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CNNW Erin Burnett OutFront June 13, 2012



good evening every one, on "out front" tonight, a walk up call from the rage oncage on. out with a blistering 16 page indictment of the president's campaign strategy. carville says the president's evidence to convince voters to convince voters is the wrong strategy and in his words will fail. he's right about one thing. the president is selling a message of hope, hard. >> we've gone through the worst financial crisis and the economic crisis since the great depression. we've made significant progress. the good news is that we're starting to see progress. >> so we're making progress. we're moving in the right direction. >> progress? does it add up? well, we looked at some important economic indicators. just take a look at the unemployment rate. this chart starts in the summer of 2007 when america was booming. at the very top, unemployment was 4.6%. a level that it hovered at for years. today it's 8.2. now take a look at consumer confidence. it was just shy of a record then. today, it's more than 40% lower. an industrial production despite recent gains in manufacturing, is still not back to the levels of five years ago. and home price, they peeked in 2006, they are down 35% from those levels, a bigger decline than in the great depression. one of our most reliable sources tells us that at this stage of a recovery we should be past this level testify stall in the rebound. we asked our political strike team, made up of independent reporters and analysts if if the president can win just on the message that the recovery is working, 43% said yes, 56% no. gene sperlg is the director of the national economic council for obama. it's a job he held under bill clinton. i started by asking him if he sees james carville's point. >> not really, unless you put it in a very simplistic way. i think the american public is smart enough to understand three points at the same time. that this president inherited the worst financial recession, the deepest recession and downturn that we've had since the great depression, so we were in a very deep hole. i think we can recognize that we have made progress, but it's not good enough. we're not all the way back. the president is not satisfied, he won't be satisfied until unemployment is much lower and job growth is much higher. >> there's a couple of things when you look at the charts, yes indeed the problem started before the president came in office, but it got significantly worse while he was in office when you look at all of the indicate ors that i just mentioned. and then this, gene, i'm curious how the campaign will handle this question. when you look at average hourly earnings, what people earn from their jobs, the number outpaced inflation. but when president obama took over in 2011, that stopped. inflation started to rise more quickly than wages. now, who can he blame that on? >> well, you know, erin, we went through the worst financial recession in our country. obviously the president interpreted that midstream. let's remember, when he takes office in the fourth quarter of 2008 and the first quarter of 2009, our economy is shrinking at 7.8%. we've lost 4 million jobs and we're losing jobs at 800, 000 a month. that's the economy he took over. so of course it was on a deep dive indeed, most people, many people feared we could go into a free fall, even a second great depression. and the steps the president took didn't stop that on a dime, but they had a significant impact. we returned to growth in the second half of 2009. one year after we were losing 800,000 jobs in march 2009, job growth was going. if you look even how we are comparing to the last recovery, the tapping under president bush, we are over 2 million jobs ahead of pace than we were in the last recovery. >> what does that mean, though? because we have 735,000 fewer jobs than we did when this recession started and that obviously doesn't count for growth of population much the hole is way bigger than that, gene. >> erin, there is no question that we inherpted a deep deep hole in this economy. >> gene, the question is -- >> erni, what was the unemployment rate in november of 2010? >> was it 10.2. >> 9.8%. is it wrong for the president to point out that in that 16, 17, 18 months that we have gone from 9.8 to 8.2%? is it wrong for him to point out that we've created 500,000 manufacturing jobs over the last 27 months and that we haven't created that many manufacturing jobs in 17 years. >> but gene, again, you can make those points, but what about when i look at that plung, i see a plung and as a voter i don't want to say i'm a little above the bottom of the grand canyon when i'm looking at the top saying hey i used to be there. >> absolutely. that's what i'm saying. >> but what is the president's plan for that? isn't that james carville's point? >> the president is the one that first of all put out a 447 billion american jobs act, over half of it tax relief for small businesses, workers, including things like putting construction workers and teachers back on the job, that independent economists estimated would have added 2 million jobs to the economy this year. >> but gene you've spent $3.8 trillion and that includes the other 297 billion of the jobs plan that you're talking about that the president wants to spend and as you say has not been able to. >> i don't agree with the number you used one bit. >> my number includes unemployment benefit insurance, pay roll taxes, the stimulus plans, the tarp balance and the fed. isn't it fair to include what the fed has done. >> i don't think the numbers are right aat all in terms of what taxpayers put on the line. and i think what you would find first of all is our problems with the deficit and debt are whoever whemly due to the fact that we put two large tax cuts, twa wars and a prescription drug plan on a credit card in the last decade. the president took were measures he was compelled to do by the crisis he inherpted and our economy would be in far worse shape had he not taken them. 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bush recently also saying i'm not a guy to be on board with that anti tax pledge? >> it's fascinating these are the two faces of the split within the gop right now. jeb bush versus grover norquist and seeing a growing number starting to question the wisdom of the anti tax pledge. and when jeb bush says his father, ronald reagan, might not have been welcomed in the current republican party, that's not a matter of opinion, that's a matter of litmus test. you can check down the box. it would be true for goldwater, too. it is a real challenge when a guy like jeb bush is saying we've gone too far and folks try to rino hunt him out of the party. >> if you had to pick between the jeb side and grover side? >> full disclosure. i was one of the people who privately urged jeb bush to run for president this year. i prefer him over our current nominee. although i support mitt romney. i like jeb. at the same time, most of the people who would today say ronald reagan couldn't be the republican nominee, back in 1980, probably wouldn't have been voting for him in the republican primary at the time, including jeb bush. >> let me play what jeb bush said about grover norquist's tax pledge, which everybody signed. i remember jon huntsman said i'm going to have no parts of it. but jeb bush, here's what he said about it. >> i ran for office three times. the pledge was presented to me three times. i never signed the pledge. i cut taxes every year i was governor. i don't believe you outsource your principles and convictions to people. you -- i respect grover's political involvement. he has every right to do it. but i never signed any pledge. >> david, is that the voice of reason, or is that just something we mie mean now you couldn't get elected in the republican party? >> you asked a couple times jeb's side versus grover side. in fact, there are not two sides here, not yet. jeb bush needs to be on his own side. what has happened, we have had a narrow faction of the republican party that has pushed the party toward a message that is economically counterproductive, culturally exclusionary, barbed racially and not in keeping with modern america. because of the severity of the depression, that side has had the illusion of success for an extremist message. but it won't play, can't govern. gathering resistance. but there is not yet any force organized to meet this faction. and that is what jeb bush needs to do. he needs to be a leader here. he needs to be on the same side and he needs to stand up for the same principles that lindsay graham -- the same nervousness -- not a set of principles but same apprehension that lindsay graham was articulating. the party would do well to heed them. >> let's be clear about the ground we're discussing here. some enthusiasm for raising taxes. it's really about a question of can we forge a grand bargain. is it acceptable to come up with a deal like bowles/simpson where you can lower rates but close loopholes to raise revenue, or is that a vials of the pledge? that is a critical question. it's about whether deficit and debt reduction is more important. >> grover norquist has said he's all right with closing loopholes. overall, he wants the revenue to remain the same. >> revenue-neutral. which is absurd. >> then you're putting more of the burden on the poor and that means it's a regressive pledge. eric? >> i've got to say. what david just said, and to some of john's point, i think it's a little bit silly. to say the republicans are exclusionary and they're on the fringe, these are the same people who have moved to the left, who realize that the public isn't really with them, but they can't accept it. and when you look at 2010, the republicans may the biggest gains at the local county, state and federal level since 1896. to say that somehow the tea party is out of touch, that they're not in touch with the american people, that's not only impalpable nonsense, it's factual nonsense. >> the people expressing discontent inside of the tea party are part of the public. but the leaders of the tea party are totally out of touch. that's an example. when you interpret a vote against economic distress as a vote for a radical platform, and when you interpret your success in a year when less than 40% of the public came out to vote as a guide to how you're going to do when 55% of the public is going to come out to vote -- when you say here's how we did in the electorate that is old and white and this is just how well we're going to do with an electorate that is not so old and not so white because we have a platform that doesn't address anything to do with how you address this great recession that our plan is to cut and cut and cut and take away medicare from everyone under 55, that is not a path to the future. and god -- thank you, jeb bush for saying so. i hope he keeps -- >> republicans and dmts. >> you know, the other thing, you've got on the democratic side, bill clinton saying taxes need to go up for everyone, as soon as we can. obama is saying i veto any such thing. farther to the left, the republicans moving farther to the right with grover and getting further apart. >> of course. we've seen that in poll after poll. the parties are more polarized than ever before. but occasionally, independent voices step up and say stop, enough. we've got to find a way to reason together. i don't think it's a split between the establishment and the tea party. it's about folks who are focusing on reducing deficit and debt who recognize we need to figure out a would i to work together to solve these big problems. and people who have an absolutist position. and that becomes a problem whether you're on the left or right. >> thanks to all of you. we appreciate it. still "outfront." a father beats a man to death for allegedly sexually assaulting his daughter. is the death excessive force or justified? 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>> the law in texas pretty much the same as the law in florida. they have a stand your ground law and if you believe you're in danger of being killed or seriously injured or you're protecting somebody else, in this case, 4-year-old daughter, you can use deadly physical force on the assailant. and that's what the self defense claim is here. >> crucial question. if they didn't have the stand your ground law, would it mean he would be charged or not? >> no. and the reason is, prosecutors, when they look at a case like this -- now, i'm assuming, and we don't know all of the facts here. but assuming his daughter was being sexually molested, she was 4 years old, and he comes across this scene, prosecutors know there's no jury on earth that's going to convict this guy. even if technically it's illegal. so it looks like he beat the guy to death. now, we've got to see what the autopsy says. but if the autopsy shows that the force was reasonable under the circumstances, i'm pretty sure a grand jury won't indict. >> right. because you're saying even in self defense, it's whether you think someone is in danger of being killed, i would imagine most people would say, just on a human level, molesting a child of that age -- >> yes. >> maybe the child wasn't going to be killed, but that is -- if indeed it were true, such a horrific thing. absolutely. and lesser standard. if it's serious physical injury and certainly the child would be seriously injured. so i think legitimate self defense claim goes on the board, very differentic defendant unlikely to be indicted unless there is something we don't know about, which who knows. >> and we obviously don't have the autopsy report. it could be that or some history between the men. they were the only two in the room other than the girl. the girl did go to the hospital, though. >> could be long, bad history. could be the autopsy shows maybe the guy was dragged outside and hit with something. maybe it didn't go down the way he said it went down. a lot of things turn up in autopsies. >> will the 4-year-old girl's testimony be used? >> probably not. i don't think they put a 4-year-old girl through that. and so i doubt she would testify. and there will be physical evidence, though, if she was injured during the month mol lessation that would come in and be presented to the grand jury. >> such a strange case. many people watching say they would want to kill someone -- if they saw -- >> most people don't see it happening. but you would as a father. >> these cases happen all over the country and get thrown out by prosecutors, because, you know -- it's common sense. you have the right to protect your daughter, and use force to do it. and sometimes somebody is going to get killed when that happens. and maybe that's what happened here. >> maybe that's what happened. and if so, a miracle for that little girl that that didn't continue happening. thanks to paul. still "outfront," our second half in the major development of the george zimmerman case. florida police arresting and charing his wife with lying. and emotional part of the jerry sandusky trial. what caused one of the alleged victims to break down into tears while he was on the witness stand. ant" idea. support team usa and show our olympic spirit right in our own backyard. so we combined our citi thankyou points to make it happen. tom chipped in 10,000 points. karen kicked in 20,000. and by pooling more thankyou points from folks all over town, we were able to watch team usa... 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