issue to his re—election. in fact, in a recent cnn poll, 74% of voters said they don't think he "has the stamina and the sharpness to be an effective president". i think ithink our i think our viewers probably followed that, amanda. the problem is they'll have to get out there very quickly and stake a claim to their reelection because of the moment, the only thing people are focusing on, it seems to me, are the cost of living and the president's age. it cost of living and the president's ace. , cost of living and the president's aie, , ., . cost of living and the president's ae. ,., . ., cost of living and the president's age. it is a topic of conversation, when you — age. it is a topic of conversation, when you find — age. it is a topic of conversation, when you find it _ age. it is a topic of conversation, when you find it on _ age. it is a topic of conversation, when you find it on saturday - age. it is a topic of conversation, | when you find it on saturday night live, that means people are talking about it and it also happens to be his birthday. but what they are also seeing as a president go out, talk to leaders, he was just at aipac, so the ministration and the campaign are doing a good job getting him out there. there's no doubt this is a part of the conversation and what makes it fuzzier is trump is also older in age, and you're beginning to see some of the missteps and mistakes and memorising problems — that has gray into the conversation a bit, but there is no doubt that from here on out, he's gotta start talking to young people, especially young people concerned about his foreign policy ideas and watching social media in a different kind of way. it's a different election day and how he ran last year, so you'll see more coming out of the administration making sure they shore up those young for orders because of how important the 20/20 for election is.— for election is. they got rid of 100 20s for election is. they got rid of 100 205 bit for election is. they got rid of 100 20s bit of an _ for election is. they got rid of 100 20s bit of an billion _ for election is. they got rid of 100 20s bit of an billion dollars - for election is. they got rid of 100 20s bit of an billion dollars of - 20s bit of an billion dollars of student debt that's $127 billion of student debt that's $127 billion of student debt, which is not nothing for young people, and then there's the environmental case, the inflation reduction act, all the money that's in that for the green shift. do you think at the moment, they are framing this as a him versus donald trump, when in fact what they should be focusing on is what they should be focusing on is what a second term might look like? that's right, and it's really hard to have that conversation. i'll say about student loans, it's a bit of, what have you done for me lately? but also making sure to remind people what you actually did for them, then creating that vision for them, then creating that vision for the future. it would be a little too early for any presidential campaign to do that right now, but i'm sure there are a whole heck of a lot of campaign staff putting those policies forward about what it looks like on the future. but there's always polling happening that gives you a bit of a window into what you do need to work on, and there's no doubt young people are a key target for this campaign going forward. what do you think the embassies in washington will be making of this latest nbc poll? will the alarm bells be ringing in chancellors across europe? i bells be ringing in chancellors across europe?— bells be ringing in chancellors across europe? i think so. it is re across europe? i think so. it is pretty alarming. _ across europe? i think so. it is pretty alarming, particularly i across europe? i think so. it is pretty alarming, particularly if| across europe? i think so. it is - pretty alarming, particularly if you look at _ pretty alarming, particularly if you look at how donald trump is doing in some _ look at how donald trump is doing in some of— look at how donald trump is doing in some of those swing states that will decide _ some of those swing states that will decide the _ some of those swing states that will decide the final result. and it has to he _ decide the final result. and it has to he said — decide the final result. and it has to be said thatjoe biden is not a young _ to be said thatjoe biden is not a young 81—year—old. there are other people _ young 81—year—old. there are other people of— young 81—year—old. there are other people of his age who look a lot younger— people of his age who look a lot younger than he does. yes, donald trump _ younger than he does. yes, donald trump is _ younger than he does. yes, donald trump is 77, — younger than he does. yes, donald trump is 77, but ghastly those prospects _ trump is 77, but ghastly those prospects of him coming back would be, prospects of him coming back would he, he _ prospects of him coming back would be, he looks a younger man, he is more _ be, he looks a younger man, he is more vigorous, his voice is stronger, _ more vigorous, his voice is stronger, his general demeanour is of a considerably younger man than joe biden— of a considerably younger man than joe biden and it worries me what will happen between now and this time next — will happen between now and this time next year when we have a presidential election, whetherjoe biden_ presidential election, whetherjoe biden willjust simply looked too old. biden willjust simply looked too old it's— biden willjust simply looked too old it's a — biden willjust simply looked too old. it's a difficult question and amanda will know all the risks involved — amanda will know all the risks involved much greater than i am, but whether_ involved much greater than i am, but whether the — involved much greater than i am, but whether the democrats would do better— whether the democrats would do better with a young candidate. just ruickl , do better with a young candidate. jut quickly, do you think there will already be a plan in place for how you campaign with an 81—year—old? there already is, you're seeing that a lot more of surrogates, and from the beginning, whojoe biden is has always been about the full team, like with barack obama, that's his style and that fits with someone who he can lean on to talk about the policies and future vision too, i suspect that's what we'll see more of, then little highlights about where joe of, then little highlights about wherejoe biden is leading the country in the way he is right now, and the foreign policy world. so more, the harris? is not an 81—year—old, so lots more people will surely have to be thing about the fact that he doesn't get to an end of the second term.— the fact that he doesn't get to an end of the second term. they've been doin: lots end of the second term. they've been doing lots of— end of the second term. they've been doing lots of meeting _ end of the second term. they've been doing lots of meeting here _ end of the second term. they've been doing lots of meeting here for- doing lots of meeting here for aipac, the helicopters were swirling around both, she was on one side of the bay and he was on the other, and that's very much how we are seeing the campaign from the front lines, as they are doing it together, but it really is a broader cabinet that is also out there, whether that secretary pete or secretary of hhs, and you're seeing governorships on the front line which are particularly important, like the state of michigan, where he has governor gretchen witmer out there and talk about the policies he's instituted in the policies moving forward. j’iiii instituted in the policies moving forward. �* ., ., ~ , forward. i'll have to keep practising _ forward. i'll have to keep practising pete _ forward. i'll have to keep| practising pete buttigieg's forward. i'll have to keep - practising pete buttigieg's name if he's going to be on the campaign train all the way through. for 85 days starting in february of last year, the city of mariupol in southern ukraine turned into a living hell. under siege by russian missiles and artillery, the people of the city were bombarded night and day as the tanks closed in around them. and among those trapped were a team of ukrainian ap journalists, who dug in and continued their work documenting the atrocities of the russian invasion. as the only international reporters who remained in the city, they captured the full horror of what unfolded. that footage has now been made into a feature film — 20 days in mariupol. it has already picked up a number of awards, including — at the sundance film festival — the audience award for best world documentary. here is a snippet. this is the first time i saw a z. the russian sign of war. the hospital is surrounded. dozens of doctors, hundreds of patients, and us. i have no illusions about what will happen to us if we are caught. the documentary is available digitally from wednesday, and i'm pleased to say the director and journalist behind the film, mstyslav chernov, joins me now. thank you very much for being here. having done some more reporting in my time, there's always a point in the field where you have to decide whether you stay or go. when did you make the decision to stay, and where is there ever a moment where you question that decision? j is there ever a moment where you question that decision?— question that decision? i think the decision was _ question that decision? i think the decision was made _ question that decision? i think the decision was made even _ question that decision? i think the decision was made even before i question that decision? i think the | decision was made even before the siege _ decision was made even before the siege was— decision was made even before the siege was in— decision was made even before the siege was in place _ decision was made even before the siege was in place. just _ decision was made even before the siege was in place. just by- decision was made even before the siege was in place. just by lookingl siege was in place. just by looking at the _ siege was in place. just by looking at the map— siege was in place. just by looking at the map and— siege was in place. just by looking at the map and how _ siege was in place. just by looking at the map and how close - 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to stay as long as possible. that decision was made before, then| to stay as long as possible. that. decision was made before, then we 'ust decision was made before, then we just had _ decision was made before, then we just had to — decision was made before, then we just had to stick— decision was made before, then we just had to stick with _ decision was made before, then we just had to stick with it _ decision was made before, then we just had to stick with it and - just had to stick with it and survive _ just had to stick with it and survive. ., _ . , ., survive. you say in the clip that we've just _ survive. you say in the clip that we've just seen _ survive. you say in the clip that we've just seen that _ survive. you say in the clip that we've just seen that you - survive. you say in the clip that we've just seen that you knew i survive. you say in the clip that - we've just seen that you knew what the implications were, so how did you operate and document this for so long without the russians catching you? long without the russians catching ou? �* , �* you? here's the thing - 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possible. your work is truly extraordinary, we are - possible. your work is truly - extraordinary, we are watching some of the pictures — people need a record of what happened, how important do you think what you documented in mariupol will be? you know, as a news cameraman, i see what's _ know, as a news cameraman, i see what's happening _ know, as a news cameraman, i see what's happening to— know, as a news cameraman, i see what's happening to even - know, as a news cameraman, i see what's happening to even the - know, as a news cameraman, i see what's happening to even the mostj what's happening to even the most important. — what's happening to even the most important. the _ what's happening to even the most important, the most _ what's happening to even the most important, the most tragic, - what's happening to even the most important, the most tragic, or- what's happening to even the most i important, the most tragic, or happy for that— important, the most tragic, or happy for that matter. _ important, the most tragic, or happy for that matter, moments _ important, the most tragic, or happy for that matter, moments in - 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like a documentary or book. so it is vitally— like a documentary or book. so it is vitally important— like a documentary or book. so it is vitally important to _ like a documentary or book. so it is vitally important to preserve - like a documentary or book. so it is vitally important to preserve a - vitally important to preserve a tragedy— vitally important to preserve a tragedy of— vitally important to preserve a tragedy of mariupol, - vitally important to preserve a tragedy of mariupol, to - vitally important to preserve a tragedy of mariupol, to makel vitally important to preserve a i tragedy of mariupol, to make a vitally important to preserve a - tragedy of mariupol, to make a film about— tragedy of mariupol, to make a film about it _ tragedy of mariupol, to make a film about it - _ tragedy of mariupol, to make a film about it - but— tragedy of mariupol, to make a film about it — but also, _ tragedy of mariupol, to make a film about it — but also, again, - tragedy of mariupol, to make a film about it — but also, again, we - 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misinterpretation. everyone will know the name because we've l misinterpretation. everyone will - know the name because we've covered it for so long, and they will know so much more about it after they watch your film, and they'll be bound to ask what the situation is now, and how important is that city as to what happens next. 50 now, and how important is that city as to what happens next.— now, and how important is that city as to what happens next. so from my pempective. — as to what happens next. so from my pempective. it _ as to what happens next. so from my pempective. it is _ as to what happens next. so from my perspective, it is crucially _ perspective, it is crucially important _ perspective, it is crucially important that _ perspective, it is crucially important that the - perspective, it is crucially important that the city. perspective, it is crucially - important that the city should be liberated — important that the city should be liberated as _ important that the city should be liberated as soon _ important that the city should be liberated as soon as _ important that the city should be liberated as soon as possible, i liberated as soon as possible, because — liberated as soon as possible, because we _ liberated as soon as possible, because we are _ liberated as soon as possible, because we are talking - liberated as soon as possible, because we are talking abouti because we are talking about thousands— because we are talking about thousands of— because we are talking about thousands of possible - because we are talking about thousands of possible war. because we are talking about - thousands of possible war crimes. and they— thousands of possible war crimes. and they can— thousands of possible war crimes. and they can only _ thousands of possible war crimes. and they can only be _ thousands of possible war crimes. and they can only be investigated| and they can only be investigated when _ and they can only be investigated when investigators— and they can only be investigated when investigators have - and they can only be investigated when investigators have access i and they can only be investigatedj when investigators have access to and they can only be investigated . when investigators have access to a place _ when investigators have access to a place where — when investigators have access to a place where the _ when investigators have access to a place where the crime _ when investigators have access to a place where the crime took - when investigators have access to a place where the crime took place, i place where the crime took place, where _ place where the crime took place, where they— place where the crime took place, where they have _ place where the crime took place, where they have access _ place where the crime took place, where they have access to - place where the crime took place, j where they have access to bodies. place where the crime took place, i where they have access to bodies. so all the _ where they have access to bodies. so all the evidence _ where they have access to bodies. so all the evidence is— where they have access to bodies. so all the evidence is currently- where they have access to bodies. so all the evidence is currently being - all the evidence is currently being destroyed — all the evidence is currently being destroyed as _ all the evidence is currently being destroyed as the _ all the evidence is currently being destroyed as the city _ all the evidence is currently being destroyed as the city is _ all the evidence is currently being destroyed as the city is occupied. | destroyed as the city is occupied. also it _ destroyed as the city is occupied. also it is — destroyed as the city is occupied. also it is symbolic— destroyed as the city is occupied. also it is symbolic as _ destroyed as the city is occupied. also it is symbolic as a _ destroyed as the city is occupied. also it is symbolic as a city - also it is symbolic as a city that resisted — also it is symbolic as a city that resisted for _ also it is symbolic as a city that resisted for so _ also it is symbolic as a city that resisted for so long. _ also it is symbolic as a city that resisted for so long. so - also it is symbolic as a city that resisted for so long. so there . also it is symbolic as a city that i resisted for so long. so there are many— resisted for so long. so there are many levels. _ resisted for so long. so there are many levels, but _ resisted for so long. so there are many levels, but people - resisted for so long. so there are many levels, but people who - many levels, but people who remained in mariupol, _ many levels, but people who remained in mariupol, those _ many levels, but people who remained in mariupol, those people _ many levels, but people who remained in mariupol, those people who - many levels, but people who remained in mariupol, those people who did - in mariupol, those people who did not give _ in mariupol, those people who did not give up — in mariupol, those people who did not give up their— in mariupol, those people who did not give up their ukrainian- in mariupol, those people who did | not give up their ukrainian identity - i not give up their ukrainian identity - i keep— not give up their ukrainian identity - i keep speaking _ not give up their ukrainian identity — i keep speaking to— not give up their ukrainian identity — i keep speaking to them, - not give up their ukrainian identity — i keep speaking to them, we - not give up their ukrainian identity. — i keep speaking to them, we keep connected _ — i keep speaking to them, we keep connected - — — i keep speaking to them, we keep connected — they are _ — i keep speaking to them, we keep connected — they are still— — i keep speaking to them, we keep connected — they are still trapped . connected — they are still trapped there. _ connected — they are still trapped there. those _ connected — they are still trapped there, those people _ connected — they are still trapped there, those people who- connected — they are still trapped there, those people who don't . connected — they are still trapped . there, those people who don't have ukrainian _ there, those people who don't have ukrainian passports _ there, those people who don't have ukrainian passports can't _ there, those people who don't have ukrainian passports can't leave, - ukrainian passports can't leave, it's basically— ukrainian passports can't leave, it's basically a _ ukrainian passports can't leave, it's basically a ghetto. - ukrainian passports can't leave, it's basically a ghetto. and - ukrainian passports can't leave, . it's basically a ghetto. and beyond mariupol, — it's basically a ghetto. and beyond mariupol, there _ it's basically a ghetto. and beyond mariupol, there are _ it's basically a ghetto. and beyond mariupol, there are so— it's basically a ghetto. and beyond mariupol, there are so many- it's basically a ghetto. and beyond mariupol, there are so many cities being _ mariupol, there are so many cities being destroyed _ mariupol, there are so many cities being destroyed exactly— mariupol, there are so many cities being destroyed exactly in - mariupol, there are so many cities being destroyed exactly in the - mariupol, there are so many cities. being destroyed exactly in the same way as— being destroyed exactly in the same way as mariupol _ being destroyed exactly in the same way as mariupol was. _ being destroyed exactly in the same way as mariupol was. it’s _ being destroyed exactly in the same way as mariupol was.— being destroyed exactly in the same way as mariupol was. it's an amazing film, congratulations _ way as mariupol was. it's an amazing film, congratulations on _ way as mariupol was. it's an amazing film, congratulations on your- way as mariupol was. it's an amazing film, congratulations on your awards | film, congratulations on your awards and thanks for coming on the programme. and thanks for coming on the programme-— and thanks for coming on the rouramme. . ~ i. . defence secretary lloyd austin has made a surprise visit to kyiv. the counteroffensive in ukraine has been overshadowed in many respects by the ongoing war between israel and hamas. butjoe biden making it clear at the weekend in that washington post op—ed we were discussing earlier that ukraine can continue to count on his support. "both putin and hamas are fighting to wipe a neighboring democracy off the map," he wrote. "both putin and hamas hope to collapse broader regional stability and integration and take advantage of the ensuing disorder. america cannot, and will not, let that happen. for our own national security interests, and for the good of the entire world." that will certainly be the case as long as he's in the white house, amanda. i thought it was interesting, did you not, that he compares vladimir putin with hamas? not interesting, but intentional. certainly these things are happening in tandem, and you're seeing the fights with congress that say they should be together. so this has been a long held strategy by this administration to notjust talk about what's happening in russia and ukraine, but actually the fight for democracy, saving democracy, saving the soul of america, including democracy here as well as around the world. so very much fits with his underlying central message from when he first ran and where his presidency as well as the campaign going forward. presidency as well as the campaign going forward-— going forward. lloyd austin talking about air cover _ going forward. lloyd austin talking about air cover and _ going forward. lloyd austin talking about air cover and munitions - going forward. lloyd austin talking | about air cover and munitions which clearly is a key issue for kyiv. around the world and across the uk, this is bbc news. bbc news — bringing you different stories from across the uk. cyber technology has become embedded in our daily lives, our phones, our cars, how our data is processed. it's constantly evolving but brings security risks, as well — to the public, businesses, the government. the north—west is now at the heart of the cyber economy, and at this careers event, schoolchildren have been practising the skills needed to develop cyber technology and take on the threats it poses. it was a lot of fun, but the skills that we need is to persevere and to communicate. do you think something like this would be good as a job later on? yeah. the north—west is becoming a cyber corridor, stretching from manchester through to preston, and on to lancaster. manchester has the government's intelligence agency hub, while preston has businesses like bae systems, and will have the national cyber force protecting the country from cyber attacks. for more stories from across the uk, head to the bbc news website. you're live with bbc news. now it's time for the panel. david, you have a letter in the times at tomorrow about the supreme court's ruling on the rwanda policy. you said, "defeat it in court is no reason to... you said, "defeat it in court is no reason to- - -_ you said, "defeat it in court is no reason to... �*, ., , ., , ., , reason to... there's a summary on my iece, reason to... there's a summary on my piece. and _ reason to... there's a summary on my piece, and essentially _ reason to... there's a summary on my piece, and essentially it _ reason to... there's a summary on my piece, and essentially it flows - reason to... there's a summary on my piece, and essentially it flows from . piece, and essentially it flows from the reaction from elements of the conservative party and others on the i’i l ht conservative party and others on the right to _ conservative party and others on the right to the — conservative party and others on the right to the supreme court judgment in respect _ right to the supreme court judgment in respect of the rwanda a silent —— asylum _ in respect of the rwanda a silent —— asylum claimants scheme. we are hearing _ asylum claimants scheme. we are hearing reactions about, and one case: _ hearing reactions about, and one case, simply ignore the law, in either— case, simply ignore the law, in either case, we must close down any le-al either case, we must close down any legal redress, any objections, we should _ legal redress, any objections, we should leave the european convention on human _ should leave the european convention on human rights, scrap the human rights— on human rights, scrap the human rights act, — on human rights, scrap the human rights act, and also get rid of lots of other— rights act, and also get rid of lots of other bits of legislation. in the point _ of other bits of legislation. in the point i'm — of other bits of legislation. in the point i'm making is that that would be the _ point i'm making is that that would be the wrong response, that that would _ be the wrong response, that that would place the uk in a pretty miserable club, along with the russia — miserable club, along with the russia and belarus is the only european _ russia and belarus is the only european nations not part of the european — european nations not part of the european convention on human rights. in european convention on human rights. in the _ european convention on human rights. in the attack— european convention on human rights. in the attack on the rule of law and legal— in the attack on the rule of law and legal institutions is the last thing that the — legal institutions is the last thing that the conservative party should be undertaking, and really wanting to make _ be undertaking, and really wanting to make that argument. i know there are some _ to make that argument. i know there are some within government who are also making — are some within government who are also making that argument, who are urging _ also making that argument, who are urging caution here, but it's clearly— urging caution here, but it's clearly a _ urging caution here, but it's clearly a live issue within government, the times are reporting... white matches very quickly, — reporting... white matches very quickly, david, do you sense within the government, although rishi sunak is talkin: the government, although rishi sunak is talking about _ the government, although rishi sunak is talking about this _ the government, although rishi sunak is talking about this again, _ is talking about this again, actually the mood has shifted on this particular debate? jn actually the mood has shifted on this particular debate?— actually the mood has shifted on this particular debate? in the end, i exect this particular debate? in the end, i expect rishi _ this particular debate? in the end, i expect rishi sunak _ this particular debate? in the end, i expect rishi sunak to _ this particular debate? in the end, i expect rishi sunak to not - this particular debate? in the end, i expect rishi sunak to not go - this particular debate? in the end, i expect rishi sunak to not go with the most _ i expect rishi sunak to not go with the most radical options or pursue a policy— the most radical options or pursue a policy of— the most radical options or pursue a policy of leaving the european convention on human rights. it does create _ convention on human rights. it does create problems with northern ireland — create problems with northern ireland and so on, but there clearly is a live _ ireland and so on, but there clearly is a live discussion within the government. is a live discussion within the government-— is a live discussion within the rovernment. , ~ ., ., , ., government. interesting. amanda, you wanted to talk — government. interesting. amanda, you wanted to talk about _ government. interesting. amanda, you wanted to talk about rosalynn - wanted to talk about rosalynn carter, who died aged 96 over the weekend — but use specifically wanted to talk about her work on mental health secular she used her platform as first lady to really begin that conversation about d stigmatizing mental health. one of the things she would often sat; stigmatizing mental health. one of the things she would often- the things she would often say is," i actuall the things she would often say is," i actually want _ the things she would often say is," i actually want to _ the things she would often say is," i actually want to live _ the things she would often say is," i actually want to live in _ the things she would often say is," i actually want to live in a - the things she would often say is," i actually want to live in a time - i actually want to live in a time when we see us talk about mental health as anything else, not as a stigma, and we can start to address mental health in a real way in this country." and she made a heck of a lot of effort, and i thank her, and many of the democrats but also americans in general, for her work in saying that allowed, and today we do have policies on mental health parity and making a better effort towards d stigmatizing mental health. so as we see her pass, she truly left a fantastic legacy for all of us on talking through mental health issues.— all of us on talking through mental health issues. incredible marriage, 77 ears, health issues. incredible marriage, 77 years. they _ health issues. incredible marriage, 77 years, they were _ health issues. incredible marriage, 77 years, they were married. - health issues. incredible marriage, 77 years, they were married. isn'tl 77 years, they were married. isn't that amazing was yellow that is amazing, that's part of mental health too, frankly! it might suffer over that period of time, and some marriages. lovely to have your company this evening, thanks for keeping me sane tonight. we'll be back tomorrow same time, see you for that. good night. good evening. england might already be group winners, but their qualification campaign for next summer's euro 2024 has ended with a disappointing one all draw in macedonia tonight. 18—year—old rico lewis was making his senior debut and after half an hour, he conceded a penalty here because of his arm. jordan pickford made the save, but enis bardhi gave his side the lead from the rebound. jack grealish had a goal ruled out by var, but an england corner resulted in an own goal which brought them level. 1—1 it remained with england ending their campaign top of group c, and they will be one of the top seeds in the draw. in the same group, current european champions italy will be in germany next summer to defend their trophy — but only just. a goalless draw against ukraine in their final match was enough to see them finish on the same amount of points as ukraine — but they go through with a better head to head record. after a dismal campaign, northern ireland ended their qualification on high this evening. they beat the group winners denmark 2—0 in belfast — dion charles with their second. northern ireland do still finish the campaign second from bottom in their group, having wonjust three of their ten matches. elsewhere, slovenia beat kazakhstan 2—1 to book their place in next year's finals. they'll be joined by the czech republic who beat moldova 3—0. results and reaction are on the bbc sport website. wales trained on monday, a day before their must—win final euro 2024 group d qualifier against already—qualified turkey, which will take place at the cardiff city stadium. not only must robert page's side defeat turkey on tuesday, they must also hope croatia lose or draw to armenia on the same night. wales currently sit in third place in their group, five points behind turkey and two points back from croatia, with one round of group fixtures remaining. if we continue to talk of playoffs, we'll just call the if we continue to talk of playoffs, we'lljust call the game off on tuesday. that's our mentality and attitude. we are fully focused on the job we got. you just spoke about regrets, we don't want any regrets on that final whistle blows tomorrow evening, because we want to take control of it ourselves. the last thing we want is to not give a level of performance we give to croatia. that would be a devastating blow for us to take. so we can control what we can control, and that's for us to give a performance that will win us the game. this time last year, the men's world cup in qatar began, which, if you'll remember, had to be moved to the winter months there because of the high temperatures. the men's european football injury index found that the premier league had the second highest number of injuries across europe, behind the german bundesliga, during the season that was impacted by that world cup. the author of the report for howden, james burrows, has been telling us why those leagues were impacted more than others. i think there's a couple factors behind that. when you look at participant levels in the world cup, so the number of players in percentage terms that went to play in the world cup, the premier league contributed the most players in the top five leagues, so just over 23% of players playing in the premier league went to represent their country at the world cup finals. now for the other four leagues, though representation were between 9—14%, so very simple, the premier league are sending more players to the world cup final, so therefore it's a pretty clear line of argument that they'll see more injuries being sustained. one of the passes we've seen through all these reports as well is that the premier league tends to compare unfavorably to the other leagues, in terms of the number of injuries which are sustained, and they tend to be up there with the bundesliga. so perhaps the style of play as contributing as well, so the bend is ego and premier league being more associated with high intensity, higher pressing styles of football, the on the other european leaks, and many would argue this is the type of football being played and the intensity is being played out would also contribute to the number of injuries being sustained. straight from winning a record seventh atp finals title the world number one, novak djokovic, has arrived in malaga for the davis cup finals. the 2a time grand slam champion is there to face quarterfinal opponents great britain on thursday. he was greeted by former player — now tournament director — feliciano lopes. djokovic, who's won all major titles this year except wimbledon, is hoping to lead serbia to the men's team prize for the first time since 2010. and that's all the sport for now. goodbye. hello there, good evening. it was quite a mixed picture weather—wise on monday — blustery in the west with some brighter spells here and there. also some showers, but always plenty of cloud, too, particularly across england and wales by the end of the day. now, overnight tonight, with high pressure out towards the west, it will start to build in across northern ireland and scotland, so the skies will begin to clear and with those clear skies, then temperatures will drop low enough for a bit of frost, perhaps an airfrost, i think for sheltered glens of scotland, away from the strength of the breeze — —2—3 celsius. watch out for some mist and fog developing through the night as well, but cloudier and milder across england and wales. now, if we take a look at the pressure chart again, with the high pressure out towards the west, it will extend its way further eastwards as we head through the day on tuesday. so a gradual improvement for many, even with the cloudy starts and outbreaks of rain across parts of east anglia and kent as we head through the morning. that should gradually, gradually clear up and there will be some sunny spells emerging here. the early showers also clearing from pembrokeshire and down towards the south—west of england, too. so lots of sunshine starting to emerge. hazy sunshine for much of scotland. the mist and fog slow to lift and clear. temperatures a little lower than on monday, and it will cloud over with milder air and some outbreaks of rain across the highlands as we head towards the end of the day. that's because there's a warm front coming through the night on tuesday and into wednesday. so temperatures slowly rising through the night. we're starting off wednesday with outbreaks of rain across western scotland, gradually pushing eastwards. coastal gales from a brisk westerly for scotland. and it's still blustery further south too, but it should be largely dry for england, wales and perhaps northern ireland. we're staying in that milder air temperatures 11—14 celsius, but it's going to be turning colder. hot on the heels of the warm front will be a cold front sinking southwards throughout the day on thursday, there'll be wintry showers even to lower levels across parts of scotland. that cold front sitting across northern ireland by the end of the afternoon, still in the milder air towards the south where it will again be largely dry. now as we head through friday, we're all into those colder feeling conditions. so there'll be a drop in temperature as we head through friday and the weekend. there'll also be some rather widespread frosts i think on friday night and into saturday. so still in the milder air for the moment, but by the end of the week turning a lot colder. bye for now. tonight at ten. the covid inquiry hears from the government's former chief scientific adviser, sir patrick vallance, that borisjohnson was bamboozled by graphs and data. i think i'm right in saying that the prime minister at the time gave up science when he was 15 and i think he'd be the first to admit it wasn't his forte. and he did struggle with some of the concepts. and he said it was obvious rishi sunak�*s eat out to help out scheme would increase covid transmission — scientists didn't know about it until it was announced. are tax cuts on their way? the prime minister indicates for the first time that both business and workers could soon benefit. president biden says he believes a hostage deal between hamas and israel is near — we'll be finding out how it might work. here comes the england corner... and dating! and harry kane enables england to salvage a draw in north macedonia to end their euro qualifiers as unbeaten group winners. and on newsnight at 10.30, we'll go deeper behind the headlines and speak live to key players on today's big stories. plus, we take a first look at what's on tomorrow's front pages. good evening.