towards, first of all going for the government quarters, the prime minister's office and using that as a foil to cross to the island as a policeman and really just pick-off a gathering of young people. this was a meticulously planned operation. >> diana magnay, thanks so much. we'll turn to some other stories making news across the country including in aurora, colorado. balloon boy? remember him. the balloon at the center of that hoax has now gone on display. take a look. a store owner bought it at auction for about $2,500. that's not quite the million dollars that balloon boy's dad had expected. you'll remember that story all a hoax, everybody was following this balloon across the country, essentially when it turns out the little boy wasn't even in it. turn to california where a television crew happened to see this. look that. did you see that, folks. a man being dragged down the street by this vehicle. this is in stockton. they are going about 35 miles per hour. the man is okay. police did not file any charges. not sure what was happening there. in florida people living near a massive sinkhole are worried about their homes. the hole caved in last month and portions already of one business have fallen into that sinkhole. let's turn back to this debt ceiling debate. it's been dominating the talk in washington for weeks, for months. more talk in a few hours. did we really think we would get this close to the deadline? just over a week to go before this country cannot pay all of its bills. now it seems the sides have been doing talking about each other than to each other lately. >> it is hard to understand why speaker boehner would walk away from this kind of a deal and frankly if you look at the commentary out there there are a lot of republicans that are puzzled as to why it couldn't get done. in fact, there are a lot of republican voters out there who are puzzled as to why it couldn't get done. >> all right. so, this is the crew that will thereabout in just a few hours, the house speaker, john boehner, majority leader in the senate harry reid, republican leader in the senate, mitch mcconnell and nancy pelosi will all be there. the president and boehner went after each other last night. if you didn't hear we got a bit of that for you. take a listen to this. >> up until sometime early today when i couldn't get a phone call returned, my expectation was that speaker boehner was going to be willing to go to his caucus and ask them to do the tough thing but the right thing. i think it has proven difficult for speaker boehner to do that. i've been left at the altar a couple of time. >> dealing with the white house is like dealing with a bowl of jello. i won't get into the partisan sniping we heard earlier. but there was every effort in the the world avoid the real cuts we need to make to preserve the fiscal integrity of our country. >> let's bring in our friend. our democratic strategist and republican strategist. friend of our show. guys good to see you as always. we have to start with what we saw yesterday. let me go to you first here. we have seen people walk away from these talks. it seems like every other day since they have been going on. did yesterday seem a little different and a tone was a little different and yesterday might be some kind of a game changer in this whole debate? >> it seems like a game changer. these are two guys that went golfing together several weeks ago. it seems as if though now there's some sense of betrayal on both sides and maybe the best thing would be for boehner and reid to get together, see if they can get the rest of the way down the line. hopefully what we'll find out today they are not that far away, maybe the frustration is high but the amount of space between a deal being done and being close to being done is not as far away as it seems right now. that's what we're waiting for. >> this is being portrayed as boehner walking out and now he's cutting the president or wants to cut the president out and say i'll deal with congressional leaders. is that maybe what should have been done in the first place? >> what should have been done in the first place is for speaker boehner understand what could get through his caucus and exert some leadership there. you talked in the beginning about people walking away from the negotiations several times. those people have always been republican leaders. democrats have stood at the table strong. they have offered up even their own most sacred of cows to put on the table. republicans have been the ones this whole time in these negotiations to be the ones to walk away four or five times from these negotiations. the speaker did not return the president's call for several hours. who does that? that's not exerting leadership. that's basically putting politics first. i hope lenny is right that speaker boehner is not that far apart and that he really wants to do this. i think in his heart he does but what he realized yesterday he was not going to get this through his caucus and the tea partiers pulled him back. >> is that fair to say he should show leadership. he should be a leader and get everybody on board. the speaker can't make some of these republicans and there's a lot of new once serving their first term in congress making a lot of promises. should we expect this guy to get everybody lined up. >> we should expect everybody get everybody on both sides of the table. if you look at president obama, there's politics even involved in yesterday's press conference. he's sitting there saying he's not talking about republican congressional leaders can't get it done, he said specifically republican voters can't understand. who is he appealing to. he's appealing to folks in 2012. everybody is playing a political game right now even the president. that's why him coming into these talks late in the game and being partisan initially. if he was a leader earlier in the process we wouldn't be so late in the game right now. >> maria, i never thought we would be to this point. we still have a little over a week. but everybody is going to take a hit if we get to august 2nd. nobody is going to come out looking good. nobody is going to come out saying it was their fault. it will look bad on everybody. who now is left that could step up? it seems like there are hard feelings now. now it's personal. so with that who is the leader who will step up? >> well, hopefully it's going to be president obama and i hope speaker boehner, and the republican leadership joins him. it's the only way, really, that this is going to get done, t.j., because to your point and the president has been very clear on this, both sides have been to blame here. but, i think there are two things that republicans, republican leadership really need to take a hard look at. you know, lenny talked about the politics in this. of course there's politics in this. it's washington. it's a political city. but at the same time if you look at the polls, the majority of americans believe that whatever debt negotiation comes out of washington has got to include both spending cuts as well as new revenues. they understand as well as obama and the democrats that it's the only way to get this done in a fair and balanced way, in a way that is asking for shared sacrifice that does not protect the wealthy and the corporations at the expense of seniors, middle class families and small businesses and the second thing is that if this does go down, t.j., and i hope that it doesn't, the republicans will get the majority of the blame because americans understand that obama and the democrats have put everything on the table, have not walked away once, and it's republicans who were being recalcitrant on this. >> i know lenny disagrees. i can give you 15 seconds. we'll come back later. >> 15 second, the bottom line is the republicans had 800 billion on the table. it's that last 400 billion that came out of nowhere that made speaker borne walk away. when you go these gotcha moments you'll get this frustration from the republicans and feel as though the democrats are not as serious as they are claim took. >> lenny, you're going to have plenty more time to speak seen will umarry a. we brought you guys in early. interesting day on capitol hill last night and today as well. meeting coming up in 2 1/2 hours at the white house. let's talk to you both later. thanks, guys. 25 minutes the hour. quick break. we'll be right back. that's the place. all eyes. wish we had 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