couple of hours. it seems to days releases and exchanges, that appears to be progressing. we know now an extension of the cease—fire for the next couple of days. extension of the cease-fire for the next couple of days.— next couple of days. that's right, everything _ next couple of days. that's right, everything things _ next couple of days. that's right, everything things come _ next couple of days. that's right, everything things come together| next couple of days. that's right, i everything things come together in the last hour. two different threads we're talking about today. first of all, the release of further hostages today, which was always planned under the fourth day of this four day deal as it originally was. there was a delay once again today, the israeli prime ministers office early in their day there was still in negotiations going on about the list of hostages which was due to be released. that in turn delayed the list of prisoners to be released from actually being published. those two things normally happen on the same day. the hostage list is private and kept secret until those people return back. the prisoners list is publicly published before the palestinian detainees are released for that we see in this delay but it looks like everything is now back on track. confirmation from israel in the last hour we expect very soon those hostages inside israel to be handed over to the red cross that they have been of the red cross that they have been of the last few days, to be brought out of gaza for the probably again into egypt and then returned to israel. once that is confirmed we see the palestinian prisoners being held in israel he jailed release. normally it is 13 hostages for 39 prisoners. we see those palestinians being returned to their friends and family as well. that was thread number one. the second, the news we've heard in the last half hour that this four day deal has been extended for an additional two days. we had a statement confirming that from hamas. i think crucially we've had the statement from qatar, from the ministry of foreign affairs. they have been the main broker of this deal. they are the ones who have the talks with both sides because israel and hamas don't have any kind of diplomatic relationship with each other. catarrh are very much the people who tell us what is going on. they have confirmed that for two further days that deal will be extended under the same terms we've seen so far. that should meet on paper i continuing cease—fire. no fighting in gaza. additional humanitarian aid, more than 200 trucks passing in the foot of a small number of trucks carrying fuel. the release of probably if we're looking at the terms 13 israeli hostages in return for 39 palestinian prisoners released from israeli jails. we've been talking about what a difficult weight this has been for hostage families. many we've been speaking to, many you've heard from here on bbc news. i want to introduce you to galilee, you have a slightly differentjob. you're from the hostages of missing families forum. this particular family are holding the placard for, they don't have any family here in israel at all to speak for them, to advocate for them, to do these interviews. advocate for them, to do these interviews-— advocate for them, to do these interviews. ., ., ., ., ., interviews. you are doing that now. that is correct. _ interviews. you are doing that now. that is correct. the _ interviews. you are doing that now. that is correct. the family - that is correct. the family emigrated from russia to israel about_ emigrated from russia to israel about 25— emigrated from russia to israel about 25 years ago. now this is a very— about 25 years ago. now this is a very humble and amazing family. you can see _ very humble and amazing family. you can see here — very humble and amazing family. you can see here a grandmother, a mother, — can see here a grandmother, a mother, the mothers son sasha and his girlfriend. the father of the family— his girlfriend. the father of the family was murdered. all four of them _ family was murdered. all four of them are — family was murdered. all four of them are kidnapped into gaza. they have an _ them are kidnapped into gaza. they have an amazing group of friends standing — have an amazing group of friends standing up forthem have an amazing group of friends standing up for them for that i have joined _ standing up for them for that i have joined this— standing up for them for that i have joined this group in order to give more _ joined this group in order to give more support. its joined this group in order to give more sunport-— joined this group in order to give more support. as far as you know this is the — more support. as far as you know this is the only _ more support. as far as you know this is the only family _ more support. as far as you know this is the only family who - this is the only family who have been held hostage in gaza who don't have any family members at all to actually speak about them. that is correct to the _ actually speak about them. that is correct to the best _ actually speak about them. that is correct to the best of _ actually speak about them. that is correct to the best of my - actually speak about them. that is i correct to the best of my knowledge this is— correct to the best of my knowledge this is the _ correct to the best of my knowledge this is the only family that has no members — this is the only family that has no members left here in israel to stand up members left here in israel to stand up for— members left here in israel to stand up for them. i will say that the spirit _ up for them. i will say that the spirit of— up for them. i will say that the spirit of unity here is quite amazing _ spirit of unity here is quite amazing. where i work the hostages of missing _ amazing. where i work the hostages of missing families forum is every day in _ of missing families forum is every day in tel— of missing families forum is every day in tel aviv about 500 volunteers coming _ day in tel aviv about 500 volunteers coming together to release all hostages in a nonpolitical humanitarian way. in they are a part of this— humanitarian way. in they are a part of this mosaic of people. if i can i would _ of this mosaic of people. if i can i would like — of this mosaic of people. if i can i would like to tell you a bit about them _ would like to tell you a bit about them. they emigrated to israel about 25 years _ them. they emigrated to israel about 25 years ago. the grandmother is a doctor lry— 25 years ago. the grandmother is a doctor by training, the mother is working — doctor by training, the mother is working in— doctor by training, the mother is working in a paint factory and i think— working in a paint factory and i think is— working in a paint factory and i think is quite indicative because she brings a lot of colour into this world _ she brings a lot of colour into this world she — she brings a lot of colour into this world. she feeds stray cats and she helps _ world. she feeds stray cats and she helps her_ world. she feeds stray cats and she helps her friends and the last russian — helps her friends and the last russian holidays she brought all of the office _ russian holidays she brought all of the office to celebrate. her son is also an— the office to celebrate. her son is also an amazing person, he works in high-tech_ also an amazing person, he works in high—tech photo he came to israel when _ high—tech photo he came to israel when he _ high—tech photo he came to israel when he about four. i spoke to his kindergarten teacher he learned hebrew very quickly and got along with all the kids. he studied engineering and now he's working in high—tech. he studied engineering and now he's working in high-tech.— working in high-tech. he drinks coffee. working in high-tech. he drinks coffee- we _ working in high-tech. he drinks coffee. we made _ working in high-tech. he drinks coffee. we made this _ working in high-tech. he drinks coffee. we made this into - working in high-tech. he drinks coffee. we made this into an i working in high-tech. he drinks - coffee. we made this into an event. sasha _ coffee. we made this into an event. sasha accadi, every day at three people _ sasha accadi, every day at three people from all over the world come together, _ people from all over the world come together, drink coffee for sasha in order— together, drink coffee for sasha in order to _ together, drink coffee for sasha in order to bring awareness to his story— order to bring awareness to his story and — order to bring awareness to his story and bring all the hostages back— story and bring all the hostages back home. his girlfriend, a bit younger— back home. his girlfriend, a bit younger than back home. his girlfriend, a bit youngerthan him, back home. his girlfriend, a bit younger than him, about a year younger— younger than him, about a year younger is _ younger than him, about a year younger is also working in high—tech. she also deserves of course — high—tech. she also deserves of course to— high—tech. she also deserves of course to come home as does everybody all the hostages. thank ou for everybody all the hostages. thank you for telling _ everybody all the hostages. thank you for telling us _ everybody all the hostages. thank you for telling us about _ everybody all the hostages. thank you for telling us about them. - everybody all the hostages. thank you for telling us about them. i i you for telling us about them. i really appreciate it. from the hostages of missing families forum. a reminder, an indication of... we talk about hostages being released and we know that those families of the hostages being released this evening have only had a call in the last few hours to let them know their relatives around the layers. we know there hostage families who know that their loved ones will not be coming out as part of this deal. i think interesting bear, as he was explaining there is this family who don't have anybody to advocate for them, to tell the world about them and their situation. that is very much with he and the farm are doing. while the hostage families continue to wait, we were talking about the element of the deal, also the release of palestinian prisoners. the key part of this is the humanitarian situation in gaza as well. the cease—fire, the pause and fighting for four days we've seen now has given palestinians in gaza the opportunity to try and go back to their homes to see if they are still standing, try and get some of their possessions. my colleague in gaza sent us this update on what life is like in the territory during the cease—fire period. as you can see, the weather is rainy and very cold. there are tens of thousands of people living in tents like these across the gaza strip. they are weak and i have seen many of them fly open because of heavy winds. displaced families cannot find winter clothing or covers to keep their children warm at night. i saw many of them go back to their destroyed homes to look for old clothes and blankets covers under the rubble. they aid coming into gaza during the ceasefire does not include clothing. conditions here are very bad, especially for children. people here also worry that the war could restart tomorrow. they hope that the ceasefire would be extended as many of them are tired after around 50 days of war and suffering. as we now know the cease—fire has been extended for an extra two days under the same terms and conditions as the existing deal. i'm sure the talks will continue to see if that can be further extended beyond bad. in foster in tel aviv, thank you once again. let's stick to the former director general of the israeli ministry for strategic affairs for the former head of research at the idf intelligent. thank you for being here on the program. a quick reaction first of all to the news that the cease—fire will be extended for a couple of days and also by the end of today it looks like israel will have retrieved 50 hostages put up your thoughts on both of those things. edit thoughts on both of those things. of course we're happy to see our hostages coming back from captivity. just to think about the savages that abduct children, totally beyond my comprehension. that's what's happened to them and i'm so happy to see them coming back. we pay a price for them. we can have their result of paying this price, let it be. that's the situation and i'm happy it's been extended for two days so we should be able to release plenty more hostages from as well. that's a good sign. we have to be sure that 1's this extension is over, even if it is extended for a couple more days, military operations are going to resume. because once you remind yourself what happened on october seven you understand there is no other way but to eliminate hamas in gaza. ., ., �* ~' other way but to eliminate hamas in gaza. ., ., �* ~ ., ., , other way but to eliminate hamas in gaza. ., ~ ., ., , gaza. you don't think that any sort of ause gaza. you don't think that any sort of pause should _ gaza. you don't think that any sort of pause should last _ gaza. you don't think that any sort of pause should last more - gaza. you don't think that any sort of pause should last more than a l of pause should last more than a couple of extra days? because potentially we could move to other categories, elderly man could be offered up. are you saying they should not consider further extensions after we have this extra 48 hours? ., ., ., , ., 48 hours? no. the agreement was that this can be extended _ 48 hours? no. the agreement was that this can be extended to _ 48 hours? no. the agreement was that this can be extended to ten _ 48 hours? no. the agreement was that this can be extended to ten days. - 48 hours? no. the agreement was that this can be extended to ten days. if - this can be extended to ten days. if they are ready to release more people, that's great. we should be happy to release more people and extend a pause for a couple more days, no problem. what i'm saying is none the pause is over, whether it six days or eight days doesn't matter. once it's over we should go back to our military operations and make sure that hamas is eliminated. there is always in open option for hamas to give up. and to surrender. we're concerned that he won't to say that the operation of gaza suffering as they have in the previous person speaking about the suffering of the people in gaza. this could be taken care of very easily from hamas surrender. care of very easily from hamas surrender-— care of very easily from hamas surrender. ~ , ., , , surrender. when israel says they will resume _ surrender. when israel says they will resume their _ surrender. when israel says they will resume their war _ surrender. when israel says they will resume their war after - surrender. when israel says they will resume their war after this i will resume their war after this pause however long it is with full force, what do you imagine or understand full force to be? we have a very clear — understand full force to be? we have a very clear plan- _ understand full force to be? we have a very clear plan. we _ understand full force to be? we have a very clear plan. we have _ understand full force to be? we have a very clear plan. we have to - understand full force to be? we have a very clear plan. we have to finish i a very clear plan. we have to finish taking the northern part of gaza, the three neighbourhood still that we have not taken control of. once we have not taken control of. once we do that we should move to the salt part of gaza. —— the southern part of gaza. eunice, rough and other locations. that is the plan and we have a very strong force for doing that. and we're using the air force in the navy and ground forces together in order to guarantee that we do it systematically, cautiously, orderly, trying to avoid any damage to the palestinian civilians. isn't that almost impossible? if that 1.7 million people crammed into the cell. if you go with full force that is the quote being used, president biden behind the scenes apparently very worried about the potential for a lot of civilian casualties. we're doing our best. hamas hides behind them and uses them as human shields with up in the hospitals they can to hide and use it for their military purposes. sometimes it gives us without any other option. we're asking the people of gaza in the northern part to move to the south. we're asking them, we're helping them to save themselves. sure now auoin them to save themselves. sure now going south — them to save themselves. sure now going south where _ them to save themselves. sure now going south where you _ them to save themselves. sure now going south where you expect - them to save themselves. sure now going south where you expect them| them to save themselves. sure now i going south where you expect them to go? israel is talked about an area west of con eunice. let me tell you with the british government has set in the last little while, british quote serious problems for the idea of save souls being created for people in southern gaza. that's just come from the foreign office minister andrew mitchell. he references rwanda, talking about real worries when he hears that phrase of safe zones being used. save zones, we provide real safe zones. these are really safe zones and nothing happens to the people there in the country. they get the humanitarian support and assistance and they don't have to worry when they are there.— they are there. they talked about tin area they are there. they talked about tiny area with _ they are there. they talked about tiny area with absolutely - they are there. they talked about tiny area with absolutely no - tiny area with absolutely no infrastructure that you are trying to get 1.7 million people into. in their view it simply doesn't make sense. . ., . their view it simply doesn't make sense. _, . i. their view it simply doesn't make sense. . ~ �* their view it simply doesn't make sense. . . �* ., sense. let me correct you. we're not t in: to sense. let me correct you. we're not trying to get _ sense. let me correct you. we're not trying to get anybody _ sense. let me correct you. we're not trying to get anybody there. - sense. let me correct you. we're not trying to get anybody there. we - trying to get anybody there. we offer hamas to give up and surrender and save the people and save everything that still stands in gaza. that's what we're working off of hamas. they surrender... you talkin: of hamas. they surrender... you talking about _ of hamas. they surrender... you talking about him _ of hamas. they surrender... you talking about him ask of you not talking about him ask of you not talking about him ask of you not talking about ordinary palestinian people and that's what i'm talking about. we people and that's what i'm talking about. ~ ., �* ., ., , people and that's what i'm talking about. ., �* ., ., , ., ., , about. we don't do anything against palestinian people. _ about. we don't do anything against palestinian people. we _ about. we don't do anything against palestinian people. we fight - about. we don't do anything against| palestinian people. we fight hamas. we offer hamas to surrender. if they surrender they will make sure... i’m surrender they will make sure... i'm askin: surrender they will make sure... i'm asking you — surrender they will make sure... i'm asking you how to surrender palestinian ordinary people? i'm asking you what happens if hamas do not surrender to ordinary palestinian people, where they're supposed to go, how safe they would potentially be?— potentially be? basically, we told them where _ potentially be? basically, we told them where they _ potentially be? basicall