the west was hoped to create a better life there was a promise and america are hello again and welcome. it's time to break down the big stories with some smart people. today, we're asking, after a shocking debate, performance should president biden dropped out of the rights and if biden laws did donald trump actually win we'll discuss his not so perfect debate then stamp of approval will find out who's okay with the new higher price to send a letter in the mail. the battle is here and ready to go. so sit back, relax box, and let's talk about up first a party and panic democrats doing some serious soul searching after president biden's wobbly debate against donald trump with many of his supporters. now asking whether it's time for the 81-year-old to bow out of the race i don't debate as well as i used to what i know what i do know. >> i know how to tell the truth joe biden path on the trail proclaiming he's not going anywhere not intend to win this taken november resisting, at least for now, a tsunami or behind the scenes calls from democrats for him to step aside. there is a deep, a wide, and a very aggressive panic in the democratic party. a frightened reaction to biden's disastrous debate. first the week, raspy voice the vacant stares and to know where president biden less than ten minutes into the debate, biden forgot what he was talking about to do with if we finally beat medicare and as the debate went on, he ran out of things to say even about protecting social security, that you still have 82 seconds left, worried supporters talking privately about replacing biden at the democratic convention. >> if he wants stepped down. but using a new nominee this late won't be easy unless joe biden decides himself to step down. there is no feasible way to replace him. vice president harris, just one of the high-profile democrats being floated as a replacement but for now, she's busy plan to clean up by who's match. >> i'm not going to spend all night with you talking about the last 90 minutes. >> when i've been watching the last three-and-a-half years of performance. here with me today podcast or an author qarrah swishy, editor in chief of the dispatch and columnist at the la times, jonah goldberg new york times journalist and podcast host, lulu garcia-navarro, an executive director of the american conservative magazine, kirk mills. welcome everyone, especially curt, who was a first timer. so qarrah every time over the last few months that i've raised the possibility that biden somehow might exit this race. you've said it's not going to happen after this debate. should he dropout we'll a dropout last night, i thought perhaps i was on a plane during the debate on purpose, i didn't want to see x. >> i felt somewhat remember i said last week someone was going to fall and break a hip or someone did. so i was worried about the thing, but when i saw it last night, i was i thought, yes. then i saw him a rally today should be out. he should be out. and then i sum at the rally, unlike some of the waffle house right after the waffle house, biden is an excellent biden. today at the rally, he was very vibrant, so i don't think he's going to, so i don't think it really matters if he should or shouldn't. i don't think he's absolutely not going to split that what changed your mind? i mean, he bombed in front of 50 million people and because he reads well off a teleprompter that persuades you he should lead the free world for four years. >> no, i think he i think they were making their talking point was that the past 3.5 years he's done a very good job and i think he could make that case two people and one of the things that did persuade me a little bit is all the pundits were in panic. >> they absolutely were. but then i was noticing a lot of stuff from voters and they had a different reaction than pundits. and i just don't quite know what the actual reaction is beyond the washington bubble jonah, as a never trump conservative, should biden dropout. and willy, he definitely should drop out. i think if you actually believe the things that democrats say about trump being and existential threat to democracy then you should do everything that you can within the law and within the rules to put forward the best person who has a chance of beating donald trump joe biden, is losing right now after that debate, he's going to do worse i'm in the polls and i find there's also just the more basic question about whether he's actually up to the job when robert hur, the special counsel, said that he was too old and too it was denounced as this outrageous partisan hit it is now the defense of joe biden that he's an old guy is really, you know, he has bad moments and all that kind of thing. i don't think that reading from a teleprompter is the same thing of having to actually answer questions for 90 minutes without any notes using your brain and your recall and i i think he's not qualified for the job or to be the case candidate, then there's the question of the party perhaps acting on its own. we've looked at the rules and biden's delegates to the democratic convention are not legally bound to vote for him, but they were handpicked by his campaign. and our presumably loyal to him, lulu is a practical matter can democrats force biden out if he doesn't want to drop out of the race no, i don't think they can force him out. >> this is something that has to come from him and it has to come from the upper echelons of the democratic party if indeed that is the decision that is being made. and i see no evidence of that. i mean, i think there's a lot of panic, but i don't see any evidence at the top of the party that they are willing to do that right now they really don't have their hands are tied. there's really not a whole lot that they can do about it, but but their hands are tied. i mean, the delegates are not legally bound. they could all sit there going to have an internal coup in the democratic party to shove out joe biden. it's not going to happen. so to even sort of speculate about that, i think is it's irresponsible haven't occurred. >> let me pick up on that because i want to pick up on something that jonah's said. if you believe as the democrats for fast, the donald trump has an existential threat to democracy why wouldn't they, even if biden doesn't want them to you throw up on the convention and pick somebody who they feel more confident can perhaps ward off this threat of donald trump. >> all right, i guess i just see it in direct opposite manner. if we they do believe their own rhetoric, you're talking about the least democratic process possible. we had an open primary. he could have been challenged to health problems. we're not i knew he was not challenged seriously. there's the dean phillips person who got 1% of the vote. yeah. yeah. precisely. and now we want to have a panic convention three weeks into it. i'll also the regulations i believe they decided to do it over zoom in july. so we're talking about doing rnc convention over zoom. i can't imagine anything less than socratic than what's being proposed there. i, i wholeheartedly agree this is this is says fantasy stuff. this is good for tv. but biden's not going anywhere. i always think it's very funny how he doubted he is. this is actually the most implacable opponent trump has had. trump beat hillary clinton. did you watch the debate? yeah. i mean, were you not troubled by biden's performance to trouble like an american, i mean, like he obviously a general tendency my ideal president would not be in his early 80s, but he does seem like kind of fine. it's sort of by the line that he has a cold. i don't approve of a lot of decisions he made in his presidency, but he won the vote and he won the vote of his party in the spring. and i see no reason why he should be defrocked because he had a raspy voice last night. >> jonah, let's just play this out. if both biden somehow exits the race, either of his own volition or a coup inside the party is there a democrat who do you think would have a better chance of beating donald trump? >> i think gretchen whitmer, whatever pretty good chance of michigan, i think the governor of pennsylvania, i think at governor in general, governors of the last politicians as a category in this country that actually care about, first of all governing and dealing with a majority of their own voters and know how to talk to their voters in a certain way. >> because they don't have to nationalize their politics. do you think it's just, it's too late for all of oh, it'd be very hard. also, gretchen whitmer and i've interviewed her recently for her new book and she is a charismatic leader. she's done a lot in michigan she's brought in a trifecta for the state. i mean, there's a lot of enthusiasm around her, but frankly, she pulls it 5% nationally hey, people don't know. she'll the warning, right? but the, but the idea that they're going to get to know her between now and november or any other of these candidates is i think they know joe biden and don't like him. that's the fundamental problem. and i don't care about that. if there's like the end of this democratic party has to be internally democratic. that is an idea that goes back to 1972. parties can not normal. we're the only advanced industrialized democracy in the world. who's parties have voluntarily giving up the ability to pick their own candidates, not going to happen by the way, you democrats are fair and good at cuz that's sort of the gop's speciality. but it's not going to happen. that's it is a washington fantasy. it's just not happening in real, not as fantastic as a few days ago. and one i noticed that the person not mentioned in this conversation is the current vice president wright kamala harris do you see any possibility of biden somehow is exits this race that the democratic party's, it now stands would pass two over. the first black woman, vice president. >> i mean, they could i'm she has the best known of them, right. i mean, of all of them, she's the best known. so she would be the natural person to pick. and but i think there's quite a few cannons, there's gavin newsom, there's gavin newsom probably is her biggest competitor would be my guess between the two of them again, it's not going to happen. it's just you're sticking with it. i just i was watching a lot of the statements from barak obama, and some others and i just don't so not going to say it in public. they're gonna go to women friday. >> sure then there's the other guy on the stage that'll trump may have won that debate, but did he show signs his character? 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hitting his issues like a illegal immigration hard. they're killing our people in new york and california in every state in the union because we don't have borders anymore. every state is now a border. but even as he played by the rules and trump repeated dozens of his favorite lies. >> a relatively small number of people that went to the capitol in many cases were ushered in by the police. >> and when he had the president on the robes, he offered mean personal attacks instead of a positive vision for the future. but for three-and-a-half years, we're living in hell joe, our country is being destroyed as you and i sit up here and waste a lot of time on this debate. little-o, i think it's clear for the first segment, we all think biden lost could trump win? no, trump did not win and it is only because biden was so spectacularly bad that trump seemed coherent in any fashion. i mean, let's just look at a few of the things that trump said. he was talking about black jobs. what are black jobs? i don't know. does anyone else you know what black jobs is? he was talking about using palestinian as a slur he, offended latinos by some of his claims about the border. and what hispanics do when they come to this country. so, you know, at every turn burn, he was offensive he dug into this vision of america, which is dystopian and untrue and i think that ultimately, if biden hadn't been so incapable of even taking softball questions and not turning them around. we wouldn't be having this discussion if we can put aside biden's perfectly chorman's did trump have a good debate and did he enhances standing with voters? >> yeah. no, i think he did quite well. i think at the end of the day since we have had four years of both of these gentlemen. so much of this sort of average voters or impression will be as which one of these? katz look more like a national father and trump seemed very balanced last night, even if you don't think he's a balanced individual, i think he was very strong specifically on the issue of russia versus ukraine. he argued that he will wrap the you believe, i mean, come on saying in 24 hours he's going to have the ukraine tuition wrapped up in a bow, takes off before he takes office and you think that's a call back to the reagan pledge were in 1980 and also the stand up, but it, but it coming from trump sounds, delusional. well, i mean biden was talking about how fruitiness trying to reconstitute the soviet union or something. >> he's very clearly more committed to to the ideological fastest of the war. he couldn't, he definitely couldn't do worse than biden trump is not ideologically committed to the war going on, which strikes me as an improvement on the stems. jonah, if biden somehow doesn't leaves the race, could another democrat stand a better chance of beating him than biden does yeah absolutely. >> i mean, it depends on the demogrant. i think one of the one of the reasons why i think you guys are probably right, it won't happen is because is the kamala harris problem she a lot of people don't think that she could be trump. and so that's a backstop. you really had to get two people out of the way, not just one but i think it's obvious that trump won last night it was his best performance ever, which is again grading on a curve. but all debates are graded on a curve you it is all relative. and the census and you weren't disturbed by all the lies, all the mainland i think donald trump is a question stuff where he was talking about democrats murdering babies after they come out of the womb. i look a look at you says wrong things that any lines i'm not going to defend our trophic he's a morally, the foreign came in blinds. a lot of people picked up on the mendacious snus. >> i've heard it from normal we've been saying for months or ten years, we pundits constantly saying the laws of political gravity are going to bring trump back down to earth. and the problem is, he does not fit the laws of political gravity. he fits the laws of celebrity gravity. and people price this stuff into him and they don't care. and he did better in this debate than a lot of people predicted and in a boxing match, if one guy loses, the other guy wins and that's what happened last one i picked up on this issue of celebrity gravity because while biden had his problems, he did land a solid punch discussing trump's personal issues lead adding to this remarkable exchange how many billions of dollars do you owe and civil penalties for molesting a woman in public for doing a whole range of things, of having sex with a porn star on the night and while your wife was pregnant what what, what are you talking about? >> you have the morals of an alleycat degree mad, sir. i didn't have sex with a porn star which is certainly reassuring to hear and maybe the first time that's been denied during a presidential debate. but the question, qarrah is, is its character even an issue? for trump anymore? these kinds of i get here by true allegations, boards at all, just baked in at the beginning, but i don't think so. i think people at some point are like what is wrong with this person. i think it does add up over time that they get tired of it with celebrities. it definitely happens once they get too far down the line. they start to lose something with their fans and i don't think i don't think people find this very funny anymore. they find it sat and put that, y is joe biden winning? >> what do i get? >> i i'm willing to concede. all i mean, why is there about and losing why is i'm going to concede all of the criticisms of trump and add ten more. but he is by any measure in polls gaining before going into the bait, he's going to gain even more. if all of the things that people say about trump are true, and all of the stakes are true. and i'm willing to concede all of them. why don't the american people agree? i think they, they think he's better. they may think he's better than by leaving aside all the moral things. but i think the moral thing dick in their cross, quite, quite a lot more than you think. i think it ultimately builds up over all we're talking about anyway is a slice of the persuadable. it's population. i mean, we're not talking about the country writ large. there are people who will never, ever vote for trump who love trump. and then there's people in the middle who are trying to figure out the best of what they think or two bad options. and it might be that the pocketbook in their mind wins over the democracy issue and 1 million other things. and so the person who is trump and the person who is biden becomes less important over time. and it's a cup on this with uekert. i mean whether it's the porn star or the hush money or the sexual abuse which are judges bribed as rape of e. jean carroll. you can go on and the business fraud why doesn't it stick? obviously it does to millions and millions of americans, but it doesn't does qualify donald trump. and the way it would any other politicians seems to defy the laws of political gravity. two separate things here, right? there's the alleged personal behavior, which i think a lot of americans, if included, is mr. trump's business. and then there are his business and legal exposures. and i think there is broad distrust in this system, which should be disquieting to everyone even if they don't for trump or on voting for him. the fact is, even if biden does win reelection, the number of people that are willing to even consider someone who is so anathema to, i think my, my co panelists here is a crisis for this system. this does not have full legitimacy in the body the big story next week won't be the debate. but the supreme court and the big decision, it's making, which could redefine the presidential race. and our presidents act for years to come also, i had a contest of a different kind. the world's ugliest dog will show you the winter yikes coming up the, assignments are going off the tornado here you cannot out swim this you cannot outrun it really is a terrifying experience. it is the stuff of nightmares. >> you could hear it and feel it. >> nick eyes and my throat were buried. i'm thinking i'm going to die and i thought that was it along with earth, with liev schreiber tomorrow at nine on cnn imagine a future where plastic is not wasted. but instead remade over and over into the things that keep our food fresher. our families safer and our planet cleaner to help us get there. americas plastic makers are investing billions of dollars to create innovative products and new recycling technologies for sustainable change. because when you push for smarter solutions things can happen choice hotels is a family of brands with a hotel for any traveler you want to be. >> like number one chef, dad, cook it up a free hot breakfast for the entire family and a comfort hotel. >> mom made this i added the garnish stay twice and good $50 gift card when you book direct life is better with the credit god's on your side rewards. once available to the view, are now accessible to the many credit one bank get cashback rewards and lives large this is the temper p-adic breeze mattress and it's designed to help you feel cool. >> so no more sweating all night, no kicking off the covers or blasting the air conditioning because only the temper peta breeze is made with our one kind cooling technology that pulls heat away from your body. so the mattress fuels up to ten degrees cooler all night long during our july 4 sale, save $500 on temper brings mattresses and sleep. cool and comfortable all summer long, learn more at tebor tebor.com okay, everyone, our mission is to provide complete balanced nutrition. are strengthened energy ensure with 27 vitamins and minerals nutrients for immune health, and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein every day, more people are deciding it's time for a fresh approach to pet food developed with made from real meat and veggies portioned for your dog and delivered, right? 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kurt, how four far will the supreme court go on presidential immunity? >> i think the conservative majority will throw the president of the bone, but not quite as large as he potentially wants. if. you're gonna get a piecemeal so decision if i had to guess which is that some of it will be struck out, some of that be remanded to lower courts. and these these proceedings will go forward. i think the ultimate verdict is going to be at the ballot box, not in any court in this land. qarrah if the court should give what kurt strong, but which is basically qualified immunity. correct. is that a win for trump or is that a win for the special counsel prosecuting these cases? >> in this case, i think it's probably a win for this country. i hate to say that because i think complete immunity obviously is not going to happen. it's simply not going to happen and limit imu seems appropriate for things that you do an office you can't constantly be there's a lot of controversial decisions presidents make and there's lot of edge cases. but i think it goes back down to the court and in certain cases that are obvious crimes and are not official acts. president should be liable for. and i think that's probably where they're gonna go because it's seems the most reasonable if the court were to rule that way, it raises a new set of questions. take, for instance, trump's phone call to georgia secretary of state almost two months after the 2020 election oh, i want to do is this. i just want to find 11,780 loads, which is one more than we have because we wanted to say this is the rob the special counsel says trump was a political candidate trying to flip the vote and georgia, but trump's lawyers argue he was acting as president to investigate election fraud. so that raises the question little how does a court, maybe they sent it down to the lower court? how do they distinguish between what is an official act by the president and what is a private act by the president? so this is exactly the problem. and what i would say is catan brown jackson has discussed this when they argued the case, and she basically said, if something it's illegal, whether it is a private act or an act as president, it is illegal and so therefore, it should be held the president should be held responsible and i tend to agree with that view. my, you know, yes, of course, presidents do things that are controversial, but if they do things that are illegal, they should be he held accountable. jonah how how complicated could this gag with courts trying to decide distinguish between this as an official act by the president. >> this was a private act by the president, and therefore, if it's private, it can be prosecuted. yeah. look, i mean, this is one of the ways in which trump's behavior or damages are institutions because there are gray areas, right? i mean, like killing an american citizen is illegal without due process. but if you have reasonable belief that there are a terrorist or whatever, you know, brock obama ordered a terror strike on an american citizen those kinds of questions get tough and the supreme court is not supposed to decide cases. it's supposed to settle questions and i would it's a mess that we're into this. i generally agree with you, but even there criminal intent gets into it gets fuzzy, right? because they're criminal acts like according to some of the theories put forward by the special counsel, there's not a really good argument for why fdr shouldn't have been prosecuted for putting japanese in concentration camps. but we kind of understand, given the contingencies of the moment that that never would have happened, certainly didn't happen but going forward, it should and i probably would. so it's just messy. it's right. for instance, the phone call to the georgia secretary of state, was that the president as a political candidate trying to flip a state that he lost, or is that the president looking at? election fraud? yeah. i think to sort of lose point, you have to savage two things. was it a crime and was a criminal intent? i think you can probably prove both. you can definitely prove one i think the clearer one is where he's pressuring people to create fake electors. that's even their own lawyers did not consider that to be a public act and that can still go forward. so there's still things you can be a g2. it felt like crime and to me that i agree that goes to a chord. you in calling in georgia and you're saying find me these votes. this is not him investigating. this is him pressure to jonah's point. we're not talking just about trump were talking about all future presidents and it does get messy and it does get complicated and that's the big question setting a standard not just for trump, but the future. and it's something that the justice you mentioned lulu, justice ketanji brown jackson worried about when this case was being argued before the court and april if someone with those kinds of powers could go into office knowing that there would be no potential penalty for committing crimes. i'm trying to understand what the disincentive is from turning the oval office into the seat of criminal activity in this country qarrah, assuming that we're talking about qualified immunity, which means it's kinda question of all will this change? how future presidents behave? well, they have new concerns about well, gee, this could be considered a private act, not an official-like, maybe that's not such a bad thing because maybe that's not to dry for president they can think a little harder about what they're doing in the case of trump. i just interviewed brad raffensperger, who was on that perfect. >> i call the georgia state. i think he thinks it was grinding. i think a lot of things and that should go to court and it should be decided in a court of law, in a public court of law, which is the way it's going. >> jonah, do you think this will change? how future presidents behave or is this really just a trump question? i think it will probably change how future presidents behave. you could see a standard coming out of this that creates an incentive for presidents on their last day in office to just pardon themselves for all of their acts in office, which then creates its own incentive structure because they know they can get away with anything because they can pardon themselves. i mean, i gets these all sorts of crazy scenarios like that none of us are immune from another hike and the price of stamps, but will give you a reason you may still want to pay it and we'll do it in the form of a question plus take out your phones were about to find out if you have the world's most annoying ringtones every weekday morning, here are the five things you need to know to start your de get the news you need about as for earnings ball headline in five minutes or less cnn's five things with kate bolduan, streaming weekdays on cnn.com and max nexium 24 hour prevents heartburn acid before it begins get all day and all night. heartburn acid prevention, which just one pill a day? 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i haven't sent a letter and i don't send letters anymore. do everything online. >> and would you buy a stamp maybe the drawback london and christmas card? >> i don't are we kidding? crazy? no. you don't ever send a personal rayleigh, don't know, don't ever send a thank you. know, i have you gotten one yet? no, i haven't done anything so get that what people that's the thing. everybody's not sending letters and the raising the prices doesn't sound like a very good business to me. >> jonah would you consider with your fondness, i hope for alex drawback who doesn't like national track. yeah, there would it make you? pay to send a letter through the mail rather than just send an email or a text? i don't think the enticement of a utterback stamp will get me to send a letter. i otherwise wouldn't send but i think the post office needs major overhaul. i don't blame them for raising the price of stamps in part because it's we have to decide whether we want this institution are not and running it at a loss doesn't make a lot of sense to use and letters from time to time. sure. >> and would you i would surely use announced your back stan to agree that it's lovely to get a letter itself that's a wonderful thing. >> i won't be doing this with qarrah. >> a letter from you. >> next to the andy beauty contests for man's best friend, meet wild via i've been waiting to say that an 8-year-old pekingese, who was recently crowned the world's ugliest dog. and you can see why he's in the running with a long tongue. he can't keep in his mouth and crazy hair, which has never been caught organizers say the purpose of the contest is to encourage pat adoption and show all doors august our beautiful lulu, ru yi irna, odd wild thing being the ugliest dog. and what do you think of the idea of these kinds of contests? >> so i am a dog lover. i have two of my own, jonah and i have that in common. all dogs are beautiful, all dogs are perfect. and so therefore, i am thrilled by this. i also think anything fun like this, anything light like this is always a good thing. i mean, you know, ugly is beautiful and it's not, you can be, as they say in french or julie led a pretty ugly thing. and i love this dog it's gorgeous. >> okay. wild thun kurt. where are you on wild thing? and on those contests even existed? >> i don't really get the dog is fine. it's not particularly heinous looking and in my view, he sort of strange face, but i would say in the contest, i don't think we need a doctors, very sensitive beings. i don't think we need greater cruelty to animals like planet was a winner and i i think they can infer the subtlety of the dog meeting here. i have to say we had an ugly dog in our family and not my personal home, but in my extended family. and i didn't like getting anywhere near the door. he was ugly finally, we all have our phones on silent right now, which may be a good thing. because one of us may have the worst ring according to iphone user is the least liked tone is something called by the seaside here's a lesson now won a hater comparative, two nails on a chalkboard. john, i noticed you were kind of bobbing along to it. are you? yeah, you're nay on by the seaside. and what's your ringtone? >> mine is whatever the factory preset was. i do not. i've never invested much in a ringtone virtue signaling of any kind and that just makes me feel like i'm waiting for the people to finish their answers on jeopardy or something like that. it's one of those kind of gameshow. so i'm sure back here we go. qarrah, i would think your particular about your that is the preset that is old person in the theater doesn't know how to turn off their phone. phone tone. that's what it is. i have jesus take the wheel. by carrie underwood. it's great. >> okay? the panel is back with their takes on hot stories or what will be in the news before it's news that is right after the break. is that something you can get very underwood's yes. >> like the way up i mean but is that something that is on the apple dr. sanjay gupta reports the last alzheimer's patient, july 7 on cnn this summer snacking just got serious introducing new $3 footlong divers world might not be ready for them, but at $3 a pop, your wallet definitely is the cell provider that was breached has my social from the credit check think of all the places that can expose your info. lifelong monitors millions of data points for identity theft. there's a problem. we fix it, guaranteed icy hot works for us he makes it last held the power contrary so you can rise from pain. >> i see on their tax relief works fast and lasts the full 24 hours. so dave, can be bva get liver dance? 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>> because they haven't been around. they've been they've been slow. these are without a person in the front and so there's not that many of a but now they're going out to the broad citizenry in san francisco let's go phoenix and also due take videos of all your robo-taxi? >> yes, i do. i do. i just do that is perhaps for a lawyer or something bad has no, not at all. uh, you know, i know people are worried about safety issues as well. they should be. but the fact that matter is, people are really worse in many ways, and driving cars. so eventually these will get it right. >> that's my sort of y yeah, are really worse. jonah, bring us i don't have skynet running our cars for you, but i think that i'm because donald trump is so buoyed fairly or not by his performance in the debate and thinks he's got the wind at his back. >> that gives him the opportunity to pick a riskier vp candidate than he otherwise would. so i think that going into the debate, i think there was a good chance it was going to be rubio or burgum. i think this helps jd vance's chances. i came home with a top adviser to donald trump flung back from atlanta on friday jd vance was his pick as well. awesome. donald trump effect. but there gang we want to thank you all for being here and we thank you for spending part of your day with us and we'll be right back here next week with a special july 4th holiday shall a little bit different you won't want to miss it. and we'll see you that tomorrow on the whole story short ban was an american waters dive into the debate between conservations fisher and sharp gutters story with anderson cooper tomorrow at eight and don't miss discovery sharpening starting it's sunday, july 7 okay. >> everyone, our mission is to provide complete balanced nutrition are strengthened energy ensure with 27 vitamins and minerals here, nutrients for immune health, and ensure complete with 30 grams of protein we just want to have enough money for retirement and traveled to visit our grandchildren i understand. >> that's why fisher investments, we start by getting to know each other. so i can learn about your family lifestyle, goals and needs, allowing us to tailor your portfolio what about commission-based products? 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