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CNNW Anderson July 2, 2024



midnight at the moment it is your home astrocytic buyer, but there are itching questions that are continuing to swirl at the second hour of laura coates live. it is midnight, what is going to happen? we have already had the news tonight that the idf aerial defense system intercepted one rocket that was launched from the gaza strip in the last hour that was just before the truce was set to expire. rocket sirens were heard in the area over the past few hours. i want to go right now to cnn's jeremy diamond, in israel, and cnn chief national security correspondent alex marquardt who is in washington. jeremy, it is now the and of the deadline. we haven't heard anything about an extension of a truce from either side. what do you know? >> yes, that is right, laura. for all intents and purposes we believe this truce has now expired. it was slated to expire at this very time midnight eastern time, 7 am local time. it is now 701 a.m. where i am, and there have already been in the past hour, not just, one but two sirens actually going off in southern israel. we know there was at least one rocket that was intercepted as it was headed in the direction of -- where my team has been position a lot over the last several weeks. we are also now getting the reports of rocket sirens going off in the town of -- which is in the south of -- much closer to the -- crossing where of course we have seen over 100 hostages released over the past week. many of those going through that crossing. in fact this fragile truce that has lasted seven days and appears to not be extended into -- has allowed for the release of 86 israelis, 24 foreign nationals over the course of the seven days. but now it appears that there will not be additional hostages released today, at least as far as right now, laura. we could see some developments, the late breaking developments that have been after this truce was slated to end, but right now, if there are no more developments of that sort, we will not see additional hostages to be released. what we will see instead is a return to the fighting in the gaza strip. both sides, israel and hamas, have made very clear if the truth is not extended, they are both prepared to return to the fighting. now we did just get an idf spokesman on the phone, who said he was waiting for a government directive, but that the military stands prepared for any development. that was just a couple minutes before that truce was slated to expire. i did already hear the noise of jets overhead, which sometimes is an indication of impending bombing in gaza. we have not heard any explosions yet, but we will certainly keep you posted, laura. >> it is heartbreaking for so many reasons to think about what could come next. of course as you, mentioned i want to go to, you the fact that there are no more hostages it being released, 80 or more, there is still so many who are in that overall tally including man, including others who might not know about. the deadline has now expired. does that mean we could really see these hostilities resume immediately, or is this somehow a bit of a waiting period to figure out if the diplomatic ties, or discussions, have truly come to an end? >> there are a number of reasons to be pessimistic right now, laura. the first is that all of the sides have been very clear about the timing of this. this went into effect seven days ago, at 7 am local time midnight eastern time. that has now elapsed. we have heard those sirens. we have seen that rocket that was fired out of the gaza strip and intercepted. we should caution we don't know who fired it. it doesn't necessarily mean it was, tomas it could have been another group. we have seen other groups firing rockets. so these are all you know elements in the negative column at the same time it has been a remarkably quiet night in terms of the noises we are hearing out of the different -- there really are five different groups that are involved in this negotiation, countries plus tomas. and i would just caution, we should probably wait to get some sort of official statement from any of, them or hope for the from several of them before we either declare this, dead or alive. we are certainly, all of us, reaching out to our sources in the u.s. government among the qatari, the egyptians, the israelis, so we have yet to hear anything. but there was a hope this would continue into an eight-day, that after seven days of these extraordinary hostage exchanges, that we would see yet another day of women and children, israeli hostages being released by hamas. but of course the fear is if that does not happen, we know that israel has said from the highest levels, prime minister netanyahu on down, that they are ready to immediately go back to the fighting. laura? >> i mean president biden was credited by the prime minister netanyahu about his role in what is happening in the last seven days. if the white house commenting tonight at this hour? >> i have been reaching out for the past few hours, and they have been remarkably quiet. i think they will surface, if and when they know what is going on. i would just point to last night as well, i mean, this is a deal that has been extended day by day. there was a moment last night around the same time before midnight, when we thought this might fall apart as well. and what we've learned, is there were several -- put forth by hamas that were deemed unacceptable by israel. the deal was, women and children alive would be handed over to israel, and what hamas had initially proposed was seven women and children, and then three bodies. that was rejected by israel, because they all had to be a life. there was a second list, seven women and children, and three elderly individuals who are believed to be, man that also was rejected. they finally settled on eight women and children who we saw released earlier today on thursday, so yesterday. and the belief in going into the seventh and eighth days was that hamas did know where there were more women and children, where they're being held by hamas, or other groups, or gangs, families across the gaza strip. but they would probably be able to come up with another group of ten. so that is what we are waiting to see, if that would happen today, and there was a reason to think that would happen, but at the same time, laura, hamas is getting very close to the end of what we believe they had in terms of women and children, and they were going to start probably negotiating for man, and israeli soldiers at which point it was going to get a lot more complicated, and there was a belief that hamas might start asking for a higher price. laura? >> i understand, jeremy diamond, there is a statement from the idf, what is it? >> that is, right according to the israeli military, they have, quote resumed combat against the hamas terrorist organization in the gaza strip. that is a direct quote from the israel defense forces. they say hamas, quote, violated the operational pause, and in addition fired towards israeli territory. an apparent reference to those rocket sirens that i was just talking about moments ago. so it appears, laura, that for all intents and purposes, military operations, fighting in gaza has indeed resumed and we'll continue up until there is some other deal to allow for another temporary pause in the fighting to allow for more hostages to be released. but as of now, the fighting is resuming in gaza according to the israeli military, and we know of course there was a report in the last hour of eight rockets being fired from the gaza strip, unclear exactly from who in terms of our ability to independently confirm that, but it was fired towards the israeli town of -- and it was intercepted by the israeli military. now, according to the israeli military, as a result of, that they are resuming their military operations in the gaza strip. i think it is important to underscore what that could mean in terms of israeli military operations, the israeli prime minister, his defense minister, israel's political leadership as a whole, has made clear that this operational pause to allow for the release of hostages would not spell the end of the war. they have made clear, what could follow is at least two months of fighting, and they have also signaled very strongly that it will involve pushing deeper into gaza, pushing south of the line of the river gaza effectively, where they have told civilians to head to. these really military has signaled that they plan on going after hamas in the southern gaza strip as well, after focusing the majority of their ground operations in the northern part of the gaza strip. that could of course mean, you know, much more significant damage, many more civilian casualties south in the southern gaza strip, and so you know we will have to see exactly how quickly these really military moves to the next phase of the war, but they have signaled that would be the case. we should also know the israeli prime minister has said that part of what he wants to continue the fighting is because he believes that if the pressure on hamas has worked to get them to where they were at the negotiating table in terms of the hostage release. if indeed we are moving to the next phase of hostage release which will involve man, which will involve israeli soldiers, the israeli government already knows those will come at a higher price. so they want to try and lower that price and the israeli government believes that they can lower that price in part by pummeling hamas effectively, and pulling them into submission at the negotiating table as well. >> it is hard to believe we are talking about human beings as this sort of capital of tehran right now. jeremy diamond, alex marquardt, we will come back to you as we get more information. i want to bring in foreign policy analyst -- right now the idea of saying they are going to be resuming these military operations, we don't know if negotiations are perhaps ongoing behind the scenes, and they are using this and some other, way or do we? what do you expect to see next? >> first i am sure that negotiations are still going on, and the mediators are still working with the parties, but right now we moved from the point where negotiations where taking place while there is a cease-fire, the situation where we are now negotiating under fire. this is a situation that obviously is much worse for hamas, and much better for israel. and i think that what we are going to see -- >> but why, why is that? i want to understand that? why is this leverage shift better for israel in this moment, if you still have hostages of course who hamas may or may not have, can't come with the numbers, and we seem to be back with the prospect of not knowing where hostages are and violence occurring in the region once again, why the leverage shift here? >> because at the end of the day what is really officials say is that the main goal is the destruction of hamas. hamas wanted to use this cease-fire, this pause as a breather, and as a way to maybe get to the situation where the pause is so long that israel would not be able to resume its military operation, especially not the ground operation in southern gaza. and right now, these really are doing what they said they would do in any case. they are resuming their operation, most likely we will see in the next few hours, the idf resuming its ground operation in northern gaza, in one of the neighborhoods that is still -- in the next few days, maybe to southern gaza. the israelis say, that the more they will push militarily on the ground, the better are the chances that must will move the rest of the hostages. >> what do you make of the reporting from our colleague jeremy diamond earlier about the idea of behind the scenes in part negotiations the price of the actual people who are being held, women and children in one category, soldiers, adult men in another, when you look at the shift in how negotiations might be, where do you see that conversation going? >> i think when it comes to men that are being held hostage, there are two categories obviously, the soldiers and civilians who are taken hostage from the villages around the border, i don't see at the moment hamas willing to release them for the same price it got in the current pause, the pause that just ended. i think they will demand a much higher price, a price that the israeli government in my opinion is not only unwilling, but also unable to pay when it comes to israeli public opinion, and we have to remember the vast majority of israelis support the resumption of the war, under the operation in southern gaza. i think maybe 60%, 65, percent maybe even 70% of his release support it. so the government and for example prime minister netanyahu, and his last conversation with president biden on sunday told him, if i stop now, public opinion will go against me because there is a huge backing by the israeli people, about this operation, so i think what we are going to see is the operation, the israeli operation in northern gaza right now over the next day or two, and then these really is most likely will go to the south. >> speaking of public opinion, and first i assume you mean talking about the prices associated with hostages, it is that ratio of how many palestinian presidents or detainees perhaps that ratio might change, but there is another factor in mind in terms of the chance for, and the exchange, but when it comes to public opinion, you can't look at it in a, vacuum there was this time support tonight about the possibility that israeli intelligence forces were aware, at least a year ago of a 40-page battle plan of sorts, it did not necessarily reach netanyahu, but there are conversations around the deterrence and prevention, and what to do now. do you think this new reporting has any impact on the way the negotiations will go going forward in terms of israel wanting to demonstrate a show of force more to demonstrate that they will in fact ensure or require that negotiation under the hamas side will actually be kept at the bargain kept? >> so first, i think that for his release, the reporting in the new york times is not new, because it is sort of a compilation of several reports that were published by the israeli press in the last two weeks. by the way, they are part of a war, an internal war in israel on the narrative around the failure of the war between prime minister netanyahu on the one hand, and the israeli security services and intelligence community on the other hand with each side trying to put out parts of the story that are more comfortable to them. but at the end of the day, we are looking at here huge intelligence failure a huge policy failure on both, neither side will be able to escape its responsibility for this. >> barack, ravina thank you so much for joining us, tonight we will keep coming you for your expertise. and the idf is saying the israel hamas truth has expired. military operations have resumed in the gaza strip. we will be right back with a spokesman from the idf. >> breaking news, tonight the idf says the israel hamas just has, expired and military operations have now resumed in the gaza strip. joining me now idf spokesperson -- in tel aviv. thank you so much for being here, today although this news is quite startling for the will to, hear what happened, how would this truce fall apart? >> thank you for having me, laura, sleeping as release once again woke up to the sound of the red siren of hamas rockets falling out once again and gaza. just like october 7th, it is the same hamas that attacked on october 7th with rockets, this morning once again a rockets at israeli population. >> and our weekly, or are you clear as to who is doing this? and why? >> the, why again, we can go back to october, seventh why did hamas firework it's at the israeli population, why did they cross over the border in massacre is really civilians. is that right there in the charter, they exist in order to destroy -- and the jewish people. that is why they did this on october 7th. why else were they launch rockets out of the blue again today. it just shows it is the same hamas and our mission is far from being done. >> has it been more than one rocket, and or there, are we aware of more than, one, 23, you have any idea of the number at play here? >> so there have been multiple rockets, they have been intercepted, and it shows that hamas has moved back into the -- intercepted those -- communities on cities, kindergartens, again, just now getting back to life after the tragedies -- it is unclear, if we interceptor those, and we resumed our combat missions against the gaza strip. >> our negotiations somehow still ongoing as -- jurors that are now? >> the political echelon can decide to take this out of -- given us the order as a military that this truce has been violated, that once again hamas is committing these atrocities, targeting again, not targeting these troops a, now i'm not speaking to about emission where they fire directly our troops, these were targeted directly towards civilians, and therefore -- in order to eliminate hamas, which just shows, even after days of truce, days where we were able to get these hostages some of them back, home 140 other men still stuck in those tunnels in gaza, and even release these prisoners, these non-prisoners, they decided once again to move into attack mode. they started this on the seventh, and here we are once again, it is the same exact hamas. these are the people we are dealing, with laura. >> so what will come and happen to the remaining hostages now that combat missions have resumed. are there concerns it is going back to around the time of october 7th when -- that there was thought to be compromised and safety, not knowing their condition, what happens now in respect to the remaining hostages? >> listen, the israeli people are deeply concerned about our hostages. imagine instead of jumping your kids off at your parents, house you job them out at hamas's house. hamas is holding a chemical baby, a four-year-old child, men and women who don't know if they are life or, dead and we have a lot more information that we have an october 7th. we have been hearing these -- horrific reports from the people who have come, home children they say as hamas put these children in what are cycle -- they pressed their legs against the exhaust pipe in the motorcycle to see their legs with a burn mark, so if they tried to run away in gas, that they could quickly identify them. this is the monstrosity of what hamas is doing, it is exactly what we have been saying like isostere deeply concerned however what i can tell you is we never would have reached a hostage deal that we reached most recently if we had not operationally pressed the military on the battlefield like president biden that hamas couldn't give a dam about these people, they will only respond to pressure. we are once back again how to destroy them so they can never committed this crime in israel again and -- >> is there any more information about the number of hostages or who is holding them? i asked them -- you can illuminate on these issues for me, indicate that perhaps it is not singularly hamas that is keeping some of these are stages -- that who is having at the table might not be sufficient. do we know if there are other, players other and he's in talks right now we're holding hostages that need to be addressed as well? >> the talks are with hamas. i will tell you why. in the same way that hamas and hezbollah and houthis in yemen are proxies of iran, misstates bonds have, terror hamas are the rulers of the gaza strip. there are small break of terror cells, and in all of those cases they are proxies of hamas. i must call the shots in the gaza strip, everybody reporter, to them nearer the governing body of the gaza strip. let's not forget, all those billions of dollars of international aid mon

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