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BBCNEWS BBC July 2, 2024



hello, i'm anna foster. south africa's governing party has two weeks to form a coalition, after losing its outright majority for the first time in 30 years. with almost all the votes now counted from wednesday's election, the anc stands at around 40% — a sharp drop from almost 58% in 2019. the anc has accepted the result and, as the anc, what is foremost now in our mind are two things. one is the fact that there is a clear protest from our people. our people are saying we love the anc, but the anc must self—correct. we have already started that programme of organisation. i think we need to fast—track that. we must no longer only speak about it, acting against corruption, we must be seen as doing that. we must be seen as giving our people the service. that is the message that our people have said to us and it's a message we have received loud and clear. catherine byaruhanga is injohannesburg. this really is going to be a shock for the anc, the fact that it is just one 40% of the vote share compared to nearly 58% at the last elections back in 2019. leading up to these elections there was an expectation that the anc would lose its majority, perhaps 2% or 1%, getting about 48% or 49% of the vote, but it is down to 40% according to the election results we have at the limit which is really a shock for the anc, so what does it do next? what we understand from a senior anc official is that this afternoon the party's top leaders have been meeting here to discuss a way forward, when it comes to these election results. this includes the president, cyril ramaphosa. we understand there are phone calls between the anc and other opposition parties. today those opposition parties. today those opposition parties have been laying out their demands for the anc as well. we heard from julius malema, leader of the economic freedom fighters, who fell out with the anc. together they have 49% of the vote. they said that they are happy to talk to the anc to look at possible negotiations are performing some kind of coalition government, but they want some strict rules, to create a state bank, they also want to carry owner or to institute the appropriation of land without compensation. that would concern some people even south africa but also foreign interests and people outside of the country. we have also been hearing from the democratic alliance, and what they are saying to the anc is that they want economic stability. this is a party that is to the centre—right politics even south africa. they believe the india liberalisation of the economy. remember the anc is a left socialist party. they believe in some state support for individuals in order to be able to getjobs. so that is a real challenge for the anc. but there is then also potentially causes infighting within the anc. this is a large coalition of parties, interests, whether you move to the left or to the right good cause further fragmentation within the anc, so this is a tricky negotiation. it is possible to get the numbers, to set up a government within south africa but what are the repercussions for the anc going forward? it is already in a weak position. there will be blaming and infighting within the party that could further destabilise the anc. what about people you have been speaking to, the voters, what do they make of what has been happening and what will happen over the next couple of weeks while these talks take place?— couple of weeks while these talks take lace? . , ., ., take place? there was a real feeling that this is a — take place? there was a real feeling that this is a watershed _ take place? there was a real feeling that this is a watershed moment - take place? there was a real feelingj that this is a watershed moment the country. that this is actually a positive for south africa, maybe not for the anc, but society members, people you speak to you on the street, they are happy about the fact that south africa's democracy is maturing, the fact that you have various parties now contesting for power, they feel that they can hold their country's leaders to account. there is the question of possible instability. through these negotiations, with the different parties, what kind of a government rule south africa end up with? remember, there is the interest from foreign investment. we hear of the rand collapsing if the anc turns further to the left, but look at what the vote is today. people have voted for parties like the mk, the eff, the mk took 15% of the vote, having only existed for five months, will they have a share in discussing what happens next, what kind of government comes in south africa and if that doesn't happen, how will voters view about how their vote has been taken by the country's leaders. after a week of general election campaigning here in the uk, all parties are out again this weekend vying for support. rishi sunak has pledged to give thirty towns across the uk £20 million each if the conservatives are re—elected. labour vowed to boost employment and increase support for people with long—term illness. meanwhile the liberal democrats have promised to make ten premier league games available on free—to—air—tv per season. our political correspondent ione wells reports. applause and cheering cheers, change and cheesy grins. labour are hoping to show a positive front today, with... the launch of the bus — angela's bus. and doesn't it look fantastic? laughter ..after their campaign was a little derailed this week by internal fallout over whether diane abbott could run as a labour candidate. sir keir starmer clarified yesterday she was free to stand. well, i dealt with that issue yesterday. today is about taking our argument to the country, and getting people back to work. there are millions of people who aren't in work, who are on benefits, who desperately want the dignity and respect of being back to work. we're putting our plan on the table to reform thejob centres so that they can actually be places that support people back into work. applause and cheering the conservatives are also trying to refocus this weekend, after another former tory mp said they were switching their allegiance to labour. and that's what we're going to stop, aren't we? audience cheers rishi sunak�*s pitch to stop others following was a promise to invest £20 million in 30 towns. the majority are seats currently held by the conservatives. he denied the choice was political. i'm not going to make any apology for supporting towns. it's where the majority of people live. they were neglected for decades under previous labour governments, and we're in teesside today, it's a great example of a place that we've focused on as a government. people can see the change in the community as it's happened. i want to make sure we spread that type of opportunity and pride right across the country. the liberal democrat leader sir ed davey says he is taking today to care for his son, who has severe disabilities. his campaign, though, are out touring the south coast. their pledge today is to change the law to force the premier league to show ten games per season on free—to—air television, criticising the rising cost of season tickets and subscription channels. champions again! there are still weeks to go of this campaign, but all parties hope these pledges will help them be victorious on 4thjuly. ione wells, bbc news. the workers party of britain — which was founded by former labour and respect party mp george galloway in 2019 — have launched their general election campaign in greater manchester today. mr galloway — who won the rochdale by—election in february — says the party will field hundreds of candidates. the workers party leader also told supporters he will begin legal action against itv and 0fcom for not being invited to take part in next tuesday's head—to—head debate between labour leader keir starmer and prime minister rishi sunak. the opposition leader in israel has asked the prime minister, benjamin netanyahu, to accept a peace proposal announced by president biden to end the conflict with hamas in gaza. yair lapid said he would support the government, if right—wing members of benjamin netanyahu's coalition resigned in protest. mr netanyahu says israel will continue to focus on the destruction of hamas and the freeing of all hostages. he was responding to a three—phase proposal from presidentjoe biden who says hamas is no longer capable of launching another 0ctober 7th—style attack on israel. meanwhile, there are reports that a meeting between egyptian, us and israeli officials will take place on sunday to discuss the re—opening of the rafah crossing. let's look at some reaction from inside gaza. in the central city of deir al—balah, where many have recently fled following israel's ground assault on rafah last month, people are living in tents with no running water. here's what some of them have said about a potential deal. translation: this proposal came late but better late than never. _ therefore, we hope to god the american administration and the european community in general to continue to put pressure on israel for a ceasefire and to save the children and women of gaza, because most of the martyrs in the gaza strip are women and children. translation: any proposal which leads to us returning i to our homes and the reconstruction of our houses, and the release of our detained brothers, we are with it, all of us as a people. and i, as a citizen, support this proposal. a short time ago, i spoke with the uk's foreign secretary, lord cameron. i asked him what this deal contained and how it differs from previous attempts at peace. i think what the deal contains is a staged process for the release of hostages in the first phase, and a pause in the fighting. then it goes on to a second stage with a longer pause, more israeli withdrawals, and the release of further hostages, then goes onto a third stage, hopefully without any return to fighting, when we get onto the rebuilding of gaza. all of these plans are incredibly difficult to put in place but fundamentally, why i think this is a moment we should seize to try to bring this conflict to an end permanently, is that it is one thing to call for a ceasefire but of course, if you cannot put in place the conditions that make a ceasefire sustainable, then it will not last, and this is an attempt to start to put those conditions in place because we all know that you have got to look at issues of israeli security and issues of palestinian statehood alongside each other, in order to make a deal last and to solve this problem. is the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu going to seize this, though, because the far right elements of his coalition have made it very clear they will bring the government down if he ends the war, so how is that going to encourage mr netanyahu to back this deal? i think what this offers to the israeli government is, first of all, the chance to get the hostages out, which everybody in israel wants, and it then provides a process during which you can put in place the things that will make a ceasefire permanent. obviously that will be challenging. and it is challenging, notjust for the israeli government, but any israeli, to release prisoners in return for hostages which should never have been taken, this is impossibly difficult but we've all got to lean in and take difficult decisions and try to play our part, to make this something that leads to a permanent, sustainable ceasefire, and permanent, sustainable peace. that is what we are aiming for. i'm still curious as to whether this is fundamentally different. i'm looking at the statement issued by the prime minister's office just this morning. it says that israel put my conditions for ending the war has not changed. this is the notion that israel would agree to a permanent ceasefire before these conditions are fulfilled is a nonstarter, so is your understanding that israel have committed, in this new deal, to permanently end the war at a future point from phase three? what they are committed to is to say that we are, if the hostages get released and we get a pause in the fighting, we are happy to go on talking, and then the crucial question would be can we get the conditions in place, that turn a pause into a permanent ceasefire. we know what those conditions are, and from the palestinian point of view it is support for the palestinian authority, setting out the parameters for a palestinian state and on the israeli side it is going to be that you cannot have gaza run by hamas, and we need guarantees about security and no repeats of october 7th, and attacks from gaza into israel, so it is fundamentally two twin things, it is statehood for palestine and security for israel. if that can be achieved through a political process rather than continuation of the fighting, that's a good thing. does this contain a vision for palestinian statehood? it would seem unusual that israel would agree to that or that the israeli prime minister would agree to that when he said clearly that he wouldn't. does that exist in the deal at this stage or would it be worked on, as the deal progresses? it has to be worked on, because fundamentally, a deal like this will only work if you can meet those twin needs, israeli security on the one hand and palestinian statehood on the other. but i think that, why i think this is a moment we have got to seize to bring this conflict to an end is that there is the short term, which is to get the hostages out, and flood gaza with aid to help the desperate humanitarian situation, that is the short term, the medium to long term is, can you put in place the conditions necessary to bring about a permanent peace and ultimately a settlement of this problem. one of the things that has changed that is a potential positive is that the arab states are leaning in and prepared to help and support a peace process, in ways that i have not seen before, and i think an incredibly positive contribution being played by egypt, jordan and qatar and others in helping to bring this about. that bears testament to that. and there is the other prize here, or what people refer to as normalisation but countries like saudi arabia, as part of this process, recognising israel, having proper relations with israel, as two normal countries should. that is an enormous prize for israel and also i would argue for saudi arabia also. by adding in some of these extra elements, you make that movement from pause to ceasefire, to settlement, more likely. as a final thought, can hamas be trusted here? because they, throughout this process, have held these hostages, it seems they have not said for sure which hostages are alive or dead, maybe don't know where they all are, because some of them may be held by criminal elements inside gaza, so, can hamas be trusted to keep to their part of this deal? what hamas did on october 7th can never be forgiven or forgotten. i remember seeing for myself what had happened at kibbutz be'eri, and the appalling things that had been done. that cannot be undone or forgotten. what is required here is for hamas to accept a deal that has been put forward, with israeli support, that meets almost all of the things that they have been asking for in terms of the release of prisoners from israeli jails, in terms of stopping the fighting, in terms of the potential for that stop to be permanent, without a return to fighting, and of course for there to be the chance of discussions and moves on strengthening the palestinian authority, the parameters of the palestinian state and the other things i've said, so all they have to do is to accept this deal, that was the uk foreign secretary, lord cameron. now let's talk football and look ahead to tonight's champions league final. real madrid face borussia dortmund at wembley in just a few hours. the spaniards are record 14—time winners of the competition and start as favourites against the german side. let's speak to olly foster, our sports correspondent at wembley. before we talk about what is going to happen on the pitch, let'sjust spend a moment on security because, in some minds, pictures and what happened at the final of euro 2020 will still be fresh and there is going to be a lot of focus on that today. pm going to be a lot of focus on that toda . �* . 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