done to rein in north korea. there are sharp, growing fears that the nation's new, young leader, kim jong-un may be with tax day upon us, the planning a dangerous show of president made a show of releasing his returns today. power to repair his country's image after its humiliating mr. obama reported $789,674 of income. failure to launch a long-range rocket into space. not enough to subject him to his the primary concern, the debt own proposed buffett rule, that facing of a nuclear weapon, a taxes millionaires more, test blast, which intelligence although he is a millionaire. analysts believe north korea is he paid $162,074 in taxes, an even now preparing. president obama weighed in just moments ago, calling the effective ray of 20.5%. situation an area of deep concern. vice president biden paid a higher rate on less income, the failed rocket launch was a $78,900 in federal taxes, or a slap in the face to the international community, which 23.2% rate. repeatedly warned the rogue state to back away from its plans. now, add in iran, which security the obama campaign is making pint of asking mitt romney to experts also believe is hiding share his 2011 info. nuclear secrets, and the big this afternoon, governor romney picture gets much more critical. filed an extension on his 2011 look at this. return. look at how the nuclear map is changing. during the cold war, there were his campaign says he will file only five nuclear nations. and release his complete form some time in the next six months the u.s., russia, britain, france, and china. and prior to the election. the extension notes an estimated now the list includes india, 2011 tax liability of $3.2 pakistan, israel, north korea, million. and iran may possibly be just if romney is taxed at the same over the horizon. 14% rate he was in 2010, that he all of this has security experts means he earned about $23 wondering if we're entering the brave new world of a new cold million last year. nice work, if you can get it, war, which could be much more for both of them, i guess. unstable and threatening than the old one. joining me now, rayhon salon, tonight, former defense secretary william cohen is and cnn contributor john avalon. weighing in. >> we have a cold war, as such, going on with iran and north listen, let me ask you guys a korea right now. question about this. namely, we've imposed sanctions, first of all, rayhon, who do you think paid more taxes as a rate, we have isolated both countries, the president or his secretary? we are contesting their ideological attempts to spread >> you know something, i would bnt surprised if his secretary their revolution as such, or in paid a little bit more. >> ding ding, that's correct. north korea, their theory of the white house spokeswoman communism. points out that this secretary but it's a different form now. pays a slightly higher rate on these are isolated countries as her somewhat lower income. opposed to major axis powers contesting each other. so it's going to be different. it's going to be on a it's very, very different in the amount, but they say that case-by-case basis, those who underscores their need for this are either pursuing nuclear whole program. weapons or those who have them. >> exactly. >> and they're coming out hard, but there's a cold war that's be hard, hard, hitting this idea of the big buffett tax. in place now with iran and north korea. it's very popular right now with >> it seems like it could also be a much more dangerous one in some ways. everybody paying their taxes they would haven't the firepower saying, yeah, make the millionaires pay more. that for example the soviets had >> look, i am incredibly long ago, but a lot more supportive of the buffett rule. unpredictability. you know, it's about fundamental fairness right now. >> that is true. 1 in 4 millionaires, including that raises the issue of north romney, pay less than many korea in particular, because you have a young leader now, 28, 29 firefighters and police years old, very little world officers. >> but let me raise a point experience, and under the here. pressure now from his military, that has to do with interest income, investment income. it's not overall income. having been sufficiently embarrassed by this most recent if i'm out there, if i'm some ceo out there and i'm being paid failure, he may feel compelled $20 million in salary, i don't to make more action, nuclear get that break, and many tests being one of them, or some other provocation in order to millionaires do play a very high rate. >> but there's loopholes, carried interest is one of them demonstrate they're still here, they're still powerful, at least and effectively they're paying a lower rate. and we need to do something from a military point of view. about it. and the rest of the world has to contend with that. there's a massive amount of >> what can we do? income disparity in our country it seems like we've tried and we have to do something about that. sanctions against iran, we've tried sanctions against north >> avalon, jump in and what do korea. you think about this? we've put on pressure, pressure, you buying it? pressure, is time and again it seems as if they thumb their >> not really, no. look, we do have a problem with nose at the world and say, we're income disparity in this going forward. >> well, actually, sanctions are working. country, but i think there's a sanctions have worked in terms fundamental question about of dealing with iran. whether that's best addressed i think iran now feels the through tax rates and pressure really tightening around their economy and they're effectively trying to move around income to address that. more willing than they have been i think one of the problems the in the past to really sit down president's tax argument is that and start negotiating. he's focusing on fairness whether they will ever come up instead of a message of national with a policy that will be sacrifice. a message of we need to raise satisfactory remains to be seen. but i think the sanctions are more income to restore national really starting to bite. greatness, in effect. i think the sanctions have also been effective with north korea. so i think that there's a north korea wants to have a guns certain focus on fairness and butter policy, their guns exclusively that doesn't end up feeling to independents and and our butter. swing voters. but, look, this whole data today and i think the answer has to be, no, you can't have it both you see, how much of the debate ways. you're not going to continue to is distorted. experiment with rocket launches we're talking about raising tax and nuclear weapons and expect rates potentially up to clinton us to provide food for your people. era rates. and we see how much lower effective tax rates are in this country. >> well, let me ask you one last both parties come with their talking points and end up thing about those sanctions, though, because this is what distorting the issues. troubles me about it. even if they're having an effect, you're right, though, the march has continued. >> in 2004, they paid all in and i find it very hard to imagine that within another three or four or five years that about a 4x increase in 2008. iran won't have a nuclear weapon and that the north koreans won't be closer to having a means of delivering a nuclear weapon with wherever they wish. yet the tax rate, the effective >> well, they haven't been tax rate in 1992 was higher than successful thus far in terms of building this kind of an it was in 2008. intercontinental ballistic missile capability, as far as so, from my perspective, if the the north koreans are concerned. federal government is getting i think a bigger challenge will four times as much money, yet be iran. but i am convinced that if the the federal government is still chinese and the russians really broke, then i would suggest, send the signal to the iranians, wait a second. that they can't split the u.n. let's look at how the federal government is actually spending security council, that everybody this money before we say, gosh, is on board, that it's a bad let's squeeze more tax revenue. idea for iran to go forward, that they have an option here to and actually, another part of that is that as the effective have civil nuclear programs for tax rate declined, it certainly their peaceful purposes, that seemed as though you had more taxable income. can be achieved without them that just doesn't mean that it suddenly, magically came out of pursuing a nuclear weapons capability. nowhere. if the chinese and the russians it means when you change the way the tax code works, people will, really join in full force with for example, engage in more the rest of the countries and the rest of the international deductible consumption. community, i think that they can >> hold on. you brought up the tax code. persuade the iranians to go down i want to ask you both something and choose the right path and here. here's a thing with the tax not the one they're on now. code, the democrats say our tax >> and that is a big if in there. code needs to be simplified and made better. the republicans say it has to be multi-nation negotiations will simplified and made better. start again tomorrow with iran it's been said that way forever and it never happens. why not? over its nuclear program, which iran has always insisted was with only meant to produce electrical power. i'm joined now by jamie ruben, >> well, it's been 25 years the former assistant secretary since we've -- more than 25 of state for public air force. years since we've actually made first of all, let me ask you a any substantiative change to the question. tax code. do you buy that assertion that sanctions are working? and it's because of politics, >> no, i really don't. right? people have very short memories. i mean, you have to think about sanctions were put in place tax reform almost like you have increasingly over the last this one pie, right? and anytime you make de duction, decade in order to stop iran you have to take it out of something. from enriching uranium. >> but avalon, come in on this. the question i ever have, not to stop them from making a nuclear weapon. whenever somebody says that, that's convenient for both we're not even close to that now. parties to say, it's politics, to stop them from enriching uranium at all. we can't help it, and that's what make voters go crazy, and they've been enriching because they say, you both agree uranium for a decade. it's broken, fix it. they've been getting better and better at it. they've gone from a 3% level, >> that's right. and that's what we can't seem to do. which is standard for electrical we have 80% agreement, but the 20% keep stopping us. power, now up to 20%, which look, president obama kpand on tax simplification. perhaps is for medical isotopes. republicans pay lip service to it every election. so the purpose of the sanctions is not to just have them in and yet we can't seem to get anything done. place, it's to achieve a change why? because tax simplification in behavior on part of the requires closing loopholes. adversary. what happens when you start the adversary's behavior has not changed. doing that, lobbyists in both parties start freaking out. for a decade or longer, they it is a source of major have continued to enrich uranium. frustration for the american they have not responded to the people and it should be. we waste billions of dollars a year in compliance, and it questions and the demands of the should be able to be something international community. >> it always seems like the same we can get agreement on, but we pattern, over and over again. can't -- we say we want inspectors to come in, we want you to shut >> very fast, very fast? down, and they say, yeah, yeah, >> cops and firefighters, if a yeah, we're sorry, come on in. cop and a firefighter are and then they get pushed back together own a home, they're out and go back to the same paying less in taxes than a cop thing they're doing and they and a firefighter who rent their gain a little ground, a little apartment. ground, a little ground. there are all kinds of crazy, >> well, i think it's a little yes and no. and the no part, iran still has you be fair things in the tax code. and talking about the buffett inspectors in place. rule distracts us from a bigger ticket tax reform, where we can they've always had inspectors in place. get republicans and democrats together to agree on cleaning up the inspectors are there to make that unfairness. sure that the enriched uranium is not diverted for some illegal >> now you're talking purpose. fantasyland, democrats and republicans getting together. thanks so much for being here. but the point i'm making is that the sanctions were designed to get them to not have any hope off good weekend and hope enrichment of uranium your taxes are filed already. next on "outfront," charges are filed in that shooting spree whatsoever, when they were first put in place under clinton and bush and now under obama. that left three dead in oklahoma. terrible, terrible story. and they keep getting tougher were these people targeted because of their race? sanctions, but the iranians keep continuing to do exactly what and the fbi moves in on a cyberterrorist. they would do with or without the sanctions. take a look. i don't believe this regime that can you find the clue that they found in this photo? has gone through all that it's we'll be right back. gone through for its nuclear program, that has gone through a war with iraq, is going to change its decision making -- ♪ why do you whisper, green grass? ♪ >> you think it's a done deal that they will wind up with a nuclear weapon? >> no, but i think it's a done [ all ] shh! deal that they are going to have ♪ why tell the trees what ain't so? ♪ a substantial nuclear enrichment program. 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"look, we've got this little hot dog cart, right now, we are stiffening them by putting on an oil and it's on a really good corner. embargo and the russians aren't buying that. let's see if we can buy the property." and the branch manager said, "all right, so this embargo is not a u.n. activity. i will take a chance with the two of you." but i think the key for an agreement, and that's what and we've been loyal to bank of america they're going to be talking for the last 71 years. about tomorrow, is the really hard part. is that if we want an agreement with iran, if we want them to do something different. that is, to stop enriching completely at the 20% level, for example, what we need to realize is that we're not going to get that for free. we're going to have to pay a price. and i don't see the administration or the republicans, either party, prepared to pay a price -- >> but the principle -- >> -- for the achievement of the goal, and that's the hard part. >> the price we all pay if we keep going, as we said, this new cold war with much more unpredictable players. >> you need some tough decisions in order to stop that. and that means tough politically. if we want them -- >> we're not so good at those. >> if we want them to make a deal with the iranians, we're going to have to give up some hard things. >> jamie ruben, thanks so much for coming in and covering it with us. ahead, president obama reveals how much money he makes and how much he pays in tax. who do you think pays more? him or his secretary? new developments in a strange murder mystery that's captivated the world. who poisoned the businessman with ties to spies? in your breakfast cereal, what is? and a major merger for brad and angelina. now, in every box of general mills big g cereal, stay with us. there's more whole grain than any other ingredient. 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