specifically they believe that the pfizer and moderna vaccines were so effective that after just one dose, we should given a shot to as many as possible and come back for a second as more is available. it is an approach taken by our allies across the pobd. while manufacturer wait only about a month in between both doses, the uk extended it to 12 week. and scientific advisers there said that this would provide protection to as many people as possible in the early stages of the vaccine rollout. but the "wall street journal" published a piece titled u.s. government scientists scepkept krepts skrecht cal and that they are pushing back against the one dose vaccine saying that there not enough evidence for long term protection. among those quoted, peter marx who said that they need to be used to prevent covid-19 and related hospitaliza hospital la death. and also peter hof also said that those clinical trials found a level of one dose significantly less than what they got with two. senator dr. roger marshall fired back with one shot is better than none. here is what he said. after every senior citizen gets their two shot, applied science would suggest that we could save tens of thousands of lives which we give one shots to as many people as possible and came back for a second dose as more vaccines are available. consider this, if you had 200 phaser vaccines and 200 family members and it was up to you, how would you alleocate this? current use says give 100 people two shots. assuming that it will be 95% effective, only 100 people would be vaccinated and 95 would be protected. or you could give 200 people one shot assuming 75% effectiveness, 150 people at a minimum would be protected. much of the preliminary data is not yet peer reviewed. but it lead these this week he'll survey question. do you agree or disagree, give a first vaccine shot to the most people possible instead of waiting for both doses to become available? to understand more about the shots for approach, i spoke to dr. marshall from his car. doc, thank you so much for being here. i think that i get what you want to do, you want to stretch out a limited supply of vaccine. make the case. >> well, thank, you're right. i want to save lives. so we have a finite resource and there is a lot of reworld data that shows if we gave a lot of people one vaccine, we've said more lives than if we gave fewer people two vaccines. i want seniors and people with high risk problems to get their second shot. but we will save lives if we give everybody one shot and then come back in two or three months and give them the second shot. the uk is already doing this. so i want to give tfda the powe to save more lives. >> critics say that we don't have sufficient long term data to do what you are recommending. >> look, i think that there is plenty of data out there to say that after one shot, the pfizer vaccine, moderna vaccine, 75% to 90% effective, and that it is safe to come back in three months. so i think that there is enough day to consider doing that. but mostly i want to give the fai fda the flexibility. in two or three week, there will are more data. >> and the "wall street journal" has been covering your idea. and they quoted a senior scientist and adviser to president biden who said that you'd be flying blind to just use one dose if you are going to do something else other than follow the study shown to the fda, show me that this one shot effect is durable. in doing research, the best that could i find was alert to the editor of the journal of medicine. is that the best in terms of study or research that you are able to point to? >> look, i don't think what it will be like in six months or nine months from now. but i think that it will be sufficient protection until we have enough to get the second vaccine into everybody. and i think what i'm seeing shows that over a month, two months of the effectiveness it goes up more from just one shot. so i think that there is enough real data out there that the fda should seriously consider the best way to use this finite r resource. >> and you made reference to the fact that this is the approach being taken in the uk? >> that is my understand, yes. and i bets that yo that you wil lot of other countries doing this as well. typically the european union, the uk is quicker to adjust to things. but i come from the practical world. how do we best apply to my particular patient. in this case my patient is the entire population of the united states. but i think that we need to give the fda the ability to make some adjustments to use real world evidence to save thousands of lives. >> do you worry that if we were to go this route, it would give a sense of beer muscles to people who have already had one shot, in other words they would think that one shot has been given to me and because the he have he have kaerks i won't show up for the booster? >> this is why we need doctors and pharmacists earn curbinging everybody to get their second shots. i think that people will get that if they get that followup e malt mail, text or phone call that encourages them to get the second shot. i think that americans are smart enough to figure that out. >> and you are definitely of the opinion that they come back for a second shot rest anyone hear this conversation or read some of the back and forth about it and think that you are advocating bone and done? >> you are correct. i want everybody to come back and get their second shot. anyone that has had one shot needs to go had and get their second shot. while we're sorting this out. but eventually i think when we get to that low risk group, we can get one shot into everybody's arm and then come back for that second shot. maybe two months or three months as soon as we have a supply as ramped up and the ability to get back, yes, i want everybody to get their second shot. >> i know that this has been your opinion for quite some time. i take it that it was unchanged by the fact that president biden just this week said that by may 1, every american will be able to get in line and not long there after there will be sufficient supply. i guess the question is, if there is truly that kind of a light at the end of the tunnel, why are you still address vow creating for spreading out the limited dousage that we have. >> i think regardless of the plan going forward,vow creating for spreading out the limited dosage that we have. >> i think regardless of the plan going forward, we could reach herd immunity if you do what i'm sdrtrike. we may have enough to get it into everybody's arm, but -- >> and this is not the means or the use for which the fda approval was given. in other words, you are not using them as intended. and you would say what? >> this is exactly why i want to empower the fda to look at this real word evidencld evidence ane decision. we don't want senators make decisions like. but the fda needs the authority to have some flexibility. and i don't think that right now that they have the flexibility to use real world evidence. so i want them to look at all the real word evild evidence an if they come to the same conclusion that i do. so i think that we're on the same page here. >> dr. okay mar marshall, thank your time. and so what are your thoughts? how can you do that if is it not how it was test. >> are you saying you want them to start the studies over? i think what he said is that he wants thefda to be studying thi issue and see if resources are limited so that more people are provided some level of instead of some having no level of protection. i have a lot of information on my website and item p'll put in twitter field more. answer the question this hour, agree or disagree, give a first vaccine shot to the most possible instead of waiting for the sec second to become available? 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>> but those who lean right believe that the couple is naive and selfish. >> i quite frankly, a princess about her oppression is quite laughable. >> mansion getting netflix and spotify deals reportedly more than $100 million just because you turned your back on your family and then claim victim status on the way out the door. that is just royall embarrassin. >> it is not like the prince and his angry wife are compelling. he is weak and unhappy, she is a an opt due nis. >> she wants to be perceived as a naive manner wamerican who do know what she was getting in to. >> and conservatives claim dhag some she have known, hashry was incentive, liberals praising them for being so candid while lamenting it. and as we zoom out, two-thirds of those who watched or read in said that they have more sympathy for harry ameghan that be the royals. and more people identify as democrats than as republicans. and so here is another issue on which it seems that we cannot degree. to further discuss, joanna weiss. put me in the moment. what did you notice? >> yeah, the double screen that we all do and as the interview was going on, i found all the liberals or most was symp sympathetic, angry by her treatment, were posting things like meghan markle and oprah will take down the monarchy. and the conservatives were not sympathetic at all, they thought she should have known what she was getting into, how could mus were saying that i feel sorry for the queen. >> and so how many of those were parroting. and i see this on twitter from time to time. perhaps they saw see it the same way or maybe they have just waiting for marching orders and they see a couple figure heads going in a particular direction and then everybody suits up in their usual uniform. >> a little bit of a twitter mob mentality to be sure. but if you look at social science research, you find that liberal conservative divide reflects something that explains a lot about american politics too i think. so liberals tend to see it as sy systemic. you are looking at a large system and institutions that people are bumping up against that are broader than them. on meghan bumping up against the institution of the queen before or a debate like immigration, immigrants are fleeing these institutional systemic problems. but conservatives extens tend tt as individual responsibility and individual choices. so meghan know what is she is getting into. >> and so you see parallels between the immigration debate which i'm about to get to and the way in which we perceive meghan and the monarchy. and i guess there are parallels in education as well, true? education policy? >> sure do you spend resources to improve public schools for all students or to you give families vouchers to make decisions on their own? i think if you look at a whole lot of diffeof different domest, you see the divides. there is a systemic view and the individualic view from the conservatives. >> for what it is worth, i remain stuck in the middle with you because you also said this, in reality, harry and meghan are probably neither as callus as their critics say nor veirtuous. >> yeah, i think the truth definitely fall in the middle. and i got some tweets and some comments from people saying, well, i'm a liberal and i don't have a lot of sympathy for meghan either. so i think that things are buzz zi. but i think a that it is a really interesting how things are so joanna, thank you. and from the world of twitter i think, i go not believe that all republicans are racist. however conservative means that you follow old fashioned protocols. you don't air family squabbles and you respect elders. >> yeah, there is mixed thinking. why we're also entranced with this i think is another question that we should spend some time analyzing. and i'm guilty at charged. i said to my wife last week, i need to eat dinner early because at 8:00, i have something to do. and she said to me what, are you kidding s kidding? 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joining me now, todd rose a former 23450ur row neuro sin ne toois. >> yeah, the sebts ofment division is not matched by private opinion. so when we use our method, we see agreement. so we actually agree on eight of the top ten aspirations of country. and those include things that often we don't think of like climate change, criminal justice reform and health care. >> i want everybody to take a look at this so broken down wouby gender, income, it doesn't matter. the number one aspiration individual rights. i'm sure on the right people are cheering that. and on the left, people are probably skeptical that that is your finding. >> yeah, but again, this is why we use private opinion methods and not public opinion methods because as social creatures, we often give answers to surveys that we think that other people want to hear, not that we want to believe. so to allows to rebuild the private values and privacities of the public. >> and maybe it means different things to different people. you say individual rights to somebody who is a conservative, they think of their gun. to someone on the left, make they are thinking about a woman's body her is her own. >> and that is certainly the case. but we don't want to overlook the fact that on top of that is the general shared sentiment that we believe in individuals and protecting their rights. that is something that we can agree on even if we agree on the intensity of one right versus the other. >> i'm not surprised by health care comes in at number two and that everybody wants quality health care. but in the same way that i question individual rights being of paramount concern on the left, i question climate change being so high on the right. explain that. >> yeah, that was pretty shocking to my, i have to be honest. but here is an posimportant cass the issue is more about what we call collective illusions. we just misunderstand each other. climate change is the third most important priority to the public in thing a. >> gaaggregate, but most believ that their fellow citizens would o rank as it at 33rd. so we just misunderstand each ear. >> is it also that you take talking aspirations as opposed to issues? and by that i mean that we can all agree another destination, but maybe we can't agree on what kind of a car we'll drive to get there. >> that is certainly the case. and i think that that is healthy. that is the point of a democracy. for example, if we all agree that everyone should have high quality health care, now let's debate. is it medicare for all, something that is more market based? those are healthy disgremts that led to enter outcomes for everybody. >> and lego back to immigration. why is that crisis at the border, why is that such a flash point? >> you know, it is interesting, i believe from doing this work for over a year, that part of the reason is that there are a number of reasons people actually care about it. different values. and so yes, like we heard things that were a bit like scapegoating but then also things like national security and jobs. and even public health issues. so it is that diversity of reasons and the clashing values there that i think intensify this qudivide. >> and all this talk of agre