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BBCNEWS Newsnight July 2, 2024



further east into england and wales but very few will reach east anglia and the south—east. temperatures 11-13, and the south—east. temperatures 11—13, pretty similar to what we had today. i want to take you back across the atlantic, though, because this mass of cloud is really looking quite threatening. this is a band of cloud and rain, of course. that will come scooting across the atlantic into the uk on tuesday night and wednesday morning. the un says gaza is becoming a "graveyard for children". the israeli defence force will enter gaza city within the next 48 hours according to reports in israli media. what happens after that? israeli troops say they have essentially split the gaza strip into two — and they have encircled gaza city in the north. we'll talk to the secretary general of the norwegian refugee counciljan egerland who was involved in the oslo peace accords in the 90s. tonight, hundreds of israelis injerusalem have gathered to mark the 30 days since 1,400 people were massacred by hamas. this woman's mother was taken hostage by hamas and then freed two weeks ago — her father is still being held. also tonight, the rise of anti—semitism and islamaphobia on some uk university campuses since october 7th. it's not like we have a choice being jewish. like, once we're born a jew, we're always a jew, we're in our community, all of our friends and family are jewish, and the fact that you know, people go out of their way to attack us purely because who we are. and it's the king's speech tomorrow. nick is here with a preview. no restrictions — for now — on the use of tents by homeless people. what does that mean for rishi sunak�*s relationship with suella braverman? we've two political brains on standby to discuss what exactly might change rishi sunak�*s fortunes. israeli troops says they have essentially split the gaza strip into two — north and south gaza and they have encircled gaza city in the north. according to reports in the israeli media, troops will enter the city in the next two days. hamas, which is designated a terror group by the uk government, claims there was intense bombing around gaza's largest hospital which israel says it operates as the group's headquarters — something denied by the hospital authorities. a group of un humanitarian agencies and charities have said the "horrific killings" of civilians in gaza are an "outrage". thousands of children are believed to be among the dead — and the hamas run health ministry reported today that more than 10,000 people have now been killed in gaza. israel's air strikes are in retaliation to hamas�*s killing of moo people in southern israel on october 7th. injersualem today, relatives of those israelis abducted by hamas have gathered outside the knesset — calling on the government to do more to get their loved ones home. here'sjoe. this is the ground war as israel wants it to be seen. idf forces moving slowly, carefully, to cut off gaza city in the north from the rest of the strip. last night they announced they'd made it all the way to the sea, encircling the main population centre. many of the civilians who once lived here fled, but hundreds of thousands are thought to remain. and this is the picture hamas wants to present. the group, designated a terrorist organisation by the uk government and many others, released this footage. the on—screen text claims they're destroying israeli armoured vehicles, emerging from tunnels to strike. it's a big challenge. no one is experienced to fight in an area which was so well prepared. many years. it's not mosul which was kind of immediate arrangement. no, it's 15 years preparations of hamas. and part of it is underground on purpose and we are facing a challenge and we are dealing with it. dealing with it partly with overwhelming firepower. israel released these images showing what appears to be surgical strikes, dropping individual buildings. but to those on the ground the operation looks anything but surgical. the gaza strip is being reduced to rubble. the hamas run health ministry says more than 10,000 people have now been killed in the air strikes. even areas where people were told to head for safety are being hit. this was khan younis earlier today. translation: no one here was accused of anything. i all these people. i provided them with water. coming out from their homes, it's devastating to see. they were all children, women and children. really, nobody else. israel accuses hamas of using civilians as human shields, something that they deny. either way, children are often the ones paying the price. translation: we were on our way| to buy almonds and on the way back we were called by an israeli strike on the corner of the street and all the rubble fell on us. that's what happened to us. i can't bear it any more. the growing civilian cost is leading to increased international pressure, either for a pause in the fighting orfor a full ceasefire. gaza is becoming a graveyard for children. hundreds of girls and boys are reportedly being killed or injured every day. and the unfolding catastrophe makes the need for a humanitarian ceasefire more urgent with every passing hour. there are groups inside israel also calling for a pause in the fighting but for different reasons. today at the parliament building, the knesset, the family and friends of the more than 240 people taken hostage gathered. they want the government to focus less on destroying hamas and more on bringing them home. the hostages, this is the first thing, they need to bring them back now, before everything, before the war, before everything. they need to bring them back now, all the hostages, because this is, they are the people of israel and they are responsible for them. but this is a country still in mourning for the atrocities carried out on october the 7th. this war is being directed by anger as much as anything else. in israel there is no mood for compromise. hamas is history. it will not exist in the gaza strip as an organisation. we will not let it come back. it should be understood, even if it will take a year to clean the gaza strip, we will continue the whole deal. but in the end it will be clear, hamas will not exist as an organisation, as a military organisation, not in gaza strip, not anywhere in the world. tonight at the western wall, one ofjudaism's holiest sites, 1,400 candles were lit. benny gantz, a leader opposition figure, now in the war cabinet, joined the crowds. the events of october the 7th shook this country to its foundations. 30 days have now passed. in the jewish faith that holds a special significance. it often marks the end of the official period of mourning. but there is no sign of this nation's mourning ending nor the rage unleashed on the people of gaza. just before we came on air, i spoke to the secretary general of the norwegian refugee counciljan egerland, who was involved in the oslo peace accords in the early 90s. he told me what the situation was like on the ground for his 54 members of staff in gaza: members of staff in gaza. it's like they are all in a free—fall at moment, it couldn't be more traumatic. i have ten, 11 colleagues in the north, that is now cut off from the majority of the colleagues who fled south. but in all of these places, it is not safe, there is no real access to food, water, or supplies, and the fear, the fear is everywhere. and in terms of their ability to provide effective humanitarian aid for palestinians, how is that? it's very limited, because of the insecurity. i mean many are fleeing for their lives as it is. remember, gaza is like no other place. it's smaller than the municipality of oslo, where i am, with three times the population. it's locked up, they cannot leave, and they have been under siege now for a month. nothing really has got into the gaza in this period. president biden has spoken again to the prime minister of israel, today, again emphasising the need to reduce civilian harm, and they discussed tactical pauses, but those calls again appear to have failed. why do you think that is? because the israeli government, the israeli army doesn't want to get us the humanitarian ceasefire, the pause, the humanitarian corridor, the humanitarian access. there hasn't even been a lifting of the siege of gaza, so we are very disappointed, to put it mildly, in the us, the united kingdom, france, germany, the european union, that have all, you know, pledged, promised us to have this protection of civilians, the humanitarian access, humanitarian process for a month. we've got none of it, really and it is incomprehensible those whoa are providing arms for all of this, political support, intelligence, etc, are not even able to get the smallest humanitarian pause when the children are dying in their thousands in gaza. you will have heard among members of the israeli government and the israeli defense force, and others, like hillary clinton, for example, who, when you talk about a cease fire say people who are calling for a ceasefire now do not understand hamas, that is not possible, a ceasefire would be such a gift to hamas. what do you say to that? what i say to them, that even in war on terror there are rules. you cannot crush hundreds of thousands of children because there would be killers hiding among them. it's not legal and it's not in the interest of israel to create generations of hatred and bitterness and suffering in the neighbourhood. they might argue, very much, that it is rational, after hamas, they argue, hamas broke the ceasefire, on october 7th, and essentially went into southern israel and killed pretty much any israeli person they could see. and they point out again and again, that hamas is the reason this is happening. what happened on the 7th october was horrific. 1,400 israelis were killed, the vast majority of them were civilians. they are holding well over 200 hostages that should be released — these are children, women, etc, but what about the innocent that are suffering? it is those who are dying in the thousands, are not grown men, they are children, they are women, these are the innocent, so this is disproportionate, there is no distinction between civilians and armed men, and there is not the precaution that international law subscribes to. that is why the un and all humanitarian organisations are calling for a humanitarian ceasefire. well, they are ignoring you. so far, so is israel, by the way, ignoring president biden, and your prime minister sunak, etc, and i thought that israel was pretending to be much better than their opponent. they were supposed to shield the civilian population. now they have even turned off electricity, they turned off water. when putin did that in ukraine, it was a war crime. all of the western powers said. how come it is not so when it is on palestinian children? mr egeland, thank you for very much for talking to our audience tonight here in the uk, we appreciate it. thank you. almost a month ago, along with over 200 other people, 85—year—old yohevet and 83—year—old oded lifschitz were taken hostage by hamas. 17 days later later, yohevet was freed by them — and you may remember she held the hand of the hamas operative as she left and said "shalom". her daughter sharone was on this programme days before her mother was released and she's back with us now. thank you welcome back to newsnight. thank you welcome back to newsnight. thank ou thank you welcome back to newsnight. thank you for— thank you welcome back to newsnight. thank you for talking _ thank you welcome back to newsnight. thank you for talking to _ thank you welcome back to newsnight. thank you for talking to us, _ thank you welcome back to newsnight. thank you for talking to us, how - thank you welcome back to newsnight. thank you for talking to us, how is - thank you for talking to us, how is your mum? my thank you for talking to us, how is your mum?— thank you for talking to us, how is our mum? ~ , , , your mum? my mum is getting better eve da , your mum? my mum is getting better every day. she _ your mum? my mum is getting better every day. she is _ your mum? my mum is getting better every day, she is really _ your mum? my mum is getting better every day, she is really remarkably i every day, she is really remarkably herself, having been through this ordeal. that is wonderful, she is a ray of light but there is great darkness around it, seeing this report is heartbreaking, knowing the 242 people for my region are still held captive, is horrific, so while she is a ray of light, the situation is incredibly dark. has she been changed by her experience at all? i has she been changed by her experience at all?— has she been changed by her experience at all? i think her core beliefs have _ experience at all? i think her core beliefs have not _ experience at all? i think her core beliefs have not shifted. - experience at all? i think her core beliefs have not shifted. she - experience at all? i think her core l beliefs have not shifted. she fought all her life to create a place between the river and the sea that is shared by both people. she feels just the same now. she said to me a few days ago that we made peace with the germans and we will have to make peace with the palestinians. i think having just being the victim of this and still holding this belief, she's very much feeling that there is no alternative. very much feeling that there is no alternative-— very much feeling that there is no alternative. ., ., ., , alternative. you will have heard us re ”ortin alternative. you will have heard us reporting tonight _ alternative. you will have heard us reporting tonight that _ reporting tonight that israel defence forces troops are surrounding gaza city. obviously there are many hostages still bear. what do you want to see happening now? i what do you want to see happening now? ., what do you want to see happening now? . ., ., now? i am not a political strategist. _ now? i am not a political strategist. i— now? i am not a political strategist. i am - now? i am not a political strategist. i am for - now? i am not a political strategist. i am for life. | now? i am not a politicall strategist. iam for life. it now? i am not a political. strategist. iam for life. it is strategist. i am for life. it is horrific to see the suffering of the children of gaza. any human being will find that horrific, because we share humanity. i wish also to remind people that are 77 people from my community are at their as well and they're affected by it. together with hamas they are quite safe, maybe, some of them. hamas is a terrorist organisation who are willing to put its own women and children as human shields. so we are talking about an impossible situation for civilians. i would like to see a solution to it. i would like us to work towards the possibility of life together. you know, and i would love the hostages to come back. i think bringing back the hostages is the fastest way to end this round of devastation and perhaps work towards something that is deserved of the people there. have you had assistance from the british government in terms of trying to get your father out? the prime trying to get your father out? tue: prime minister trying to get your father out? tte: prime minister has trying to get your father out? "tt2 prime minister has made trying to get your father out? tt2 prime minister has made a commitment to do everything within his power for the release of hostages. i am working together with my lawyers to press upon the government to make true on its commitment. i have not heard enough from the prime minister about what he's doing in order to help my father. i am a british citizen and my family are british. we have lived here most of our lives and as a british citizen i feel it is his responsibility to work towards the release of my father. and you would like some kind of update from him? tt is and you would like some kind of update from him?— and you would like some kind of update from him? it is one month on, 30 da s. update from him? it is one month on, 30 days- i don't _ update from him? it is one month on, 30 days. i don't know— update from him? it is one month on, 30 days. i don't know if— update from him? it is one month on, 30 days. i don't know if he's _ update from him? it is one month on, 30 days. i don't know if he's dead - 30 days. i don't know if he's dead or alive. we are talking about a humanitarian corridor. i think it's fair to say that we can also ask for a humanitarian corridorfor a humanitarian corridor for information a humanitarian corridorfor information on our loved ones. we do not know. we know he was injured and was shot but we don't know if he survived. we know he is in gaza. how do ou survived. we know he is in gaza. how do you know — survived. we know he is in gaza. how do you know your— survived. we know he is in gaza. how do you know your father was shot? survived. we know he is in gaza. howl do you know your father was shot? my do you know your father was shot? tj�*i mum told do you know your father was shot? m mum told us. do you know your father was shot? my mum told us. right. _ do you know your father was shot? my mum told us. right. and _ do you know your father was shot? my mum told us. right. and you - do you know your father was shot? my mum told us. right. and you went - do you know your father was shot? my mum told us. right. and you went to l mum told us. right. and you went to our mum told us. right. and you went to your parents's _ mum told us. right. and you went to your parents's home? _ mum told us. right. and you went to your parents's home? last _ mum told us. right. and you went to your parents's home? last thursday, 'ust before your parents's home? last thursday, just before i — your parents's home? last thursday, just before i came _ your parents's home? last thursday, just before i came back _ your parents's home? last thursday, just before i came back to _ your parents's home? last thursday, just before i came back to the - your parents's home? last thursday, just before i came back to the uk - just before i came back to the uk went to visit their home. the house was burned down, the whole kibbutz is like a nightmare. it is so beautiful still and yet some of the houses are burned, all of the houses are open. you walk into the houses, you see the bullets and the blood, qc people you loved all your life have been murdered and beheaded and shot and destroyed —— you see people you loved all your life. you see that the birds are singing and i went into my parents's house and i could hear the bombs falling on gaza, i could see the shots hitting my father through the door. the whole house is totally burned. it's so much devastation, so much sadness. so much to hold together. you must know that for me as a person, i am so sad about it. i'm sad about all this. i don't want anything in terms of avenging anyone. i don't believe in revenge, i don't believe in finding a —— i believe in finding a way forward. how do you feel when you see people taking down posters, images of the israeli hostages? i taking down posters, images of the israeli hostages?— israeli hostages? i think that as humans we _ israeli hostages? i think that as humans we must _ israeli hostages? i think that as humans we must not _ israeli hostages? i think that as humans we must not engage i israeli hostages? i think that as humans we must not engage in| israeli hostages? i think that as l humans we must not engage in a israeli hostages? i think that as - humans we must not engage in a race to the bottom. if we do not acknowledge each other�*s pain we're on the path to create more pain. what happened on the 7th of october is horrific there is no but after that sentence, it is simply horrific. taking down those posters doesn't help. i think on the other hand, revenge o

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