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house. let me tell you, dream of people. >> butler's, the housekeepers, they would all stop by and they would grandma's room was like the confessional marion robinson was 86-years-old thanks for joining us ac30 60 with anderson starts now tonight are 360. >> the former president on loads and the verdict that made him a convicted felon and republicans join him and attacking the criminal justice says stem, what's ahead in his case in new polling on the political impact also tonight, someone who knows what it's like to get inside his head or to the deal goes right. are tony schwartz and how his former subject may have they'll the days ahead and breaking news, the details of president biden's new ceasefire proposal for gaza, the timing of it, and the reception. it's getting good evening. >> thanks for joining us. we begin tonight. i with what comes next legally politically and otherwise now the donald trump is a convicted felon. both he and president biden weight in today, the president very briefly, the former president at great length more than a half-hour this morning at trump tower this is a scam. >> there's a rigged trial it shouldn't have been in that venue. we shouldn't have had that, judge you saw what happened to some of the witnesses that were on our side. they were literally crucified by this man who looks like an angel, but he's really a devil hush money, hush money. it's not hush money. it's called the nondisclosure agreement. and it all comes out of the white house. crooked joe biden, the worst president in the history of our country. he's the worst president in the history of our country his former lawyer and fixer prosecution witness michael cohen called his old bosses performance today, a quote, crazy avalanche, a broken brain word manure, from a factual standpoint that often stated claim that president biden was somehow behind the trial is simply fall something the president underscore today it was a state case, not a federal case and it was heard by a jury of 12 citizens 12 americans, 12 people like you after careful deliberation the jury reached a unanimous verdict. >> they found donald trump guilty on all 34 felony counts now it'd be given the opportunity as he should to appeal that decision just like everyone else has that opportunity. that's how the american system of justice works and it's reckless is dangerous, it's irresponsible for anyone to say this was rigged. just because they don't like the verdict congressional republicans meantime, many of whom identify and campaign on being tough on crime and supporters, law enforcement, or almost unified and their condemnation, not just the verdict, but also the justice system but under joe biden, the weaponization of the justice system has become front and center in this election cannot say that this trial was anything more than politics, masquerading as justice. i did not think it was a fair trial at all. >> you have a district attorney that literally ran on convicting donald trump. >> that's a problem. >> how she judiciary chair jim jordan subcommittee on so-called weaponization of the federal government today announced it wants manhattan district attorney alvin bragg and one of the trial prosecutors to appear for hearing next month. several republicans centers today signed a letter saying they quote, are unwilling to aid and abet this white house and will not allow expedited consideration and passage of democratic legislation. and mike johnson's speaker of the house second line of succession to the presidency went on fox this morning. he said something striking given his role and what the constitution says about separation of powers between the three branches of government i do believe this supreme court should step in. i think that the justices on the court, i know many of them personally. i think they're deeply concerned about that as we are so i think they'll set this straight. >> i'll keep them honest. there's no indication this room court is going to get involved in trump's felony convictions, and there's really no precedent for their involvement either joining us now his new york criminal defense attorney arthur aidala with us as well tonight, retired new york judge george grosso, also former manhattan chief assistant district attorney, karen friedman, agnifilo, who recently interviewed michael cohen for her podcasts and full disclosure, her law firm represents him, but she does not work on that case. and there no restrictions in which you can say about the trump case. >> judge, i heard something you had said i wanted to ask you about, um, you were in the court every single day you were there for the guilty verdict guilty verdicts as well. you don't rule out jail time for donald trump? i absolutely no so on the one hand, we look at this and we can say it's e felony, the lowest level of felony, it's non-violent. we have a 77 year-old convicted felon here without the prior record. so that would all obviously way towards non-cost ration. >> on the other hand, judges, the judges waiting now for about six weeks, he's going to get a pre-sentencing report. >> they're working on now. i think i'm looking has he learned anything as he gives he contrite what we just saw? but what we saw it together there. so kinda like x that. and to me most serious is this is not the typical falsification of business records. kay said with all you'd think of them as like the average person might think was like a green eye shade kind of thing like an accountant putting a book in the wrong drawer or something like that this is the connection crime here. the object crime was a violation of new york election law. 34, 34 separate felony counts where the jury found unanimously, that new york state election law was violated who likes to rant and rave constantly about election interference. election interference. well, the guy who was just convicted of 34 counts, essentially, if of election interference in an election in 2016, that was actually close enough that the actions he stands convicted of could have turned out electron, that's about a serious as it gets. and if i were the judge, i'm not saying i would i would impose jail, but i would strongly consider it the max is four years. it doesn't have to be jail time. so you could these got a lot of range eight could do like 60 days jail and three years probation to send a message about how serious it was weekends in jail immunity, service, pick up, pick up trash on the subway. >> karen, i mean, do you think it's a possibility? >> i think it's a possibility. look, i think i just adding to everything that the judge just said is also the fact that he was held in contempt ten different times in front of this judge. i mean, did you have that in a normal case would actually be taken into consideration that well, that's all state for the fact that trump was treated differently in this case. >> he was treated far more leniently than any other defendant who would have been put in jail like contempt number two, or three. >> i can't wait to talk i just can't wait to talk because i couldn't disagree with you more why if you look at the median sentence on an e felony nonviolent, 77-year-old person with no record whatsoever in a crime, anderson, where they're not talking about stealing millions of dollars dollar or any kind of massive corruption that's taken little old ladies dealing that they were not prove it wasn't proven that he stole the election. >> it was defined it unanimously. >> if you read the jury charge, the find unanimously beyond a reasonable doubt that there was that they stole that there was election interference, but we're able to attend okay. there was an intent with an intense two i want to know how many people in the united states of america who voted for donald trump would not have voted for him had they found out that when he was extorted by stormy daniels, he entered into a non-disclosure agreement and paid her up. and the judge already said, during we will never know that, but they were certainly earned enough to have gone ahead. >> yes. and commit robbery. >> did judge the judge said, i don't want to put you in jail, mr. trump, you are the presumptive nominee of the republican party and a press president. i don't want to put you in jail. and if alvin bragg dares to ask for jail time after the first day of him being in office, he put out a memo about how soft he wasn't crying to the degree that it took, judge it drove this judge to leave the bench or prestigious position he had to run for district attorney in queens. that's because he thought crime was going with going crazy. alvin bragg said i want you to find alternative school eurasians on robbery on this, on this and now on this old man, he's a judge what i got tears in my eyes i got it done. >> i got i collect my father, break on violent crimes. you can ask for jail on this. i think i think stealing an election, right let me the judge 34 felony counts involving a crime constituting a conspiracy to use unlawful means to impact on 34 felony. let's not forget the 2016 election. i believe it was 40,000 votes in michigan and wisconsin, 80,000 votes three swing states we know through the testimony of 20,000 votes, i think in wisconsin, yeah, and we know the testimony of hope hicks, who who felt so bad about her testimony sheet sheets spontaneously broke down crying. she was the inside out path for the jury to know exactly what a panic mode that the trump campaign was in and when the access hollywood story broke and she got the email in trump tower, october 7 of 2016, and trump was practicing for the debate. they were in they were in freefall, they were in panic. the rnc was talking about replacing trump we're not going to settle this. we get we get your positions what would you think that blanche will go for on an appeal and what will they tried to focus on. >> so i think that a couple of things i think they will they will take an approach where they will try to appeal everything that they talk about all the time that the judge is conflicted and should have recused. >> what do you think is the best avenue for it? >> i think there's really there really is only one appellate issue that i think has substance and that is one that has potential merit is the jury charge regarding the thing we're talking about with the election and and what was the object crime that made this a felony it's complicated and the number one area of reversal in new york is in jury charge because that's that can be very tricky and you have to get it exactly right and uses as arthur has arthur has repeatedly stated, this is a, this is creating something out of a new claw. well slightly slightly so i do think that is one area that has some merit and some validity. >> i don't think it's going to be reversed, but i think it's a genuinely legitimate substantive issue that will be taken very seriously by the you agree with it. >> that would be i'm going to add to that. i also think i knew you would. that's that's my job. i also think whoever is trump's attorneys at the appellate level, you have to look at the inception of this agitated because that's the grand slam. what karen said, what give trump a new trial. but if you wanted to hit get a grand slam and have it dismissed he would have to go back and say, the way this case was charged. so uniquely, taking misdemeanors out of the statue of limitations and bringing the backend as felonies in the statute limitations is something that the appellate court has to look at and say, is this well, how we want to treat every citizen in the state of new york arthur aidala. >> thank you, judge grosso carefree magnaflow, as well. >> the political impact. now, some new polling from reuters, ipsos and appears to show republican voters doing republican lawmakers have been doing since the verdict only falling in line. take a look at the row in the middle of the screen post-conviction in 14% say they would not vote for the former president pretrial 24% said they would not vote for him if you were convicted felon said another way, republicans in this bowl said they are now more likely to vote for the former president since he became a felon. joining us now to cnn, political commentators from the right and left respectively, david urban and van jones. van, i mean, you see republic we can support for the former president has grown post-conviction at least in that poll should the biden campaign be worried about a similar effect you think in swing voters. >> oh, i think it's predictable first of all, let's not forget. this was not the strong case. this is not, this is not a donald trump leading and insurrection against democracy. this is not donald trump stealing sensitive documents that have it it's still in the white house ib and guantanamo. this isn't all the abuse of women cases. this was the hush money case phosphorylation of records around some sex stuff. when bill clinton got impeached for stuff like that, he went up ten points so it's not surprising that you're seeing this kind of effect but i think that for democrats should let the republicans fan and fainting act like they're acting and they won't have january 6 every day tearing down american institutions and systems corrupt but we've got to get back to talking about stuff. regular americans care about this, this case was not going to be the case that brought dot donald trump's numbers down. it will always going to be the case of brought them up. >> david and mercy are formed. president trump and his allies blasting the justice system as partisan weaponized against republicans how do you square that with prison? biden son standing trial on gun charges in federal court next week. and for that matter, democratic senator bob menendez, standing trial on federal bribery charges in manhattan yeah i think both things can be true, can't anderson? this case was kind of the zombie case. our colleague elie honig wrote a great piece that's appeared today in new york magazine which i would implore everyone to read about how this was cobbled together in a bespoke fashion by an incredibly political district attorney who will prosecutor other cases, but chose to revive this case. so i don't i don't see this happening. a lot of a lot of stickiness as you pointed out in the poll, i think republicans will fall in line. they're going to be more inclined to support trump. he saw a historic fundraising day-to-day historic in one day raised over $50 and interestingly, 30% filing nurse but are now i'll go. okay. well, they're generally don't lie about those things. again, verifying pretty shortly, but over 30% of those new, those new donors excuse me, are those donors are new people, new new, new under the polls, putting money into, into their, from their coffers into the campaign. and so if they're so motivated to open their checkbooks and support donald trump in campaigning they're going to be, i think aqueous, motivated to show up at the polls come november. and so i do think it'll be a little bit of a bounce as vance said clinton got a bounce. i think trump will, but we're gonna get, we're gonna get back to this substance here. we're going to have a debate and june cnn's going to host it. i look forward to seeing president trump talk about the issues and if he sticks to that, i think it'll be clear sailing to november then there's other oils questions about lena, where will the nikki haley voters go? nikki haley has gone back to president trump for the former president. i mean, why won't those all those people who continue to vote for nikki haley in primaries follow her lead and go back to the former president. >> well, i mean, the derrick has gotten to go with good reason. he part of what's going on now is it donald trump is pulling off this tree? craig of on the one hand, coming across as the underdog, who's beleaguered. he's the martyr. everybody's against me and kind of getting the sympathy vote at the same time, he's a top dog. he's, he's bees like this, almost like mob boss figure inside the republican party that makes everybody come and kisses, rang and kisses to and because you're in this weird underdog top dog kind of thing, and it's working for him right now. and what's going to happen is once we get further into the summer and we have the debates and we have the conventions democrats got a refocus on what we can do to help ordinary people. we are all too focused on donald trump. trump is focused on trump and sells everybody else. and so we got to get out this narcissistic trap has put us they didn't talk about real issues and that's gonna be what moves by, not this stuff. >> venue. you're prison by the way in the verdict. how how do you think he should approach this in the coming months me know. yeah. how should try? yeah. then how do you think anything but i think i think by i think biden did did find a day because used to fit biden should defend american institute you should seek to defend that jury, defendant judges defend the witness as each to defend american institutions and then move on to talk about the american people that other people talk about donald trump david do think speaker johnson, tim scott, congressman jordan, all the other electrode republicans who rushed condemn the verdict would have opposed prosecuting for example, barak obama if he'd falsified business records to cover up a hush money payment or they were all the ones chanting lock hillary clinton well, no, i know this the alvin bragg case that's a really bad precedent because to your point, what what if this happened exactly in a in a texas courtroom with a texas a really read district attorney. >> this this opens a pandora's box in the future, which i'm afraid that you're going to find some crazy person is going to pursue alvin bragg campaigned on you. no one's going to be able to have sex with a porn star and then pay somebody cover it up. now about this case is about this case is about how you file something to your checkbook. this is not about all those other things that may be the flashy, sexy stuff. but that this is about documents. this is a really boring case and it's hard and the american people i think kind of shrugged their shoulders by next week, this will be cut off the front pages until it won't begin in july 11th, three days before the republican convention. your previous guests, the judge is delusional. i think that he thinks that donald trump's going to serve prison time that you might as well just handle action that too. i the american people would go crazy, going to put donald trump in jail for our case. it's a misdemeanor. they're not put people in jail hill who are robin stores in new york. it's insane. >> you even ban would oppose that. but under first, first step act, van would be participating in asking for the release of donald trump than and then we got to go i agree that he's not going to jail anybody who says he's going to jail, paying attention the way i gets, didn't say he is going to just was talking about various legal aspects. >> said he could go to jail maybe conceivably, yes. >> by law yes, he could go to jail. he also could be conceivably grow hair it's not going back. >> i'm not sure which one i placed bets, but they look, david urban van jones guys. thank you very much coming up next at assessment of what this conviction looks like. through the eyes of the convict, tony schwartz, the man who goes wrote the art of the deal, joins us. later, president biden's new ceasefire proposal for the israel-hamas war. and how it's being received so far how long have you been tracking the value of our car? 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