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CNNW Erin Burnett OutFront October 14, 2011



breaking news from washington. the white house deciding not to send congress all the internal documents related to the solyndra loan. jessica yellin is live. >> that means members of congress are not going to get a glimpse of what is on the president's blackberry or any more internal documents from the white house itself related to the solyndra loan. let's back up and do the big picture. two of the republicans investigating the solyndra case asked for anything that mentioned the solyndra loan whatsoever and send them up to capitol hill. what has happened now is that the white house capital has sent a letter to them this afternoon and it says, we're not going to do this. we're not going to send you all of these documents because you've gotten 70,000 pages of documents from agencies, another 900 pages from inside the white house, and to be just bottom line it for you, erin, this is consistent with other administrations. we've always heard about executive privilege. the president always protects traditionally the right of their advisers to give them unvarnished advice. this really isn't that big of a surprise but expect political fireworks any way. erin? >> okay. thank you. let's bring in jeffrey toobin and john. fireworks. we're definitely going to get them. in addition to the news that jessica broke, we're seeing the advisor campaign. >> solyndra stinks. there may be doubts about the wisdom of making these loans. however, to this piece of breaking news, as jessica said, the white house has turned over 70,000 documents and 900 documents from the white house. the issue here at hand is what to do with the president's blackberry. it's unprecedented territory. it's one of the reasons that it invokes the executive privilege to stop this from becoming a political fishing expedition. >> what do you think about this, the blackberry new precedent here? >> remember when obama became president and they said don't carry a blackberry. people will end up subpoenaing you. it's been 2 1/2 years and i think it's like the old days in the clinton administration. bad embarrassing news comes out at 6:30 on friday. >> there isn't a company or government in the world that doesn't use that one. >> i don't think it's going to be legally controversial. if it's the blackberry, the core of his ethic decision making, his diary, that is not something that is going to be turned over unless it's clear criminality. >> let me ask you on the political side of things, how much more political fallout is there? the solyndra loan is something that a lot of people are familiar with and they know that it's bad. >> sure. >> how much more pain is there to come? >> solyndra is becoming about wasting taxpayer money on green jobs. it's hit that point where people know what it means and it's become a problem for the administration. >> the problem is political. it's far from clear that it's a legal problem. you said culpability. i think maybe political culpability. but this is a program to give loan guarantees for green jobs. some companies succeeded. this one failed. that in and of itself does not suggest a legal issue but raises a question on whether the government should be raising money this way. >> right. and then there's a quid pro quo problem. you have an administration that wanted to push green jobs and do it by using the private sectors. so by definition you're going to have the problem of political culpability. >> it's nothing in these tough times. the question is, will this political symbol become so toxic that it stocks the long-term investment in green jobs. that's an application that goes way beyond it. >> john is going to stay with us. it fits perfect with the analysis that we were doing today. the solyndra loan fits perfectly with the green jobs but far with the only one from that goal. rick perry said his job program is all about making america energy-independent. >> america should not be -- and when i'm the president of the united states -- will not be held hostage by foreign oil. >> it's a familiar refrain. herman cain made a promise last night. >> i want by the end of this decade for the united states of america to not be dependent upon these oil-rich countries. >> wait. it's even less of a big deal than it seems already. >> we will lay the foundation for our future capacity to meet america's energy needs from america's own resources. >> reduce our dependence on foreign energy supplies. >> our dependence on foreign oil will be stopped dead in its tracks. >> fully deregulate natural gas to bring on new supplies and bring us closer to energy independence. >> make our nation more secure and less dependent on foreign oil. >> okay. it's almost a joke. but here's the thing. why hasn't it happened? a combination of things. american oil, first of all, is pretty expensive to extract versus iraqi oil which one oil ceo told me is like drinking oil out of a straw. i've been told by people who drill oil that in iraq it can cost $2 a barrel and in the gulf of mexico it could k cost $20. so we end um importing about half of our oil, according to the energy information administration. but what if we went for it and really committed to finally doing it? ripping out the heroin needle and become energy independent. well, here's the things. we'd have to produce eight times current levels. but we dovil have other options. not just green but switching to things that we do have a lot of, coal or natural gas. chris jarvis tells "out front" that 106 domestic supply and overhauling every station in the gas station of america would cost up to a trillion dollars and, in best case scenario, would take ten years but create up to 10 million jobs. joining us is amy, director of the energy reform as well. thanks so much to both of you. amy, what's your take? can we really do it? >> well, you know, the oil industry is another innovation success story, just like steve jobs. we are now able to produce narm gas in increasingly oil from solid rock and we have a lot of oil and gas in solid rock in the united states. so when all those presidents made those statements years ago, it wasn't so possible. but now actually the truth is we have a lot of potential. >> so, john, what do you think politically here? amy is saying technically we have the potential. politically there's all sorts of issues, environmental issues being among them. >> sure. and that's not among the biggest in the environment at all. this has become a hallow promise. >> it should be a joke except for it's not funny. >> it's not remotely funny. and people want to move away from our addiction to foreign oil. but there is no silver bullet. the only thing that could work is trying to expand our domestic resources and future in technologies, which is how we solve problems in america. ultimately it's going to have diversification, conservation, and innovation. and it's solely based on, drill baby drill. >> or coal and other things. but amy, it seems like the current president tried to get it right f you're trying to go innovative or green, i don't want to pick that. that's how we'll end up with the next great industry. did we do it right? >> well, i would sort of pick a bone with the president. i think that if he had take and then half a billion dollars and put it into real r and d, so in other words let's not produce someone old for solar dollars, would it make sense to subsidize a telephone company to make rotary telephones? no. we want to be promoting innovation in solar because the current technology is not efficient enough. so i would say, where i would criticize the white house, is in the allocation of how many resources we're going to give to existing companies with old technology and how much money are we going to spend on innovation. >> all right. thanks very much to both of you. we appreciate it. john and amy. we'll be talking a whole lot more about this. well, next, jon huntsman boycotts nevada. and what happened to baby lisa? it's megan. i'm getting new insurance. marjorie, you've had a policy with us for three years. it's been five years. five years. well, progressive gives megan discounts that you guys didn't. paperless, safe driver, and i get great service. meredith, what's shakin', bacon? 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[ bell dinging ] the number tonight, 52 that's how many years barbie is. and she's just as appealing, sexy, i know all terms are loaded when it comes to barbie. but mattell reported that the sales numbers rose 17% in the third quarter, the biggest gain in over a decade. well, there has been turmoil for the gop calendar and it all started in florida when they cut the line jumping ahead of the four states that were slated to go ahead. the traditional first in the nation primary, of course, is new hampshire. it super bowl ki it is kind of squeezed out. herman cain, michele bachmann, newt gingrich, rick santorum, and john jon huntsman, he came out front and said that he will boycott the cnn debate next tuesday. >> we have decided to boycott nevada because they are leap frogging the primary schedule, which jeopardizes the all important new hampshire primary which i think is critical to our and then you need to do it full low and that includes the debate. >> a former deputy press secretary for george w. bush is joining us from seattle. robert zimmerman is here with me in new york tonight. scott, let me start with you. new hampshire in the position to move the primary back to december. it's become a sort of race early unless nevada relents. how will this be resolved? >> well, i think the main way that this will be resolved, is if nevada actually chose to go three days later than the date that they've announced, which is the 14th. if they were to go to the 17th of january, that provides a weak space between them and new hampshire on january 10th and a weak space between new hampshire and my home state of iowa, which is going to have its iowa caucuses on january 3rd. both of iowa and new hampshire work very closely together to coordinate these dates and they are in sync and the presidential candidates know that. >> scott, the bigger issue is that these candidates don't want it to be resolved. they want to try to make a play for new hampshire. >> i don't disagree with you, robert. i would say that nevada has mismanaged their dates in the past, mismanaged their caucuses in previous years and don't have the tradition of new hampshire, they don't have the history of iowa. >> and the tradition of iowa is about making money. >> i'm curious, robert, why this hasn't happened before. i mean f. you're an important state, i.e., an early state, you have undue -- whatever -- you have a lot more influence so why is it happening? >> it has happened in the past. it's always been a position between iowa and new hampshire. under state law, new hampshire, under their own state law comes first. >> i'm talking about florida and nevada and all of the states fighting now. >> there's always a battle. in fact, last year, florida and michigan were discounted from the miami mary process and lost delegates where they tried to yu jump the calendar. the enormous economic boost that this makes new hampshire and iowa, iowa being the first caucus, new hampshire between the first primary. >> let me ask you about herman cain. he was on our show yesterday and he's got a lot of momentum. the man of the moment, if not more, a big surge. haylee barbour saying that he can "sweep the south." >> i think it's certainly possible. people are hungry for fresh ideas that are not of washington. people are tired of slick politicians and herman cain, like it or not, has come in with the fresh idea of the 999 plan and it's really taken over the debate in the republican primary field. and it dominated this week's debate. it was the topic of discussion. and he does have a very likeable personality. >> uh-huh. >> that really comes through and resonates with voters. >> if you examine governor barbour's comments, he was sending a message to mitt romney not to take him for granted. the reality is, this is a campaign running on political viagra. it's about his artificial and temporary as the trunk, bachmann, and perry surge. if it lasts more than four weeks, you might as well go to the campaign doctors. >> with all due respect, you haven't been a republican voter in a primary caucus and republicans are hungry for somebody with the outside experience willing to tell it like it is and herman cain is doing that. >> but it's a very intense organi organization. it requires funding and grass root activism and we see him selling books in tennessee. >> but that's grass roots. right? it's getting people that need all of that. let me ask you about the immigration law that passed in alabama. this is really amazing stuff. an appeals court in atlanta blocked part of that law that requires teachers to collect information on whether their teachers were illegal immigrants. 2,000 kids stopped going to school. there have been a lot of problems with agriculture in the state. i want to ask you, scott, first, what does this mean, putting immigration or keeping immigration in the center of the national conversation, just when it's a topic a lot of these republicans don't want to talk about in the primaries? >> yeah, it's interesting, erin, because this is a topic that when i worked for president bush at the white house we worked on very aggressively. we worked across party lines to try to get real comprehensive immigration reform put into place. unfortunately, because of harry reid, that did not happen. but these states are just reflecting the desire out there for someone to do something about the problem. interestingly, alabama, in that case, they actually -- one part that was upheld was the police officers that could detain someone that they stopped lawful fully if they suspected that they were illegal immigrants. parts that were up held and parts that were not. but this topic, we have to reduce the volt assuume. >> scott, we need to -- >> and both parts pander on it. >> we have to recognize that this is a bipartisan disgrace. my party, during the first two years of the obama presidency, my party did not show the leadership to get the work done despite the rhetoric and your party had six years and didn't step up to do the job. >> we had an opportunity in 2007. failed the democrats and failed to move forward with president obama because of democrats. >> we'll leave it zsh not because of the leadership of republicans. >> well, thanks very much to both of you. we appreciate it. nothing wrong with sparring on a friday night. 11 days and still no sign of missing lisa irwin. there was a video released with the hopes of someone coming forward with information. ed lavandera is in kansas city with the latest for us tonight. >> reporter: erin, baby lisa is now 11 months old but she has been missing for almost two weeks now. this is the family's front yard. people have come by and left teddy bears and flowers hoping that she will be returned shortly. her parents have kept a very low-profile in the last week or so, despite now being -- having brought on a high-profile private investigator, by the name of wild bill stanton. he came from new york to help out the family. his services paid for by what's described as a wealthy ben factor. he announced today that an anonymous donor has put up a $100,000 reward for baby lease saz safe return and any information that leads to her abductor's conviction. having said that, the one thing that has not changed in the almost two weeks that this story has been going on here is that police have no solid leads as to where baby lisa might be. they continue searching areas around here, wooded areas, rock quarries, creek areas, but still no sign of where baby lisa might be and those investigators are keeping information very close to the vest. no sign of where baby lisa might be or any hopes that anyone might be arrested in this case. erin? 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