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>> he said the boss is not going to leave under any circumstances. >> there was a coordinated decision to potentially try to not leave power. that's terrifying. ♪ >> just three days now before government's bills come due. >> this is a bipartisan bankruptcy. we have to take this more seriously. >> speaker mike johnson is going to have to rely on democratic votes. ♪ good morning, everyone. as you can see there's a lot happening. we're so glad you're with us. >> the top thing on the agenda is this trip for the president. >> yes. >> with a massively consequential meeting at a very tenuous geopolitical time. president biden set to leave washington and fly to the west coast where on wednesday he will meet face to face with chinese president xi jinping. it's a hugely kwens kwen shall meeting at one of the most turbulent and fraught times of biden's presidency. facing multiple foreign crisis and sharp political head winds at home. >> right now president biden juggling his support for israel's war against hamas and the escalation and humanitarian disaster in gaza. he is now saying gaza's largest hospital, quote, must be protected as israeli troops and tanks surround it. the hospital's director says conditions are catastrophic for the civilian sheltering inside with no food, water or milk for children and babies. the israeli government saying there is a hamas command center underneath the hospital. >> all that happening as the u.s. government is just three days away from a potential shutdown. a vote to prevent it is set for today. the measure does not, however, include any funding for israel or ukraine. we begin this hour with oren lieberman in tel aviv where families of hostages held by hamas are marching to jerusalem. oren, if there's one message you talk to people in that crowd that you're walking with now, what is it? >> reporter: they're chanting as we speak here, phil and poppy. bring them home now. they said it in hebrew and english. their number one demand has nothing to do with feeding hamas, it's about finding some way, any way to bring 239 hostages home, from the very young to the elderly, making whatever deal is necessary, whatever accommodations to bring them home now. we also heard them chant bring all of them home. this is the demand. we're on the freeway, one of the main north/south highways through tel aviv. they're shutting down a couple lanes of traffic here and they'll march from tel aviv all the way to jerusalem, some 40 miles over the course of the next several days. before now, they spent a couple of weeks outside the defense ministry with a war cabinet met. there they tried to essentially get attention, make it known that their priority was bringing the hostages home and trying to force the government to make a deal. but they feel like that hadn't gotten anywhere. so now they've come to the streets. if you take a look behind me, you can see the names of the hostages, these are their families here. they're marching all the way to jerusalem, and their goal is to meet with prime minister benjamin netanyahu and reemphasize the call to bring the families home, a tremendous sense of frustration over the lack of answers that they're getting. sure, they heard the statements. they've seen what netanyahu has said until now. they're palable feeling is that not enough is being done and isn't enough of essentially desire or demand to come to a deal that will free the hostages still held in gaza. >> you showed us the march from 2010 that ultimately put so much pressure on the israeli government they made that deal to get the soldier home. right? are these protesters hoping the same is true now and also what is the latest on the hostage negotiations? >> reporter: absolutely. you'll see from 2010 the family of one israeli soldier who was held in gaza for five years, they decided they were fed up with the government and prime minister benjamin netanyahu, who was then also prime minister and marched all the way from northern israel to jerusalem. by the time they arrived at his office, they had thousands with him. that, too, is the idea here. there have been some rumors and reports of progress on hostage negotiations. president joe biden spoke with qatar over the weekend and they spoke about the need to release hostages. we also learned of a 3-year-old toddler, american citizen being held hostage, the youngest american there. and although there are some options here, possible deal to bring hostages home there is nothing substantive and that's part of what's feeding the frustrations here. the negotiations largely held in qatar with the qataris can talk to cia and hamas. >> asking for their family members held hostage by hamas to come home. we'll check back with you. thanks, oren. so as we had mentioned, president biden is making a really significant trip this week. he's going to fly to san francisco. he will attend the apec leader's summit, an economic summit. but the big deal is tomorrow when biden holds a much-anticipated meeting with chinese president xi jinping. joining us now "washington post" foreign policy columnist josh rogin. great to have you on. president biden really deeply believes when you sit with someone face to face, you accomplish things you can't otherwise accomplish. and he's known xi jinping for a very, very long time. what is the best hope that the white house can get out of this after jake sullivan said over the weekend, look, we have to just reopen the lines of communication here. >> right. you're absolutely right, poppy, for his entire career president biden has believed that foreign policy is personal. that if he just gets into the room with these leaders, good or bad, that he can connect with them and make a relationship and convince them to do good things instead of bad things and make deals that he otherwise wouldn't be able to make. funnily enough, that's what president trump thought and president trump pursued a very similar strategy with xi jinping. they signed a fentanyl deal in 2019. i don't know if you remember where xi jinping promised to curb the transfer of dangerous drugs to america in exchange for trade concessions. and trump thought their friendship would seal the deal. it didn't work out because xi jinping doesn't feel that way, the chinese system doesn't work that way and their policies will not change base on this one meeting. i hear they're going to sign another fentanyl agreement in exchange of economic cooling off and i'm sure both sides will present that as progress. but it's not. and that's the bottom line here is that they'll meet for four hours. they set a bar that's so low that communication is the goal and they will achieve that bar, but in terms of solving any of the problems in the u.s./china relationship, addressing china's economic aggression, military expansion, internal repression, it's problem with all of its other neighbors who will also be there in san francisco, no real progress at all. so, you know, yeah. talking is better than not talking, as winston churchill, jaw jaw is better than war war. but if you set the bar that low, then that's not really an improvement in u.s./china relations. that's just, you know, stopping it from getting worse fast. >> which, i mean, honestly even if the bar is low to be able to exceed that, especially given where relations have been over the course of the last 11, 12 months, probably isn't a terrible thing. can you assess where the bilateral relationship is? it was so bad for so many months of 2023, seems to have cooled off a little bit. where is it actually stand? >> right. you're exactly right, phil. all you have to do is watch commerce secretary gina raimondo's interview with cnn's christiane amanpour, what gina said, it's time to lower the temperature in the relationship. speaks to what you just said, phil. it was hot, now it will get cool. the problem is that the goal, in my view at least, the goal of u.s./china relations is not to have a low temperature, it's not to get along. the point is to protect u.s. values and interests and work with our partners to respond to the threats and challenges that china presents as it rises where they affect us. so, for the first two years of the biden administration, i think you had this really competitive policy led by people like tony blinken and jake sullivan, which is we'll solve some of these problems as being tough with chinese, not as rude as obnoxious as the trump people. still tough. year three, political cycle and now the ball has been handed to the economic officials which is what the chinese want and now you have janet yellen and gina raimondo saying, listen, we have to turn down the temperature. so, yeah, they will turn down the temperature but i worry that doesn't solve the problems. >> gina raimondo went a couple of months ago. >> sure. >> i think in her position five years to go, saying it's important to be there. >> yeah. >> josh, just to talk about the big picture here. biden goes into this meeting with extraordinarily low poll numbers and multiple world crises, the israel-hamas war, dealing with the civilian casualties now both in israel but also now in gaza, dealing with the on going war on ukraine and iran's 52 attacks on u.s. service members and posts now since october 7 th. you think about the relationship between china and iran, how does he navigate that tomorrow? >> one of the useful things sitting down with xi jinping, you can talk about the other useful issues, iran, hamas war, all of it. china is the second biggest economy in the world, second biggest military in the world. they deserve to be treated with respect. don't get me wrong. we want good registlations with china. it takes two to tango. what you'll have is the president of the united states tell xi jinping, we want you to tell iran to stop being so bad. tell putin not to be so bad in ukraine. xi jinping will have his own list of grievances, some are valid. both sides it makes political sense to have this meeting. go back to their countries and say, hey, we talked. you know, i told them the tough messages and i got an agreement that things are going to get better. and it makes sense politically. i get why biden is doing this. i don't think it's bad to talk. that's not what i'm trying to say. all i'm trying to say is this is a political exercise more than a diplomatic exercise and they both get something politically out of it. but the structural problems in the u.s./china relationship are only going to get worse and i think the relationship is just going to get worse before it gets better. but you know, let's be optimisting, maybe they'll surprise us and come up with something i can't predict. >> we will take that glass half full at the end, josh rogin, appreciate it. thanks very much. >> any time. for the very first time supreme court has adopted new self-imposed ethics rules, but who is going to enforce them? that is the big question. growing concern around donald trump's rhetoric about a potential second term as president as one of his former georgia co-defendants says she was told trump never intended to leave the white house after his 2020 loss. the supreme court of the united states is only court, maybe the only federal agency that doesn't have an enforceable code of ethics. these nine people are acting as if they're above the law, making critical decisions that change america and won't concede when there's a clear conflict of interest. >> after months of pressuring the supreme court to adopt a code of ethics, senate judiciary chairman dick durbin is getting what he asked for. outlining recusal from cases, acceptance of gifts and speaking at various events. pressure had been mounting for the supreme court to act after a series of embarrassing news stories alleged that judges skirted ethics regulations when accepting luxury trips. >> in april, durbin invited chief justice john roberts to testify before his committee. roberts declined, citing the separation of powers and calling testimony of the chief justice before congress, quote, exceedingly rare. now, that the code has been announced, durbin says he's not sure it goes far enough. >> all of these are important steps, but they fall short of what we could and should expect when supreme court issues a code of conduct. the court's new code of conduct does not appear to contain any meaningful enforcement mechanism to hold justices accountable for any violations of the code. it also leaves a wide range of decisions up to the discretion of individual justices, including decisions on recusal from sitting on cases. >> the code does not specifically lay out how it would be enforced, who would enforce it, our cnn senior supreme court analyst is with us now. durbin is right in the fact that there's these lack of enforcement mechamechanisms. but critics say this is a co-equal branch. >> that's right. good morning, poppy and phil. yeah. you know, the supreme court is really walking a fine line here. it really needed to answer to the public, answer to the congressional critics, but also to preserve its own sort of integrity in its space. what it's done is for the first time put some of these rules in writing. at least told us what it believes its obligations are. but, to senator durbin's point and your point earlier, poppy, there is no external enforcement mechanism and also more importantly nothing internal. there's nothing internal that they've set up that would allow a channel for -- for any complaints to come in for the justices themselves to even air some of those complaints. so, i think that you're right when you refer to the separation of powers and the chief justice's interest in trying to make sure that they preserve their own integrity, but they still need to sort of answer that question of if something goes wrong, if a complaint is even made outside, can -- will the justices answer it in some way? i do have to say for an institution that doesn't like to engage in much of a dialogue on things beyond cases, this was a first step in a dialogue. >> joan, to that point, you had some great reporting on behind the scenes of the process to reach this outcome, which didn't seem preordained and a couple times over the last couple months didn't seem possible. what changed? >> well, i think it's been the drum beat of pressure on the outside. you're right, phil. earlier this year i learned that the chief was having a hard time getting even a majority let alone unanimity for a formal written code among the justices. but i think just the pressure kept building. there were so many news stories, as you mentioned, about justices off bench behavior. you know, lavish trips, other gifts that justices were receiving from wealthy conservatives that, you know, just raised a lot of questions about what kind of rules they do abide by. and i think it was important for them to put something on paper and the chief justice obviously used some of that outside pressure to make his case within the court. and as i say, this is a significant first step. it's just that it raises a question of how meaningful it will be and they did, at the end of their report, refer to the fact that they would be looking to see if additional steps should be taken. >> yeah. that was an interesting point that was striking, where this leads. >> joan, we appreciate you. as always, thank you. >> thank you. >> everyone should read -- >> i could keep talking. >> you know we love this, joan. everyone should read joan's new analysis. it's up on cnn.com. president biden leaves for california today set to hold a highly-anticipated bilateral meeting with chinese president xi jinping. >> this as a mass information campaign run by the chinese government to silence critics of beijing. >> i was instantly flooded with messages asking meme to kill myself. ♪ president biden will head to san francisco in just a couple of hours. he is set to meet face to face with chinese president xi jinping, that will happen tomorrow. and it comes as cnn uncovers a campaign of online intimidation that can be tracked back to the chinese government. u.s. residents who criticize beijing are targeted and harassed with thousands of posts or emails like the ones you're seeing. donie o'sullivan joins us now with this reporting. >> reporter: that's right, poppy. just ahead of this meeting between president biden, president xi, we're finding there's an online harassment campaign targeting americans on u.s. soil and it's being run by the chinese government. have a look. >> i feel really, really afraid. >> they use hateful words or threatening words. >> they will make life very uncomfortable for those who speak ill of china. >> reporter: they are here on american soil, thousands of miles from beijing, but still being hounded and harassed by the chinese government. >> i was instantly flooded with messages, asking me to kill myself. >> reporter: this is a writer for the new yorker. she's been targeted with a wave of online harassment since she covered pro-democracy protests in hong kong four years ago. more than 12,000 tweets calling her a traitor. >> i was caught so off guard and i wasn't sure if it was a coordinated effort. >> it is a coordinated effort of fake and anonymous accounts and it's called spam. >> depending on how you measure it, it's the biggest disinformation the world has ever seen. >> professor from clemson's media forensics hub has tracked this for years. it's only now been revealed that the vast disinformation campaign is tied to the chinese government. >> thousands and thousands of messages repeated over and over again. >> reporter: cnn review of court documents, social media reports and interviews with victims reveals a massive, relentless campaign of intimidation by the chinese government, targeting people on u.s. soil. >> they told me they will kill me if i don't delete my youtube. >> reporter: posts pro-democracy youtube video criticizing the chinese government. to hit back, the chinese trolls hit back. >> they cover people's eyes so the chinese people cannot see the reality. >> reporter: a vast campaign of intimidation that even employs artists to create original illustrations to mock and harass its victims. >> this is not just some guy in his basement. >> no. it's clearly very sophisticated effort. >> i'm often staggered at the number of platforms where we come across their content. >> reporter: some of the people behind this are these chinese police officers, according to the u.s. department of justice. the doj charged 34 chinese police officers for using social media accounts to threaten, harass and intimidate specific victims in the united states. the indictment is full of pictures allegedly taken from inside the special trolling unit, showing laptops, phones and other equipment used as part of the operation. a spokesperson for the chinese embassy in washington, d.c. said the doj's allegations are politically motivated and have no factual evidence or legal basis. >> yeah. they tried to shut me up. they tried to silence me, to minimize my voice. >> reporter: this gentleman spent nearly five years in a chinese prison for his pro-democracy work. now he's an american citizen and campaigns from here. >> they started to make noises -- >> reporter: at the height of covid in 2021, he organized a zoom meeting for pro-chinese democracy activists in the u.s. but chinese police officers, broke into the zoom and shut it down. >> that time i was myself even shocked. i said, what? the ccp don't allow us to have a meeting, overseas meeting. >> reporter: the u.s. state department warned that the chinese government is spending billions of dollars annually on foreign information manipulation efforts. and if it goes unchecked, it will reshape the global information landscape. >> communist party's bloodstream is propaganda, repeating it over and over again and trying to get everyone to repeat that 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