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the problem with -- not so much omar, because she has her own set of problems -- they always seem to care about them own selves than america. they're opportunists. that's why schiff ended up on tv. swalwell should be exploring natural gas -- or maybe in front of it, not behind it. putting schiff on the intelligence committee is like putting jesse on a modesty committee. >> jeanine: ahh, that's not fair to jesse. >> greg: you would chair it. >> jesse: i would chair it. senior member. >> jeanine: he says it does not serve as precedence or justification for the removal of schiff and swalwell, given that they've never exhibited violent thoughts or behavior. having an affair with a chinese spy is no problem. >> jesse: violent thoughts? i think schiff wanted trump hung
their performance art, there doj is focused on the strong case they appear to be building against trump and they are reportedly ramping up their efforts. the doj has been showing a more aggressive posture in seeking judicial intervention, as it prepares to question the people who found even more classified documents at one of trump's properties at the end of last year. so when it comes to actual legal jeopardy, ignore the theater and take a look at what's happening inside the justice department and in the other trump legal cases. joining me now is the reporter of that guardian story, hugo lowell, and barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney, professor at the university of michigan law school, and msnbc legal analyst. hugo, i'm going to start with you, to get your reporting on what more, what further documents were found? >> yeah, this was back in december of last year. the justice department had wanted trump's team to go back and see if there were any more outstanding documents remaining because they suspected there were. low and behold, they found two more classified documents which
see? details on the iran nuke deal? that trump was set to cancel you know, the deal where obama-biden paid the iranians a half a billion in cash? what didn't joe want trump to see about the british? did it have something to do with chris steele, crossfire hurricane, the russia hoax? and it's pretty obvious what joe wanted to hide from trump about ukraine. and at the same time, biden was leaving with these classified documents the last week of his vice presidency, he was flying to ukraine. what why biden doing in ukraine on the last week of his vice presidency? you are telling me the vice president get fired. starts spreading money around washington. biden is flying to ukraine and then runs away with classified documents. all this happens at the same time? i mean, the media wanted trump
short testified before the grand jury. this all comes after we learned yesterday, former president trump's actions, leading up to january 6th, are, in fact, a central piece of the criminal probe at the department of justice. so, john heilemann, that's a lot to get through there. but the focus here, number 1, is the revelation yesterday, that d.o.j. is, in fact, looking at donald trump's behavior directly, perhaps not surprising, considering he was at the center of everything that day, and the days leading up to it. but also john eastman, a focus. the man who we've seen in black and white, the document he drafted, explaining how they could begin to stage their coup with the help of vice president pence. >> yeah, willie. i mean, look at the end of last week, all of us, including the most knowledgeable people in the country about this matter, one of them, not you, mike, one of them sits at this table, jonathan lemire, whose book, "the big lie," we discuss in
you're seeing is what you're seeing. the question is, where those republican voters are going to be a few months from now. and there will be a set of events, which we'll be talking about on the show. the department of justice may decide to indict donald trump. what we have seen in the past, that's not how republicans talk about donald trump now. or republicans mostly talking about trump. it suddenly becomes partisan, where a democrat attorney general may be indicting president trump. what effect do you think that will have? if it suddenly flips to an unprecedented criminal indictment that donald trump will say is partisan, driven by merrick garland, joe biden's hand-picked puppet, will that reverse people to go back on trump's side that might now be drifting away? >> reporter: yeah, it absolutely could. i mean, these voters are extremely tribal. i was doing focus groups throughout both impeachments.
but they you also haven't seen him on a national stage. none of us have. and we haven't seen these candidates go toe to toe with president trump. what does that look like? does trump make them look small, like he was able to do with a lot of candidates in 2016. primaries are often, they come down to math. if a bunch ever them do decide to contest the primary against trump, then there's a number of candidates. are they splitting the trump vote? consolidating that plurality who are never going to leave him and always stick with him? i still, despite the fact that i have very much seen the shift, i would not argue that trump isn't still the odds-on favorite to win a republican primary, if he does, in fact, get in the race. >> yeah, just reading some of the comments in your focus groups, it seems, by and large, republicans exhausted for donald trump, but will vote for
i can think of a number of other things that i do not want to mention. let's hope we don't see a reaction from china. let's hope that the speaker considers carefully, whether this is an advisable trip or not. bottom line, we, the united dates, cannot allow china to dictate who from our government goes to taiwan. i have gone to taiwan. i've met with the leader of taiwan. i am not the speaker of the house, at a moment of high tensions. we had to be sensible on our side. let's hope the chinese will be sensible on their side as well. speaker pelosi has been tightlipped about her plans. thank you for covering an awful lot of ground for us today. coming up next, former president trump and vice president mike pence are on opposite sides in republican primary for governor. this time in wisconsin.
for comment. pence announced he is backing kleefisch. trump will back tim michaels. the primary will be held august 9. you will remember pence and trump were in arizona, backing competing candidates. the development continues. this is a fascinating dynamic, between president trump and his former vice president. they have clearly broken far, far apart since january 6. how do you see this playing out? donald trump will endorse the candidate that pledges fealty to him. mike pence says he is behind the actually conservative candidate. it is different in every state. what does the dynamic look like? >> it represents an interesting
and we saw that instinct to come to donald trump's defense. and i try to be really specific about this in the piece, that i've seen this shift before. you know, when trump is in hot water. and like the sort of ambient noise around him is really high, where voters drift away. but they can come back to him. and i think -- here's my guess. my guess is that he's got qualitative gene, too. he has pollsters, too. and my guess is it is informing some of his desire to get in as early as possible. it's not just his troubles. he wants everyone focused on him. because he know fist he can get everybody talking about him, just, you know, and sort of pushing on those partisan tribal instincts that, a lot of times, he can bring these voters back to his side. and it's something i try to be really clear about. it's not that his support is collapsing. it's not that these voters don't like him. in fact they do like him and the direction he pushed the party. they just have sort of