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an extra from the stores, the judge exiting the gag order for doldrums attorneys, and one dentist talk about court staff as firing of former president to set a stain on monday. plus israel rejecting the u.s. calls for humanitarian pause in gaza, then taking responsibility for a deadly strike outside the largest hospital there. and cnn goes one-on-one with indicted congressman george santos, his response after surviving a second attempt to expel him from congress. i am caitlin collins, and this is the source. tonight there is high drama in a new york courtroom. just before donald trump is set to take the stand on monday. the former president parent to testify before the judge, who was already finding him liable for fraud in the civil front trial that is threatening his entire empire and really has whole identity. trump is quote fired up ahead of that testimony, that is according to his son eric trump , who i should note also just wrapped up his own testimony after his brother donald trump jr. was also forced to testify this week. technically, this will be trumps second time going on the stand here in new york, and it is going to be a highly anticipated moment. there are a lot of legal issues surrounding trump of course, since he seems to get them all confused, but remember this is the same judge told trump that he was not quote credible after he was on the witness stand for about three minutes, and then find him $10,000. the judge said that was because trump violated his job order, that barred him from speaking about court staff. he has been criticizing one clerk in particular. and now there is another chapter , and for that saga. that limited gag order is not expanded to include trumps own lawyers, christopher kies, clifford robert, an illegal harbor. all three are now banned from making statements about confidential indications between the judge and his staff. at the heart of this is that same clerk. judge today admonished those three attorneys, saying that they and upholding the judge now made repeated inappropriate remarks about my principal law clerk, falsely accusing her bias against them. in this gag order his wife made another gag order in washington, that is without federal election interference case there, has just now perverted temporarily frozen tonight for the former president. more on what that means in a moment, but i'm joined now by the former superior court judge , and judge, i'm so glad you're here tonight, because i would love for you to start by explaining how unusual is it for a gag order to be expanded to include the attorneys? >> well, caitlin, i would not characterize it as a gag order at all, i would categorize it as the judge giving a reminder to the lawyers in the courtroom to abide by courtroom protocol. mature adults do not call out, name call, say lies about the judge's staff. i was on the bench for nearly 20 years and recited over hearings and motions, and trials, thousands of them, and never once did i ever have a lawyer call out my staff. but i missed us especially concerned about the lawyers, because every person before they become a lawyer has to take a bar exam and pass it, and part of the bar exam is the professional responsibility section. which deals with ethics, and which deals with conduct of an attorney in the courtroom and outside of the courtroom. so when a lawyer does this as in this case this lawyer needs to have a refresher course on that. so the thing that comes up to me though is why would a lawyer do this and so aggravated judge? when the judge is the sole decider of the trumps fate and in the fate of the alleged empire. and all i can come up with is that it is a strategy, it is a strategy that they are using when they know they are losing, and losing badly, when their ship is sinking, so they need to disrupt, they need to find a way that this trial can either be interrupted, or can be reversed on appeal, and maybe that is by so aggravating it irritated the judge that the judge loses it and shows bias. >> well, that's interesting, so you think they are trying to provoke him. basically. >> absolutely. there is no other rational reason for them to do this. and so, the judge could for example start saying things, or even using body motions that show the irritation and the bias that he is building against the other side. and that can be sufficient for a reversible error. but i do believe this judge, because he has been on the bench a long time and has likely had lawyers and litigants in his courtroom that have been separated, and had been juvenile, or amateur, and he is apparently found a way to deal with them, so i don't think the strategy is going to work for them. trial judges basically, the good ones, basically have a mantra that they follow, and it is the long of fumes and thick of skin. i think this judge is following that mantra. >> longer fuse and pickup scan. i mean if you look at what was happening today i was just remarkable because what they were so upset about what they were complaining about was the judge talking to his clerk, they were passing notes to one another on the bench, but i mean, your judge as any of that in the usual for judge to be communicating with their principal clerk who was seated right next to them? >> right. so trial lawyers excuse me, trial judges, many of them, and including me have law clerks, and these are lawyers, they are very, very good lawyers, that is why they are assisting a judge. and their role is to research cases, to advise, give opinions regarding their various legal issues that come up. so is it unusual for a judge to have a law clerk that is giving information to the judge when the judge requested? absolutely not. these are hard-working lawyers, and actually to get to this position you have to be highly qualified to even be there. so no, there is nothing unusual about it, and law clerks are an important part of the life of a trial court judge. >> i should know, i'm in the judge, what is clearly bothering him is that he is worried about the safety of his clerk and the other staff, he says that they have been inundated with threats since all of this trial him of the style began, but i do want to ask you, judge him before we let you go about the other gag order related to the thing tonight. because of federal appeals judge has temporarily frozen at one in washington, d.c. which essentially means i believe until the rule arguments, tell me if i'm wrong, that trump is now free to criticize potential witnesses in this case. >> is right. so what the court is saying we are going to just sustain that gag order that the judge issued, they are basically saying there is no gag order. and with the judges there is more of a gag order in saying that you cannot come a he saying you cannot talk about or say things about witnesses because we know when trump says things, it is dog whistle, not very well disguised to his followers to go after these people. so i am really bothered by the fact that there is a stay that was issued. but when it is issued it means there is no gag order, he is free to continue doing what he was doing before then, which is to call out people, call names out, and i believe, endangering the lives of these people that he is talking about. >> yakima mark meadows, bill, you see it regularly untrue to social, we'll see what happens in those oral arguments, judge the doors, as always, thank you. >> sure. like the former president said to follow his two adult sons and take the stand here in new york on monday. for more on what that could look like here with me as former senior investigator counsel for the jay gray six select committee. so although some of that happen today kind of overshadowed air trumps testimony actually happening in court today. but i was so interested by it because he basically was accusing the attorney general of using eric trump and his siblings as collateral damages, trying to scintilla the case, but really does matter what his role was in the trump work because in a deposition trump said, you know, he was much more involved with it then trump personally was but i'm and how does that square with what eric trump testified today? >> i think what we have seen is a blame game. we have seen it with don junior, eric junior, and we have seen it from the deposition testimony of the former president. everyone is pointing at someone else. everyone is saying yeah, these may be false, the statements about the value of properties and whatnot, but it was not me. so where the former president is saying, it is a sons command center saying it was the accountants and the judge is going to have to parse out, or any of them credible, or is it basically everyone is going down together? that will be up to the judge to decide patience and explained to those of us were not as familiar with why this would be happening, why it was donald trump jr., that eric trump, the donald trump is testifying on monday that his daughter evocative trump is not. why would not they save donald trump for last basically. >> well, i think part of that is evocative trump was challenging whether or not she will testify. she raised an objection and actually siding her young children that was why she would have been able to get away with the hardship it so that is why she would be out of order here as opposed to the natural buildup. why you have the spokes testify, i mean this case is really about the intent behind the fraud. as you know, the judges already found was called a summary junction which is basically finding before trial that there was fraud. repeated fraud. based on the documents. now the question is was their intent behind the fraud with additional causes of action? to don junior, did eric, and the former president intent to defraud individuals with her it came down to loans or the like. and that is what this is about here. all of these folks are on the stand also because it is a civil case. if this was a criminal case, you could not force the defense to go to stanford here in a civil case where unless they plead the fifth there is now criminal exposure, you get them on the stand, and that is why they are all there now patience while in donald trump, i mean himself is going on monday. i don't think he was, he was in the stand for three minutes admitted here, but he has a bit on the witness stand in over a decade. i mean, what you think that is going, his son is claiming he is fired up, but do you think you will actually be fired up when he is under oath and on the witness stand? >> well, we have seen to donald trump's testifying on that staff. we have seen that on top of the rallies who is boisterous, who is offensive, was aggressive. and we have seen the donald trump in the disposition testimony, who was little but actually more controlled buzzwords. who guessed a little slightly more soft-spoken. i don't know which trump we're going to see, i think that depends in part on their strategy. if they think that all is lost with the judge, because again this is a judge trial a jury trial, so only one person decided to present state, if they think all is lost, they may decide to go in a more aggressive public facing strategy where it is not about what is happening with the parties, but they are trying to either elicit a response from the judge, they're going to the media, their point to the base, they're looking for local backlash, something else besides the merits. i have to ask you about something else that happened today, which kind of dumped on a lot of people, mark meadows obviously read a book, trump former chief of staff, the publisher of that book is suing him, accusing him of violating the terms of their agreement because in the book he honestly includes false statements about the 2020 election. i'm confused whether this is happening now, and part of the one chapter open to the sentence in all caps, i know he did not lose. we knew that this was out there i obviously knew that he was going to make these claims in this book. why are they suing him now, and they have an argument? >> well, i think what is odd about this lawsuit is that it is based on public reporting that mark meadows has taken a different posture in private with special counsel. it is not based on anything that is published connection approved yet. frankly it is the coming of, it is evident coming home for both sides. mark meadows lies were clear when his book was written to publish, the publisher nonetheless decided they were going forward with it. mark meadows now is having to face up to the lies that he told , meaning he has got to decide and respond to this line's lawsuit, is he going to say that i was lying in the book? or now i'm lying to jack smith? and what he has told reasonably under oath according to his right processing frankly you have a publisher who is willing to accept lies up front, and you had a writer in mark meadows was willing to tell those lies, they are both now, you know, ping the consummate this. >> williams, luckily have you here to try to sort it all out. thank you. from donald trump to george santos who we spoke to cnn! support tonight about his plan to run again in 2024, and obviously press on the lies about his biography. >> which acknowledged the fabricating it. so why that? people want to know why? >> we have gone through this. of mexico, israel is formally defending a deadly strike on an ambulance as of the largest hospital in gaza city, they are also saying no cease-fire until all of the hostages are released. we will speak to a member of congress called for a cease-fire, also the only person who voted againsnst going toto war i in afghghanistan anand iraq aftfte 9/11, , that is in a moment.t. tonight israel's defending itself while also claiming responsibility for a deadly strike on an and once outside of the largest hospital in gaza city. i want you to know that some of the images that you are about to see are disturbing. but this is the scene where witnesses say dozens of people were killed or injured outside of the hospital, it is the largest medical facility there, we have spoken to doctors were operating inside of the hospital on the show, the aftermath is grim and chaotic. but israeli officials are claiming that those entrances are, like the one that was at today are being used to transfer weapons and hamas fires. they have also accused thomas of having a command-and-control center under the hospital them of course palestinians have said that is not true. the timing here though is notable, because the strike came not long after secretary of state anthony lincoln was on the ground in israel for about 10 hours pressing the government there to do more to protect civilians in gaza. >> hamas does not care one second or one iota for the welfare, for the well-being of the palestinian people. but civilians should not suffer the consequences for its inhumanity and its brutality. we provided israel advice that only the best of friends can offer on how to minimize civilian deaths, while still achieving its objectives of finding and finishes some austere assist and their infrastructure of violence. >> jeremy diamond is in israel with the latest on the strike that happened in gaza earlier today. sprinkle, caitlin, connected israeli military is confirming that he did carry out a strike on an ambulance in gaza city. now, this amulet is part of a convoy of ambulances traveling outside the hospital in gaza city. the israeli military says that hamas militants were inside this ambulance, and that they were killed in the strike. palestinian health authorities paints a very different picture. they say that this convoy of ambulances was carrying injured palestinians being evacuated via that rough a crossing with egypt where we know that several of palestinians, injured palestinians have been allowed to leave. now, the israeli military says that hamas has used ambulances in the past to carry not only hamas militants but also weapons, and they have also pointed to the hospital saying that hamas operates an underground command and control center needs of the hospital. it has not provided evidence that we can verify though to back up those claims. the palestinian health authorities say that 15 people were killed in the strike, 50 others were wounded, and this is of course raising more questions about israel's military tactics in these 3 1/2, nearly four weeks of war that have happened thus far. this strike comes just days after israel targeted that densely populated refugee camp saying that there was also an underground hamas command control center beneath residential buildings there. but international law experts raising questions about whether the strikes are appropriate, and whether they amount to war crimes, and now meanwhile amid all this, caitlin, hamas militants continued to target israeli cities and towns with rockets. they are firing them indiscriminately, targeting civilian areas, and earlier today, my team was near where one of those rockets made it through that iron dome missile defense system, hitting about 100 meters away from where many journalists were posted to watch the activity happening inside of gaza. i want you to listen to the power of those rockets coming in. and one of those two rockets actually landed in the courtyard of a kindergarten. of course there were no children at a time in school as it was not ascension, but it just serves as a powerful reminder of course, as you look at some of the damage of these vehicles in the area and the school, that while the iron dome missile defense intercepts the overwhelming majority of these rockets fired by hamas, some of them still make it through. caitlin? >> jeremy diamond, thank you for that report. morton i do want to bring in congresswoman barbara lee of california who is perhaps most notably remembered for her cause for strength after 9/11, the time she was the sole member of congress in either chamber to oppose the 2001 authorization force military force used to authorize the u.s. invasion of afghanistan and iraq, currently running for diane feinstein's former senate seat in california but intricate timing tonight, i'm really glad you're here. obviously on the strike , israel's confirming that it hit an annual summit in gaza, claiming it was being used by hamas after that request by secretary blank and saying that israel needs to try to protect palestinian civilians, what is your reaction to that? >> caitlin, thank you for inviting me to be with you, first of all i have called for a cease-fire, and this should not be mistaken for the lack of support for, and protection and safety for israelis and palestinians. and i'm calling for the end of all hostilities and this means also hamas, it means islamic, the islamic jihad, it means has blood, it means all of the hostilities needs to cease. because a couple of things are happening. worst of all, we see now, probably over 9000 civilians that have been killed, 3500 children. thus a station of violence and hostilities is crucial to the release of hostages, it is crucial to making sure that a regional war does not erupt, we know that that is on the brink, we are on the brink. so we have got to have a cease- fire and have a cease-fire immediately. smack you call for that cease- fire right after the attack by hamas on israel, you know, the white house at the time said that calls for a cease-fire were repugnant and disgraceful, and other white house is asking for a humanitarian pause. the second far enough in your view? >> it does not go far enough in my view because we have to have a cessation of all's hostilities in a cease-fire. otherwise, we are going to possibly end up losing the support of arab states. the only way that we are going to see peace and security and justice for the israelis and the process palestinian people is the political and automatic solution. you cannot do that in the midst of a war. and so,

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