hbo original series, real time with bill i all right all right. well, thank you very much thank you. very much. >> read this three that i think we've gotten know why you're excited today. >> the supreme court has made a ruling, a good ruling. hey, i got one right. i said if you like your abortion pills, you can keep your abortion pills that's right we're talking about talking about the morning after pill actually there i guess somebody was it's considering actually getting rid of that, but no, they said, look, we took away roe versus wade, but we obviously need something where we can abort a child and when they said that they were looking directly at lauren bowlby means i course there was a dissenting opinion on the court. it was delivered in the customary, usual way. judge alito's wife made a flag about it i grim pride. yeah. so they got one, right. that's good. but then the same day we find out clarence thomas have been following this story. clarence thomas takes a lot of gifts i don't. leave supposed to do that as a judge, they tally them up now and came out of the last 20 years, $2.4 million in gibson. i don't know about yeah. >> i tell you a clarence thomas has come a long way. i remember when he used to fine pubic hairs on his coke cans now we find them on christo. i mean, i'm telling you okay. >> so they got one right. and then they did this. the supreme court okay. >> so this is about guns in 2017. remember there was a vegas shooting i. stayed at that hotel one okay. there was horrible trump was president ban bumps, stocks, bumps, document bumps, stocks are this is this gadget? >> that you put on a rifle and it turns into a machine gun there's no other way to say it. it's a machine gun fire if it pretty number. okay. now there's room. so trump banded. now this room court has overturned that overturned the ban if this upsets you and your liberal don't think of it as a modifying again, think of as your gun is transitioning this image, trump ban, this trump is going to bend the bumps stocks and somehow we second amendment loving fans and supporters, they just don't care. >> it just shows it's never about politics anymore. it's just about the cult i mean, he could come down tomorrow at a press conference with blue hair t-shirt that says trans women are women and they'd go, here's a good point today. it sounds rome's birthday very exciting is that i listen to this congress or republican, of course, congressman from florida introduced a bill to rename the ocean for trump. well, not the whole lotion that would be ridiculous but yes, a part of the ocean they want to read it hey, and for donald trump, you know what we're halfway through pride month. and i live very close to what's hollywood this the gas thing i've seen of, course it is father's day sunday, where am i yeah i want to five-year-old makes a painting and then you have to be pre-tenure proud of british as his dad or except in the biden and family when he's 54 yeah i guess it was inevitable hunter biden, he was convicted. >> they had his trial and it's over now and he was convicted and i think they did make some mistakes, maybe would have gone this way anyway, but i would just say if you're going to have character witnesses and you're going to bring on the character witness who are your ex girlfriend? and your sister-in-law, try to have them be two different people but it says a lot about justice in america. these two trials have been followed them, okay, so trump was convicted for falsifying business document. hunter was convicted for lying on his gun application. >> i think it just shows that porn, adultery election interference, drugs, guns. >> that's all good, but do not fall with bookkeeping in american is not hunters hunters. >> dad biden, joe biden or president is over there in italy for the g7 meeting and met with the pope today. >> and you know what i know? joe's the gaff machine. but the pope is the one you just see this he's homophobic slur for the second time. now, when two weeks did it two weeks ago, he did it again, said faggot tree this is getting embarrassing and what's even more embarrassing is every time he says about 90 of the cardinals go, yes, your holiness but first co-host are the syndicated morning radio show, the breakfast an author up the notebook, get honest or die lying. >> why small talk suck charlemagne, who god is why do you bring it out? >> oh you know, if you want to sell books, this is the place to sell books. >> could you book your book is telling like cracking at i wasn't going to mention it, but as long as what crafted a book okay. well, okay. so i would have done that at for you, but yeah, i read it by destic you're a very good writer. thank you. bye. assume you do that all by yourself without a helper of a writer because that's not true of mine, isn't either. yeah. i mean, no to the people must write but okay. >> so the first thing i want to ask you because you are the man when it comes to when people want to ask what's going on in the black community? what does charlemagne say about it? i mean, joe biden went there last time. i'm assuming i assume he's going to come back for this election know how did you get there? >> i'm not saying you don't deserve to be there because i think you do and i think it's because you're an honest broker, but what's your assessment? how you got to this place? this perch where you are the voice. >> oh, it's not me and i don't even think i'm the voice because, you know, black people aren't monolithic i see some things that people may agree with. i think some things people may disagree with, but i think when people like that, they liked the fact that they know i'm sincere and i think we're set what he's elected officials, what these artists, what they care about is the audience. i mean, the breakfast club we talked to like 4.5 million people a month. we've got a podcast that we put out daily that does 15 to 20 million downloads. they not coming for me, they come in and try to pander to our audience that's very modest but i mean, when we're nothing without our viewers, we're nothing without all business, right? >> and they have a choice of where to go and they go to you let's not fight about how great your audience is god is good i agree with one of those statements. >> oh, yeah so you know which let's talk about more house because i know you are not going to endorse joe biden i'm not endorsing anybody, right? >> yeah. no. but that doesn't mean i'm not voting no. >> i understand. yes. but that is a way of indicating where your mind is on that. i understand. i don't agree with it. i am going to vote for joe biden if it's trump and biden, i've said it before. i'll vote for his head in a jar, blue liquid whenever whenever i have these conversations are come on. he shows i say the same thing about donald trump. i think donald trump is the threat to democracy. i think he led an attempted coup this country. he wanted to terminate the constitution to overthrow the results of an election. and i say, i'm voting and preserve democracy. so when i say those things that i just say that the sound like i'm voting for donald i wanted to show you i wanted to just say i watched her show a couple of weeks ago. i saw kim berg was up here ken burke said, he's not he doesn't support trump or biden and he's not voting. you didn't give him no pushback on that? >> kim mark my saying his name right. >> white guy, republican wow i don't remember that, dude, but i pushed back on that all the time. oh, he said he said, i remember vividly. he said, he's alan supported even one of them and i'm like, i'm not i'm not voting. >> all right. >> so i want to ask you about morehouse, though. this is the speech that biden made it his graduation. he was the commencement address residents give it morehouse i guess it's it's it's it's not all black anymore, right. because i think that's against the law, but it's certainly founded as an all black men, right? okay. so what do you think of biden's message? because it was very controversial. i know you've talked about it how would you summarize his message? and what are your feelings about it? >> i didn't even feel like, that was the time for him to even be political and he was going to be inspirational. he should have been inspirational, but it felt like it was just like a lot of doom and gloom. it felt like the worst. yeah, it felt it felt like you should vote for me because of not the sky is falling. and i just didn't feel like that was the place to meet for him to do it. i don't even think he gave the commencement speech. what i've not issued id data's you should be holding town town halls at places like morehouse college instead of trying to talk to people, he should talk with them one of the more. >> controversial things he said was he said to the graduating class that you have to be ten times as good to get a fair shot in america and can i read what glenn robbery and john mic water. you listen to their podcasts. i think they're great, said about this lottery so i thought it was the kind of speeds you have given in 1974 maybe 1984. and not 1924 mcq water, for goodness sake, can we please admit the time passes? i remember my mother saying that in the 70s when it still made sense that sense it's simply not true anymore. and we should celebrate that you agree with that. >> i don't know if it's ten times better, but maybe five come on think you have to be five times when you black in america absolutely. in 2024 and your black in america when you're a woman in america, if you're a black woman in america, absolutely i think that's i think that's as omby line. >> why? >> because i just don't think that's america anymore. let's talk about clayton clark because that has it's similar to that okay. so there was a lot of controversy because she's not gotten a big welcome there in the wnba, which is only 20% white. here's the las vegas aces store he wilson said a lot and by the way, aidl three, that's what you from. i'm from the same. okay. yeah, i know woman. >> in the wnba okay. >> maybe now. i don't know. i don't i don't follow women basketball. >> i said it last week. i don't apologize. i don't follow college. i don't follow lots of sports i've followed just the big three at play off time but she said a lot of people may say it's not about black and white. you talking about her and caitlin clark. okay. it went court getting such a big hoopla it really is because you can be top-notch it. what you are is a black woman, but yet maybe that's something that people don't want to see you don't see it as marketable. so it doesn't matter how hard i work really you think that's right? i mean, i would say the three biggest stars, most untouchable stars or oprah, michelle obama and beyond say and marketable serena williams grown vials i mean, lebron james, michael jordan i mean, come on, caitlyn clock on the tangible quality that nobody can really quantify. >> and what that is just the ability the put seats. i mean, to put acids and seats like you don't know who's going to be a draw and you don't know who's not going to be a drop. there have been plenty of white women basketball players who've come to that have been great, right? but they just weren't able to draw the type of audience that caitlin clock has. and i think the other thing we caitlin anytime you are a erase that is in an industry that usually doesn't excel in that industry, it's gonna be more of a spectacle, whether it's tiger woods and golf, whether it's eminem and hip hop, whether it's obama and politics, when you are raised that is in an industry that usually doesn't have people from that race itself in the industry. it's gonna be get more of a spectacle nothing gets some problem that this young woman, there's so many examples where black people are very marketable. >> well as it should seems to have been indoctrinated into this. they don't see it as marketable, so it doesn't matter how hard i work. >> well, that's accurate or healthy ways has been an elite for i think seven years. >> she's got to mvp. she's won a couple of championships. was he's just getting a signature shoe now right? caitlin clark got $20 nike deal already as a rookie so what do you how do you clean it because this is somebody who apparently, again, i don't know anything about women's basketball. >> but they said that she broke all the records and common college. okay. >> i mean, when people come into the league and they're like the biggest thing in college isn't that a big deal? no. because it wasn't want the biggest thing when she came out of socket line and that's where i'm from, but she was one of the biggest things you get minus talking a lot. number one draft pick and she didn't get all of that little what do you attribute that to? >> i mean, you're saying that's racism no. i'm not saying is racist. i'm just saying that i think asia wilson has a point and i think sometimes when black women say certain things, we should listen and especially her, because i'm not in her shoe. >> i don't know. but why why was serena williams such a big star? because people like that, they didn't not watch her because she was black, right? yeah. okay so where are we with? i know i'm just sitting back and observing the compensation, you know, but i do think you're in the conversation. what do you, a woman in this conversation? >> i guess i'm trying to add, what are you asking me? >> like what is the question you're asking? are you asking me that races is caitlin card success because she's only white is i like i said, i think that when you are a race that excels in an industry that raised usually doesn't excel. >> it's more of a spectacle. and in fact that she's actually really, really good. like you said, she broke the scoring record in college. but more importantly people watch are people who sit down in seats. they come to games because of her she briggs viewership records. so i mean, i think all of that plays the part. i don't know why we act like it has to be one thing. it can be raised, right? it could be the fact that she it can be all of those things. >> okay. before we run out of time, i know you want to talk about therapy. your time in it, what you think is most valuable about it, and how you get other people involved. >> man, i mean, i'm just a big advocate for therapy or i started going to therapy in 2016 and it just kinda like change it changed life because i think a lot of times me, i was a person dealing with a lot of anxiety, dealing with bouts of depression, a lot of trauma that i never had dealt with. and just, you know, sitting down and having conversations with people about it and just going on a healing journey period, not just therapy. i mean, i'm in therapy. i'm in the plant-based medicine. i'm in meditation, i'm the guy that plant-based medicine. >> i think i mentioned that to, you i've tried and auto do i've done micro dose and i've done hi owasp good, but i'm also a big proponent is just taking your shoes off, taking your socks off and walking around barefoot in the backyard, called grounding why do you think there's so much resistance that people have for getting into therapy there's a stigma. >> i think it's the stigma. stigma, you know, i think like i used my father in an example because in 2018, after i wrote my second book, ship one, which is about me dealing with anxiety and depression and going it there for it. my father actually called me because he read the book and i also had a cousin complete suicide that week. and i remember my father told me he's a young man. i was going to therapy two and three times a week and i tried to kill myself 30 plus years ago when i was on ten to 12 different medications throughout my life. and so eventually the status archaeologist started giving them a check and i remember going to my mom is saying you know, mom's, you know, that was dealing with all this and she said, i just started with playing crazy to get a check. and that's usually what they do as usually what they do, they just throw money at a problem instead of trying to get to the root of it. but if my dad had felt safe enough, they had those conversations with me years ago. i wouldn't thought i was just bugging out whenever i smoke sativa all right. >> well, the book is called get honest are giant get around let's see the most anticipated moment of this selection and the stakes couldn't be higher. >> the president and the former president, one stage moderated by jake tapper and dana bash the cnn presidential debate thursday, june 27th, nine live on cnn and streaming on macs bathrobe. >> so nasty new fast, i can drop in tab attracts and traps excess moisture, eliminating musty odor reminder her appointment. i don't want to wait for him surgery for my do patreons contraction. i want to non-surgical treatment and if non-surgical treatment is an offering get a second opinion. >> take charge of your treatment if you can't lay your hand flat, visit, find a hand specialist.com to get started. >> i was scared when i was told age-related macular degeneration could jeopardize my vision. it was hard, but taking preservation was easy. >> preserve vision as the the exact clinically proven a rich two formula recommended by the ndi. >> i'm taking control like millions of others michelin innovates on the road and far beyond my manufacturing prosthetic leg belt that allow for greater flexibility of movement michelin motion for life, you give, you give and you give. >> now it's time to get with straight talk wireless that you get unlimited data talk in tax, you get america's most liable, five g network. you get to choose who gets on your family plans starting at just $25 a line does it have to be family? 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