-- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com ♪ ♪ chuck brown, chuck brown. >> godfather, go, go! >> he recently died. >> passed last week. >> the godfather of go-go missed my radar. >> hes into go-go. >> we'll get him some by the end of the day. that's roland martin's play list because he's doing a tutorial on go-go. >> roller skates and short dresses? >> the music never stops and keeps going. you really need to get some go-go on your ipod. >> welcome, everybody. >> welcome to our panel this morning. anyone having allergies? >> no. no issues. >> anybody? >> yes, thank you. >> one crew member. one guy sniveling over there. >> he's going to be replacing you in one moment, roland martin as you can tell is back. is he the host of "washington watch" with roland martin. notice the music keeps going, going, going. >> that's right. >> nice to have you back and will cain is a columnist for theblaze.com. >> no go-go at all. >> he's getting the go-go. it's creeping up on him. >> what is in my coffee? >> look, nothing, nothing. help, help, somebody. talk about our "starting point" this morning which is the battle over bain. we were discussing this yesterday, will cain. >> right. >> tax on mitt romney, the businessman, and whether or not that is fair game. newark, new jersey, mayor cory booker leading all the shows yesterday, a obama supporter, surrogate, rising star in the democratic party firing back after there was an ad from the romney campaign using cory booker's words against president obama. here's what he originally said. >> this kind of stuff is nauseating to me on both sides. it's nauseating to the american public. enough is enough. stop attacking private equity. >> so he was talking about negative campaigning overall he mentioned private equity, he mentioned reverend wright. here is how the ad magically looked. take a look. >> look at the totality of bain capital's record. they've done a lot to support businesses and grow businesses. even obama's own supporters have had enough. >> it's nauseating to the american public. enough is enough. >> wait a minute, i didn't hear the "on both sides." huh, i think someone edited that out. anyway, after seeing that last night mayor booker said the gop crossed the line. he didn't like the way that it was spun. take a look. >> taken out of context, i've been used to report a cynicism. if there was any honor mitt romney would have come out like obama and say citizens united decision will hurt our democracy, he would have come out and saying the negativity on our side has got to stop. if he wanted to stand with me he would say i stand with cory booker. stop the super pac money and the negative campaigning and talk about the issues. >> you know what i love about mayor booker? there are not a lot of elected officials who took about honor. he really literally genuinely talks about sort of honor and how people address each other and honor in how you do a campaign ad. >> something that was quite honorable he did in the first place was speak honestly about the role of private equity because what had happened with this debate is private equity guys had been pushed into a corner and the industry was having to defend itself. this really started as a vulture capitalist corporations are bad, private equity guys are bad. is this a riff against capitalism and that's changed as this narrative has developed. people are pulling back saying maybe it's not private equity that's bad but maybe that mitt romney didn't create as many jobs in private equity as he was running on. so the argument and narrative shifted which i think means that president obama's team is a little bit back on their heels and the romney people have sort of won the argument. >> isn't the line that's critical there the difference between venture capital and vulture capital? >> of course. >> ultimately to me, i don't think anybody's arguing should america be a capitalist nation. we're genuinely not having that conversation. we're having the conversation if you take companies and grow business and provide jobs, which everyone is running on, that's a good thing, if, in fact, you don't necessarily do that, you take companies and buy them and provide opportunity for your shareholders which sometimes provides jobs and sometimes kills jobs, isn't that not necessarily something you want to necessarily run on. >> if this is a distinction president obama wants to run on i suggest he's making a grave mistake. and he need not look to me and margaret to point that out. cory booker was not alone. he's been joined by steve ratner, haar alleged ford, ran for democratic senator in tennessee. >> they're all in the ad by the way. >> they are because they had moments of honesty, moments of clarity where they said things like cory booker, i have to say i'm not about to sit here and indict private equity. president obama said this is what the election is about. debris with president obama. >> let's be clear, when we get to november, let's say september and october, you're not going to be hearing the voices of cory booker. mitt romney will run them. you know who you're going to hear? the people who said i had a child in cleng, they came in, stripped this company down, they ran the debt up and destroyed this town, those are the voices you're going to hear and trust me the voters out there are going to be saying, hmm, i'm listening to that person as opposed to what harold ford said or cory booker says. the honorable thing for cory booker is stop giving interviews because you're providing more oxygen to the story and let them duke it out. people are going to deal with the reality, some folks in private equity, building up massive amounts of debt, taking over companies to enrich themselves and not focus on the worker. >> you make money by staying in business. this argument shows a fundamental ignorance of capitalism. jobs are a by-product of profits. you seek profits, you produce jobs. if it was simply creating jobs, pass out the brooms and shovels. we've all got work to do. >> when you're broke and you don't have a job trust me those voices ring louder and there are more folks who lost their jobs as a result of this than the people on wall street who are trying to do exactly what you describe. this is about votes and winning. this is not about a 101 class on economics. >> i'm talking about capitalism. >> i'm talking about people who have no job. >> great so for the people who have no jobs, this election in november they're going to talk about which candidate will be able to make the economy into an economy where private businesses can grow and thrive in america and create more jobs. >> bring us back to the original premise behind that ad and ultimately what this is about. mitt romney would say as a businessman who worked in private equity, i am that person. >> i get it. >> president obama would say as a runs of the country for the last "x" number of years i look at what has been done through bain capital, ergo i am the person to run the country. those are the two competing arguments, isn't that why the conversation is relevant, why having the discussion about bain is relevant? >> we can all agree the bain conversation. >> newt gingrich did say it as well, they all agree. >> gpg gng even says it. we get to the top stories with christine romans. >> boldly going where no private spacecraft has gone before. spacex blasting an unmanned dragon capsule, headed to the international space station, the world's first space station supply flight. this is a giant leap toward not having to rely on the russian space program after retiring our own fleet. >> the united states will once again be in the lead, will be providing our own vehicles to take our own astronauts and cargo to the international space station. the u.s. is losing its top diplomat in afghanistan. ryan crockler step down this summer. news of that dpareur comes hours after the conclusion of the nato summit in chicago which produced a formal agreement on the nato withdrawal from afghanistan. there was no deal on getting pakistan to reopen supply routes into afghanistan. 43 catholic groups suing president obama over contraception. the university of notre dame and the archdiocese of new york are hoping to block the law that requires hem to provide contraception coverage. catholic groups say the revision doesn't go far enough and the law violates separate of church and state. a dumb guy in a wig trying to rob a casino. police say he tried to pepper spray a blackjack dealer and grab $115,000 in chips at the bellagio in vegas. police say casino staff wrestled him down. his wig and sunglasses fell off during the struggle while a suspected accomplice got away. he hung on the side of the rocks a 250 drop below for 18 hours. 13-year-old boy is safe and sound. he was hiking with his brother and father above wallace false when he slipped and went over a small waterfall and about to go over the big one. >> i was thinking this cannot be real. i was like help me! and she went and tried to grab me but we had like that much space between our hands. i was like in standing position with my hand up, it was like, i'm not going to die! i think i am one of the luckiest people ever. >> that was the luckiest and unluckiest day of that kid's life. as a parent, unbelievable, eight hours waiting to get him. bravo to everyone who got him out of there. >> amazing. >> good news for that little kid. appreciate it. some news everybody needs to hear this morning, a recommendation that one of the most basic, routine medical tests for men might not be worth having. psa test screens for the second most deadly form of cancer in men, prostate cancer and roughly 28,000 men will die from prostate cancer this year. the u.s. preventative services task force is recommending men don't take the test, they say it could do more harm than good. dr. william catalona is a medical director of the urological research foundation, he joins us this morning. so this task force says don't take the test. you're the guy who created the test. why are they wrong? >> well i think it's really a misguided recommendation and just let me remind you this is the same task force that a couple years ago recommended against mammography in younger women and the frequency of mammography in older women. during this era the death rate has dropped 42%, so prostate cancer is the second leading cause of death among men for cancer and the psa test has dramatically reduced prostate cancer deaths. >> they argue in this that people who don't have the disease are actually flagged in the blood test and also there are people who do have the disease but it's such a slow moving cancer that they'll go ahead and have some kind of treatment that could be worse than if you just did nothing and let the cancer move slowly, you might die of natural causes before you die of prostate cancer. those are their arguments. >> well, the test is not perfect. it's not like a pregnancy test where when it's positive, the patient always has cancer and when it's negative, the patient never has cancer. there are false positives and false negatives, but doctors can work through these for the patients, and identify patients who really have an aggressive cancer that needs to be created in almost every instance and i just remind you that prostate cancer is the second leading cause of cancer deaths, that is a man who dies of prostate cancer every 15 minutes in this country. >> are these statistics wrong? what i heard is as a result of the psa test, one man will avoid death, one will develop a blood -- and treatment, i should add -- will develop a blood clot in the legs or lungs, two men have heart attacks, up to 40 men will be left impotent or unable to control urination. somebody has treatment, there's one person will avoid death out of 1,000 xwu 40 left with a major medical problem they'll be dealing with and that's why the risks aren't worth it. are those statistics inaccurate? >> i think they misinterpreted the risk. the whole issue is you have risks on one hand and benefits on the other and do the risks outweigh the benefits and they came to the conclusion that it did. i really think they misinterpreted the data and i think the benefits greatly outweigh the risk, because it cuts the prostate cancer death rate in half in this country, and for the second leading cancer killer among men, you know, if we were to stop psa testing over the next decade or two, the prostate cancer death rate in this country would double or triple. there's really nothing out there other than the psa test to detect prostate cancer in its earliest stages when it's curable. >> of course black men are most at risk to are prostate cancer by large margins. >> doc i'm going to interview the cook county on tom's show in a minute. >> you're not promoting tom's show. >> i have to go, but 80% of the folks who get prostate cancer can't be detected by the rectal exam. men are frankly in limbo as a result of this decision. >> well that's absolutely correct and as you mentioned, african-american men have a 50% higher incidence of prostate cancer and 200% higher death rate and the psa testing has never been adequately studied in african-american men. this study has been done in all men of all races, and i think it's a misguided and unjustified recommendation by this government task force. one of the main problems is there were no cancer specialists on this task force. there were no urologists, medical oncologists or radiation oncologist and most of the people on the task force were population scientists who basically look at data, and this really becomes sort of abstract data to them and they don't see the suffering that men with prostate cancer go through. >> so if you were talking to a man who is trying to decide do i get the blood test or not get the blood test because of the task force, you tell them do it? >> i think every man should at least get one blood test early in life in their 40s to determine their risk, and then i think they should see whether they're high risk or low risk patient and then i think they should discuss it with their doctor and discuss the risks and benefits and decide for themselves whether they want to have prostate cancer screening. >> dr. william catalona, thank you, sir. appreciate your time. >> thank you very much. >> um-hum, that would be my allergies. >> a segment for me, on the horizon for me and i'm dreading that prostate exam. now i don't know if i have to get it. >> you should get it. it's a terrible recommendation. it's a preventative measure. >> get the test and decide what to do next. the test itself isn't causing any of the problems. it's the treatment. >> all right, soledad, i'll get the test. >> god, do i have to do everything for you, will? still ahead on "starting point," my gosh i can't get through the allergies. do that for me, go ahead. >> coming up on "starting point," what happens when toddlers zone out on an ipad? i can tell you because i have two of them. >> ipads or toddlers? >> both. judges are having a million-dollar getaway in hawaii. senator chuck grassley, why it may be time to end the conferences all together. >> not so easy, huh, will? >> it's hard. you're watching "starting point." 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